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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:06:00 -
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According to a Professor of Physics at the University of California, it's the greatest travesty of science he has ever witnessed in his long life, and it's caused him to become so disillusioned with the American Physical Society he has resigned after being a member for 67 years. But not before writing a damning critique on what modern science is driven by, in conjunction with the perpetuated lie of global warming.
Here it is in its entirety for anyone willing to read and consider it rationally. For everyone else, just ignore the facts and repeat verbatim what you were told to think by the TV.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:17:00 -
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Breaking news ! Scientists can be (especially as a whole) greedy bastards with not a lot of moral qualms in what they claim to get more funding. More at 11. Back to you, Professor.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:19:00 -
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i am not afraid of manbearpig lol
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Intense Thinker on 11/10/2010 18:22:30
Originally by: Professor Tarantula it's the greatest travesty of science he has ever witnessed in his long life
Apparently someone has never been to the Vatican...
*Stands back to watch the flames*
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i am not afraid of manbearpig lol
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 11/10/2010 18:28:52
Other points of view:
Senile old man set in his ways who has nothing to lose does some crazy ****, more news at 11.
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Not all scientist are correct 100% of the time, more updates as the story develops.
I don't actually know what this is exactly about, but I've read books of biology professors denouncing their scientific work and the scientific community in favor of: evolution is a lie and God made it all. There is arguing of some kind on virtually every issue, that has even a possibility of a doubt and on some where there is no serious doubt anymore. So I guess I'm saying Yay!!! for the drama, but Yawn on the actual news.
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Dead Jesus
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:31:00 -
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Ah, the dear old Daily telegraph, it has form on this sort of stuff, and is completely unbiased.
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Lashana Wu
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:43:00 -
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Note its a Professor of Physics, not Climatology.
That's like saying a Biologist disproves String Theory.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:44:00 -
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I prefer the Onion for unbiased and accurate news Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Jesus Ah, the dear old Daily telegraph, it has form on this sort of stuff, and is completely unbiased.
If you had even clicked the link you'd have noticed the only thing they add is an even smaller preamble than mine. They simply present what this man wrote.
Originally by: Lashana Wu Note its a Professor of Physics, not Climatology.
That's like saying a Biologist disproves String Theory.
Hardly. Physics deal with every aspect of the physical world.
Greek: physis û φύσις meaning "nature") is a natural science; it is the study of matter.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:43:00 -
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first let me put this lil thing here...
/devil's advocate mode ON
there.
ok let's try to see this from another standing. Surely I'm going to sound like nay-sayer but let me warn you that I do know we're ****ing up our planet.
HOWEVER, while it's true that pumping out CO2 into the atmosphere at the rate we're doing will probably cause long-term climate changes, I really must ask if it's really that way, or if this isn't just the end of a "cold" cycle for our planet.
we might be rushing it too, I do admit, but then again, global warming stuffs has had always this feeling of being too sensationalist for me.
then again, we're really probably screwing over our planet's climate, but in all honesty, who knows?
TL;DR, true or not, global warming has a feeling of being more of a sensationalist alarmism than real science.
/devil's advocate mode OFF ---
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:07:00 -
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Thing with these things is that the measureable aspect is anthropogenic CO2 release, levels of which are proven. What is not known exactly still, and undergoing a LOT of research atm, is how strongly this compares to global processes on a geological timescale, and how large the system's capacity for compensation is (which would be my field of study).
For instance, on a geological timescale we could be due an ice age, but these cycles operate in the 100k-1M year timescale, so the effect of 150 years of massive ground-sequestered carbon burning on that scale is rather hard to fathom and predict - food for thought for a lot of scientists in this field atm.
What can reasonably be argued, is that churning millions of years worth of sequestered carbon into the atmosphere in a timespan of a century will stress the system. Opinions are divided as to how much stress the system can take, but indications are quite clear that it will at least 'budge', which would be this global warming thing people get upset about. Getting upset about it is within reason, as vegetation and global climate cycles do change quite a bit with a few degrees change. And on the opposite of the possible aversion of an ice age, is the possibility of expediting such a thing (weird when calling it global warming, I know), as certain ocean and atmospheric currents responsible for a non-frozen northern hemisphere could change.
Its a hugely complex and gigantic system, operating on timescales that dwarf humanity as a whole. No wonder its something of a challenge to wrap one's head around it
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:09:00 -
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It'll make no difference once the lizard people return to earth. Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:11:00 -
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I'm buying into whatever hoax that gets us off oil.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:13:00 -
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They fail, look at physics, half lifes are 100% constant right, o wait, thats WRONG now lol...
Please, warming my ass, the earth gets hot and cold, now see the cold part... no one talks about (as that is what matters) it is just the hot were in money is to be made from taxs... what happens when we go into ice age mode? LOL yep everyone is gona be wishing for global warming then.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.10.11 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy They fail, look at physics, half lifes are 100% constant right, o wait, thats WRONG now lol...
Please, warming my ass, the earth gets hot and cold, now see the cold part... no one talks about (as that is what matters) it is just the hot were in money is to be made from taxs... what happens when we go into ice age mode? LOL yep everyone is gona be wishing for global warming then.
Moot point, the matter at hand is global warming. Many people may not be around for that ice age due to shortage of drinking water, depending on what happens to the fresh water supply once everything locked in ice goes liquid.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus I'm buying into whatever hoax that gets us off oil.
But that's never been the goal of the man made global warming movement. All they've brought forth as solutions are taxes on 'greenhouse gasses', and when you consider very few countries are allowed to have nuclear power by the world police, and many couldn't afford it anyway, you're looking at something which is going to heavily tax all the poorer countries which can only burn coal for electricity and keep them poor, while all the richer countries can easily switch to cleaner alternatives for electricity. This is why the discussions about carbon taxes in the UN have always ended in protest and people walking out. Also, there's no plans to ban gasoline fueled vehicles, just tax citizens who use them, in any country.
Originally by: alittlebirdy They fail, look at physics, half lifes are 100% constant right, o wait, thats WRONG now lol...
Funny you should mention that. The culprit for the recent change in halflives is believed to be the sun, which has been acting very strangely recently. It's also been blamed for the polar ice caps on Mars melting, as well as every other planet in our solar system warming. This isn't really about whether or not our own polar icecaps are melting, because that much is obvious, it's simply about what is causing it, and if some people are trying to make an easy fortune from the idea of "man made global warming". The scientific community and the media have pushed the idea of man made global warming hard, while suppressing any and all information about the sun being linked to planetary changes across our entire solar system, because they are being greatly encouraged with funding to do so.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Vak'ran
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula The scientific community and the media have pushed the idea of man made global warming hard, while suppressing any and all information about the sun being linked to planetary changes across our entire solar system, because they are being greatly encouraged with funding to do so.
Indeed another good point, while the terrestrial climatology is already very hard to fathom, there is no reason to assume terrestrial factors are the only ones involved
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |
alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:18:00 -
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Exactly it is all about money, I mean how much fuel do you think we have burned in all these useless wars. And TBH, the only thing that does matter IS the iceage, water we are using up just due to how many people we have (check out the underground reserves in the middle of the USA, and how it drops ~ 1FOOT a year... why, water for food...)
The largest issue we have, is not GW, but how many PEOPLE we have.
No money though in less people, no money in bring up water usage, but big money in, GW, melting this, lack of water that. The fact is the icecaps... are useless... as rain water is filtered... and then I get it right form the ground, I do not need to care about the ice caps... same for water used to grow food... it is from UNDER GROUND nothing to do with ice caps...
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran
Originally by: Professor Tarantula The scientific community and the media have pushed the idea of man made global warming hard, while suppressing any and all information about the sun being linked to planetary changes across our entire solar system, because they are being greatly encouraged with funding to do so.
Indeed another good point, while the terrestrial climatology is already very hard to fathom, there is no reason to assume terrestrial factors are the only ones involved
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula when you consider very few countries are allowed to have nuclear power by the world police,
Not really, you can have nuclear power, you just can't enrich uranium or whatever else is required to build a weapon.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula when you consider very few countries are allowed to have nuclear power by the world police,
I would help if the leaders of said countries were not all mad with power and wish death and destruction upon half the planet.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 11/10/2010 22:28:29
Originally by: Lashana Wu Note its a Professor of Physics, not Climatology.
That's like saying a Biologist disproves String Theory.
Thank you for clarifying that climatology has nothing to do with, nor does it involve physics. Hopefully, the chemistry professors would just but out of topics involving chemical engineering, and another field of study could go on unimpeded.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 11/10/2010 22:28:29
Originally by: Lashana Wu Note its a Professor of Physics, not Climatology.
That's like saying a Biologist disproves String Theory.
Thank you for clarifying that climatology has nothing to do with, nor does it involve physics. Hopefully, the chemistry professors would just but out of topics involving chemical engineering, and another field of study could go on unimpeded.
Physics is a vast topic. Someone who knows a massive amount on black holes probably knows very little about the climate. Climatology has a lot more in commen with geology.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran Its a hugely complex and gigantic system, operating on timescales that dwarf humanity as a whole. No wonder its something of a challenge to wrap one's head around it
that's my point. due to how science can be specific and focussed in a single point, isn't it right to assume that there is a probability of we're missing the grand scale of things? ---
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
that's my point. due to how science can be specific and focussed in a single point, isn't it right to assume that there is a probability of we're missing the grand scale of things?
Well if we look at the facts:
1. We are pumping a lot of crap into the air.
2. Its getting warmer.
3. We know we can **** up the planet.
Stands to reason that we can be having a very bad impact upon the planet and its better to act and be wrong than to not act at all and be right.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:43:00 -
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Who cares if the theory is right or not?
Why pollute the planet if we don't have to? That is the question people should worry about, not whether or not we're making the planet hotter...
I can guarentee the crap we spew into the atmosphere is no good for anyone, why not try and live cleaner lives instead?
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Falcus Hadron
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Falcus Hadron on 11/10/2010 22:50:13
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Lashana Wu Note its a Professor of Physics, not Climatology.
That's like saying a Biologist disproves String Theory.
Hardly. Physics deal with every aspect of the physical world.
Greek: physis û φύσις meaning "nature") is a natural science; it is the study of matter.
Right, it's evident you have no actual training the sciences.
By that definition the fields of Biology and Chemistry don't actually exist, because once you boil it all down its just physics: particles bonding, thermodynamics,etc. Also since medicine is just applied Biology and Chemistry, next time you get sick call a physicist.
Having a physic PHD does not automatically qualify you to comment on every single science that's not in your field.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 11/10/2010 22:54:21 Physics pervades everything. It dictates how cells and molecules travel and behave as well as how mountain ranges are created by plates colliding. Most importantly in this case it has a very firm understanding of what warming and cooling is, and the processes which cause them.
Lets try to stick to what this individual actually said instead of playing the ad hominem game in an attempt to duck the issue. If he doesn't know what he's talking about, then it should be easy to prove his words wrong, right?
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Falcus Hadron
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Falcus Hadron on 11/10/2010 22:55:40
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Physics pervades everything. It dictates how cells and molecules travel and behave as well as how mountain ranges are created by plates colliding. Most importantly in this case it has a very firm understanding of what warming and cooling is, and the processes which cause them.
Lets try to stick to what this individual actually said instead of playing the ad hominem game.
aside from the first line, that was not an ad hominen.
But, ill restate the argument
By your definition, EvE is just magnetic fields and electrons on a server in London. Physics pervades how the circuits and switches work. A physicist can describe the electromagnetic forces, so he therefore understands how to play EvE. That's absurd, emergent complexity means that once you get to a certain point, you'll have left his field, and entered another field. One that is staffed with people actually trained in climatology.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.11 22:57:00 -
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You're trying to dismiss what he said because of who he is. That is an ad hominem.
If you can't argue anything he said then just be quiet.
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