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Maggee Q
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:01:00 -
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What's a good formula for paying couriers? Any good client tools out there?
I imagine it's a combination of security, jumps, cargo space, and collateral required
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 12/10/2010 07:11:31
500k for industrial-sized, 1m for freighter-sized. Gets picked up within a day or two. Double that for delivery in a few hours.
Edit: No, that is not per jump.
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Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:20:00 -
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I'm using 200k*jumps and they are getting moved pretty fast (be it freighter or industrial, doesn't matter) so i may be paying to much. As for collateral, value of items * 125%
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Ambo
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:33:00 -
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I originally wrote EMMA specifically for creating my courier contracts.
I can't remember the formula I used but it's all very customisable. Certainly worth a look if you use a lot of courier contracts. You can download the installer from googlecode (If you have an problems or questions, the thread is almost permanently on the first page of this forum)
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.12 08:50:00 -
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The "proper formula" is "how much would this courier have to pay to have me bother moving it myself", then divide that number by 3 or even 5.
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Jasper Grimpkin
Trader's Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jasper Grimpkin on 12/10/2010 10:40:35
Edited by: Jasper Grimpkin on 12/10/2010 10:39:53
5%-20% of the profit made, depending on generosity at time of setting contract.
edit: potential profit made
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 11:10:00 -
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I generally offer 15 mil per contract that usually has less than 30k m3 and 14-18 jumps through high sec. If it gets there within an hour of being accepted, the person will get a 5-10 mil bonus.
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Biruni Khan
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Posted - 2010.10.12 11:25:00 -
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It depends.
I'll either do 0.5% - 1.0% of collateral or just use the RF Freight trip calculator and put their fee up on the public contract. Of course, things change when you're going through lowsec.
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Tonde Monai
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Posted - 2010.10.12 12:27:00 -
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I usually have less than freighter-sized shipments, so I'll generally take the total m3/880k, and use that percentage of the Red Frog rate-- if it's something that I would like delivered soon. That will get it delivered in less than 12 hours which is fine with me.
If it can wait several days then just take a wild guess-- some couriers just don't value their time.
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:46:00 -
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You would be shocked at how little you can pay under the right circumstances.
I once setup four or five separate contracts along a seven jump pipe to a trade-hub. The total reward was less than 2M isk, and the collateral totaled approximately 1B. That's a reward of 0.2% the collateral. With seven jumps. And multiple pick-ups. The set was completed within three or four days. I'm pretty satisfied with that, so I won't try pushing any further. :)
(One thing in my favor was that the contracts would have fit in any ship, and the character I used to create them had a nice contract history.)
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Valemora
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:56:00 -
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I used to pay newbs about 5isk per m3 moved.....yea im that cheap, but it gets done.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.12 15:58:00 -
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((ReasonableSallary/10)*JumpsFromJita)/Collatoral.
Couriers accept everything. You could put a contract up with a reward of "Will **** directly into your eyesocket" and it would be run in a day or two.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:14:00 -
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Simplify your life. Use Red Frog. Check out our Trip Calculator and FAQ.
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Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Mutant Caldari
I generally offer 15 mil per contract that usually has less than 30k m3 and 14-18 jumps through high sec. If it gets there within an hour of being accepted, the person will get a 5-10 mil bonus.
I bet people are jumping head over heels for your contracts then.
I usually pay 3m for trips across 15-25 jumps. 1% or less of collateral from hub-to-hub generally works for me.
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz
Simplify your life. Use Red Frog. Check out our Trip Calculator and FAQ.
Red Frog is far too expensive if you're in a highly trafficked area and aren't shipping full freighter loads. Otherwise, it's a well organized service.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.12 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Whettam
Red Frog is far too expensive if you're in a highly trafficked area and aren't shipping full freighter loads. Otherwise, it's a well organized service.
Actually we're quite cheap overall. Its true that the larger and more valuable the cargo is, the better the value for our clients. However, we transport blueprints and other small, expensive items frequently.
We're also one of Ten Ton Hammer's 4 Most Helpful Corporations in EVE.
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Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
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Posted - 2010.10.13 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz
We're also one of Ten Ton Hammer's 4 Most Helpful Corporations in EVE.
Not to bash, but those other corps provide something that cannot be done through existing game mechanics. For example, you cannot place Titans and Motherships or jumpclones on the market, whereas you can place courier contracts up on the open contract market.
If Red Frog had some ability to move contracts through low or NPC Nullsec, that would be something it's damn hard to get elsewhere, but there's so many highsec haulers you can literally put contracts out there for 1/4 of the RF price and people will jump all over them. I'm usually a little more lax in my speed requirements though.
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Phyllobates Terribilis
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Phyllobates Terribilis on 13/10/2010 07:51:05
Originally by: Scott McClellan
If Red Frog had some ability to move contracts through low or NPC Nullsec, that would be something it's damn hard to get elsewhere.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:46:00 -
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I paid 5mil on a 250m collateral (~100m actual cargo value) courier from Jita to Ihak (9 jumps, 8 highsec and 1 piraty .4) took a few days but it got taken and completed.
anything to or from jita can usually be done for a 1m or less reward.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maggee Q
What's a good formula for paying couriers? Any good client tools out there?
I imagine it's a combination of security, jumps, cargo space, and collateral required
Plus source and destination, time available on your side and further effort to set up multiple contracts.
One interesting lesson I learned: It can be faster and cheaper to route stuff via multiple major trade hops to its final destination than to set up a single contract source->destination.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
It can be faster and cheaper to route stuff via multiple major trade hops to its final destination than to set up a single contract source->destination.
This!
No one wants to go out of the way to somewhere else out of the way. However locals will pick it up and take it to/from the nearest hub when they make a trip and hub to hub couriers get filled in minutes usually.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.10.13 18:26:00 -
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I've had a 37 jump 650,000m3 contract with 1.5B Collateral, and a 1mil reward and it was completed, only took two days. I was expecting it to take a week but was surprised it was so short.
Make it whatever you think you'd move that stuff for, then remove the last digit. It'll get moved eventually
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Jita's Secure Credit and Assets Management
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:56:00 -
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I don't set any reward, I got people working for me for free
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Yavanna Akallabeth
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Posted - 2010.10.14 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
I don't set any reward, I got people working for me for free
BS
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.10.14 07:23:00 -
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When setting prices, imagine for a moment that those you deal with are humans.
*Looks at Amarrians* 
Or ...deal with Amarrians. 
If the package can be stacked with others (ie no 780km3 wagons) and sits at a major hub then it'll go off for almost any reward. Collateral does not count till it jumps above 1 - 1.5B
If the package is large, high collateral or source / destination are in the butt of nowhere then pay more or expect delays. Or have local couriers bring it to a major hub and then have others deliver it off there.
If the package is large or high collateral also expect that people could have priorities over it.
IE assuming average collateral, if I had to earn 1M @750km3 or there are 3 contracts totalling 750km3 but whose total reward exceeds 1M then they will be taken.
For those that want stuff delivered fast, it's easy:
1) Put in the comment that you'll reward XXX ISK if package is delivered by HH:MM and be online to talk with the courier.
A little note: I had people setting 40+ jumps contracts for 300k m3 but rewarding only if completed in 1 hour. Not going to happen.
2) Pay more (!)
There is fierce competition to grab the few decent contracts, if your stands out even by a little, it'll be taken asap.
3) Take pre-agreements with them. I used to transport stuff for a guy who every day at a certain time had 47km3 to carry, always from A to B. He had zero downtime since I'd be in A on time.
The pre-agreement works well also in case you have routine needs and you can even get discounts.
Finally, there's a dedicated chat for hauling (one of the "Legit XXX" ones where scams are not allowed and there may be haulers waiting for work. Some like Raging Taurus will take jobs to low / 0.0 sec too.
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