| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
111
   |
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:40:00 -
[1] - Quote
In light of the proposed gate gun changes to eliminate gate camping to make lo sec easier to enter, I wish to share a parable.
There once lived 3 hi seccers who wanted to venture into lo sec to reap the rich rewards.
The fist hi seccer fit a drake with no prop mod, pure PVE fit, and blindly jumped into Tama.
Pirate Camp: "Welcome to Tama! A fiery death awaits you"
Hi Seccer #1: *stunned silence*
The hi seccer decloaks and is nailed by the gate camp with no chance to run. He quietly leaves.
The second hi seccer noticed that his trade route had a shortcut saving 7 jumps if he went through Tama. He fit his badger II with max cargo expanders and no tank and blind jumped the Tama gate.
Pirate Camp: "Welcome to Tama! A fiery death awaits you"
Hi Seccer #2: "Not on my watch!" *begins to align out*
But he doesn't warp fast enough and is nailed by the gate camp.
The third hi seccer fit noticed how he could make billions by doing DED sites in lo sec. He did some research and fit a PVE tengu with a cloaking device in case a hostile entered local. He used a friend/alt to pre-scout the gate in a shuttle to verify it was safe. He even checked the map to look for where the pirates were camping and opted to enter lo sec via Ikoskio instead of Tama.
He safely farmed his way to riches because he played smart, and Darwin rewards those who adapt to the challenge of their environment. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
601
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:42:00 -
[2] - Quote
If he had fit, cargo expanders and MLUs this never would have happened.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
617
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:45:00 -
[3] - Quote
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:He safely farmed his way to riches because he played smart, and Darwin rewards those who adapt to the challenge of their environment.
Isn't Charles Darwin dead? Wouldn't EVE be the one rewarding people who play smart and adapt to challenges that their environments place on them.
Also, the proposed Gate Gun mechanics are silly. They simply encourage more blobbing, and make even Freighters safe if the camp isn't big enough.
LS is not HS. We don't need Illegal LS PvP to be determined by the same kind of DPS race against the clock that Suicide ganks are.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Shukuzen Kiraa
Neurodyne
184
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:51:00 -
[4] - Quote
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:In light of the proposed gate gun changes to eliminate gate camping to make lo sec easier to enter, I wish to share a parable.
There once lived 3 hi seccers who wanted to venture into lo sec to reap the rich rewards.
The fist hi seccer fit a drake with no prop mod, pure PVE fit, and blindly jumped into Tama.
Pirate Camp: "Welcome to Tama! A fiery death awaits you"
Hi Seccer #1: *stunned silence*
The hi seccer decloaks and is nailed by the gate camp with no chance to run. He quietly leaves.
The second hi seccer noticed that his trade route had a shortcut saving 7 jumps if he went through Tama. He fit his badger II with max cargo expanders and no tank and blind jumped the Tama gate.
Pirate Camp: "Welcome to Tama! A fiery death awaits you"
Hi Seccer #2: "Not on my watch!" *begins to align out*
But he doesn't warp fast enough and is nailed by the gate camp.
The third hi seccer fit noticed how he could make billions by doing DED sites in lo sec. He did some research and fit a PVE tengu with a cloaking device in case a hostile entered local. He used a friend/alt to pre-scout the gate in a shuttle to verify it was safe. He even checked the map to look for where the pirates were camping and opted to enter lo sec via Ikoskio instead of Tama.
He safely farmed his way to riches because he played smart, and Darwin rewards those who adapt to the challenge of their environment.
I find it more fitting to the universe of EVE that criminals get shot at by gate guns. But they should only do so at gates that lead into high sec, then those who love to gate camp can still do so at gates that lead into other low sec systems or null sec. Doesn't really make sense to have guns at those ones anyway. Personally I think they should have NPC navy ships randomly patrol lowsec gates that connect to high sec. Killable of course but enough of an issue to be a bother to criminals.
I don't think it's right that a battleship can sit on a gate and tank the guns forever while smartbombing everyone who passes by. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
478
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:52:00 -
[5] - Quote
I don't get it. What is this 'lo-sec' of which you speak? |
Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:54:00 -
[6] - Quote
I like how each gate camper needs their own thread to complain about this idea mentioned in the minutes.
|
Shukuzen Kiraa
Neurodyne
184
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 03:55:00 -
[7] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote:I don't get it. What is this 'lo-sec' of which you speak?
There are no untanked barges for you to kill there...so don't worry about it. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
72
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 04:38:00 -
[8] - Quote
0/10
IBTL
HTFU
GTFO. |
Bunolagus
NIPTO
7
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 04:43:00 -
[9] - Quote
Where is the sec in lowsec? What does low signify? It appears there are those who would like to turn lowsec into nullsec for people without a hundred friends. I would like to see the gate guns strong enough to prevent any gate camping. |
Natasha Mendel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
23
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 04:46:00 -
[10] - Quote
Indeed. |
|
|
Jonah Gravenstein
689
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 04:54:00 -
[11] - Quote
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:I don't get it. What is this 'lo-sec' of which you speak? There are no untanked barges for you to kill there...so don't worry about it.
BURN!!
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
stoicfaux
1388
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 04:59:00 -
[12] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote:I don't get it. What is this 'lo-sec' of which you speak?
It's a soon to be Trader's paradise, full of new markets now that there's some security against mindless gate camping. Plus, mission runners, site scanners, Planeteers, and I-wanna-own-a-cap peoples will also start migrating there in greater numbers.
It should be interesting.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|
Jonah Gravenstein
690
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:19:00 -
[13] - Quote
If gatecamps become more difficult to do, there may be an increase in traffic through losec, more traffic means more targets customers to be taken advantage of, but only if hisec dwellers realise that losec can be considerably more rewarding than hisec albeit with an increase in risk of dying.
As it is at the moment most hisec dwellers stay out of losec because going there is pretty much akin visiting a shooting range while wearing a target on your back, you're pretty much guaranteed to die unless you're really really on top of your game
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
Windowlicking Ninja Turtles
54
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:19:00 -
[14] - Quote
Well well makeing low sec gate camping more of a pain i see why there doing it thou.
yes that gate is in low sec but leads to high sec those gates should have more fire power the other low sec gates.
you low sec'ers cry about how next to no one like low sec well look at yourself for that reason. Whats the point of jumping in when there a good shot of buttclown's camping a gate for easy kills.
Yes yes "use a cloak" that what you like to say but when people start useing more ships with out cloaks you get better fights.
personaly gate camping low sec gate leading to high just shows me one thing you suck and if you -10 on gate your going to get your ship shot full of wholes hahahahah. That -10 standing going to start hurting you now aint it.
|
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
34
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:27:00 -
[15] - Quote
Herr Wilkus wrote:I don't get it. What is this 'lo-sec' of which you speak?
apparently it has been renovated so as to look just like hihgsec only with less missions, less players and now less reason to live there. Gee I hope that was the goal of this patch. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1552
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:37:00 -
[16] - Quote
i can't wait till 2-man gatecamps are replaced by sentry carriers repping and assisting an instalocking HIC
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pipa Porto
618
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:42:00 -
[17] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait till 2-man gatecamps are replaced by sentry carriers repping and assisting an instalocking HIC
And a Dram can do the DPS needed to knock the balance over to the Gate guns killing the Carriers.
"4.5m until the DPS can kill a Triage Carrier" 
Whaddya wanna bet they're not gonna let you just snipe from 151km.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1552
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:53:00 -
[18] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait till 2-man gatecamps are replaced by sentry carriers repping and assisting an instalocking HIC And a Dram can do the DPS needed to knock the balance over to the Gate guns killing the Carriers. "4.5m until the DPS can kill a Triage Carrier" Whaddya wanna bet they're not gonna let you just snipe from 151km.
HG slaves.
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pipa Porto
618
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:54:00 -
[19] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait till 2-man gatecamps are replaced by sentry carriers repping and assisting an instalocking HIC And a Dram can do the DPS needed to knock the balance over to the Gate guns killing the Carriers. "4.5m until the DPS can kill a Triage Carrier" Whaddya wanna bet they're not gonna let you just snipe from 151km. HG slaves.
Affect the Spider Tank of Carriers?
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
45
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:56:00 -
[20] - Quote
Whole change is ********...
lowsec
No bubbles...
No real instalock on gates...
Null bubbles...
instalock ceptors... etc
New changes = no bubbles...
ista lock ceptors (so wtf is the point of the guns and etc)
Can't have a LONG fight... must be over and done with fast before the guns become TOO powerful to tank... ********... |
|
|
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
1174
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 05:58:00 -
[21] - Quote
I think CCP is going a little overboard on this change.
Then again, I never had any trouble in low sec... on the gates. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1552
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 06:00:00 -
[22] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Affect the Spider Tank of Carriers?
Nope, but it certainly complements high-resist fits on, say, Archons.
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
stoicfaux
1389
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 06:00:00 -
[23] - Quote
Meh, you need gates for travel, and stations for trade in order to populate low-sec, which means sentry guns that can actually control the space around gates and stations. Ramping up the DPS over time is pretty half-ass.
Of course that makes fights harder to find, so there needs to be something in low-sec that's worth fighting over, and that something needs to be away from gates and stations. Towers? Hunting people mission running, mining, site running, etc.? Some kind of FW-esque sovereignty-ish mechanic that provides bonuses to the "owner" of a low-sec system? *shrug*
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1552
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 06:07:00 -
[24] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Meh, you need gates for travel, and stations for trade in order to populate low-sec, which means sentry guns that can actually control the space around gates and stations. Ramping up the DPS over time is pretty half-ass.
Of course that makes fights harder to find, so there needs to be something in low-sec that's worth fighting over, and that something needs to be away from gates and stations. Towers? Hunting people mission running, mining, site running, etc.? Some kind of FW-esque sovereignty-ish mechanic that provides bonuses to the "owner" of a low-sec system? *shrug*
yeah none of these things create fights
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pipa Porto
618
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 06:43:00 -
[25] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Affect the Spider Tank of Carriers? Nope, but it certainly complements high-resist fits on, say, Archons.
Absolutely, but unless the DPS on each ship resets each time it warps off (which makes little sense to me), the DPS would quickly ramp up to the point where (even if it leveled off at Triage Carrier-killing), the Archons would get killed through the RR (unless the guns still cycle targets, which also doesn't make sense given Soundwave(I think)'s wish that a Carrier that triages after starting to get gate gun damage get deadified by said Gate gun damage).
What also makes little sense is why CCP wants to discourage people Triaging on gates, something that normally leads to spectacular fight reports.
Anyway, if the DPS does reset (resulting in an odd bucket line of Carriers warping in, joining the spider, and warping out as the DPS escalates towards breaking what's left of the spider after keeping the HIC alive), or the DPS does cycle (fast enough that you can keep each other alive), then nothing will change except the minimum size of the ships involved (sentry carriers can be aligned if you're willing to warp back and forth from field to POS to stay in range).
The specific ways this would be bad for everyone in LS are, as always, in the details.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
382
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 06:59:00 -
[26] - Quote
A few weeks ago I was killed and podded by a 0.4 station camp.
Not a problem in itself, all part of the Eve experience.
I checked the kill stats of the people who ganked me, and it would seem that station camping in 0.4 lo-sec is their game. Again, all part of the Eve experience (and good for them), but equally, why would I go back there?
Only a fool would go where the chances of being killed by far outweigh out weigh the oportunity to make isk.
Away from the stations and gates, ratting, exploring, running missions etc, kill me by all means, but if I can be more or less insta-popped at the stations and gates, I may as well be in 0.0. which kind of defeats the point of having lo-sec.
You want fries with that? |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
60
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 09:47:00 -
[27] - Quote
All part of the rebalance of EVE. Gate guns are meant to be feared not a toy. If they were never intended to hurt a ship then those gates would never have had guns in the first place. So I think it is a good move. If CCP has things in game like empire navies and gate guns then they should be able to do harm to players they are meant to hurt. But players have been laughing at these things CCP has put into the game for years.
It would seem CCP has heard of your bravado and decided to make these things powerfull enough to hurt and now suddenly we hear the opposite how dare they make their guns hurt what is this, we have to adapt and find a new way to hunt ships in low sec.
Not fair...interesting how the talk goes from bravado to no fair just like that.
Oh and sec status and the grind to keep sec status is finally going to mean something and not to be taken lightly either.
Players have also laughed at this for a long time as well. Now the grind to maintain sec status actually is worth something.
I think it is a good move to rebalance the game and make these things in EVE meaningfull. As it was meant to be.
I would further hazard a guess that this is not the end, and many of these holes in the game will be addressed over time.
The entire new experience of EVE will not happen overnight but when all the changes are complete. In the mean time balance issues will be problemattic but they have been for quite a while so what. Adapt and learn is the motto of EVE right.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
106
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 09:54:00 -
[28] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Away from the stations and gates, ratting, exploring, running missions etc, kill me by all means, but if I can be more or less insta-popped at the stations and gates, I may as well be in 0.0. which kind of defeats the point of having lo-sec.
Same story, same conclusion... and it doesn't matter what kind of ship you fly or what you do...
T1 hauler doing lvl 2(!) destribution mission - one jump into 0.4 - gate popped
Brannew Buzzard - one jump into 0.4 to pick up some cheap sensor scripts - station popped
... all in one week.
The lesson: Never go into low again, for anything.
Needless to say, it wasn't like that a couple of years ago...
"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Pipa Porto
619
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 10:07:00 -
[29] - Quote
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:It would seem CCP has heard of your bravado and decided to make these things powerfull enough to hurt and now suddenly we hear the opposite how dare they make their guns hurt what is this, we have to adapt and find a new way to hunt ships in low sec.
Not fair...interesting how the talk goes from bravado to no fair just like that.
We already did come up with how to deal with the Gate guns. It turns gate camping from something you can bust (camping with a couple of BCs) to something that's pretty hard to bust (Sentry Carriers at Range).
Took until post 16 for someone to come up with the Adaptation.
The change is a bad one for the residents of LS. All residents.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion
Red Alliance
238
|
Posted - 2012.08.03 10:15:00 -
[30] - Quote
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
He safely farmed his way to riches because he played smart, and Darwin rewards those who adapt to the challenge of their environment.
... and on the way back he warped to gates and got disconnected. log show nothing.
fairy tale about Eve..... |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |