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Jawarrior2010 Amarr Lactose Intolerant corp.	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:28:00 - [1] One thing that confuses me with caldari, they are mostly missile orientated as far as i can see, but why isn't there a bs that has 8 launchers like there is for all other races?, Amarr that use lasers have the abaddon, which has a bonus for lasers and 8 turrets for them, gallente have the hyperion with 8 turret slots and bonus for hybrids, and minmatar have hte maelstrom for their projectiles, so why is the rokh a hybrid platform? shouldnt it be a missile one like most other caldari ships?
Slade Hoo Amarr Retired Gunslingers	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 14/10/2010 22:43:33 You can use the other 2 slots on a raven with turrets. The Tempest (the tier2 equivalent of the Caldari Raven) only has 6 Turrets and 2 additional highslots for utility or missiles. Why not put guns on a raven where minmatar fit missiles on a tempest, or Neuts, or whatever. Every Race has its 8-turret-BS (Amarr have two because its their racial benefit to have more turrets than others) and Caldari got the Rokh for that. Caldari are as hybrid centric as missile centric. So a turret tier3 BS isn't "wrong". And while we are at it..Minmatar lacks an armortanked gank (RoF+dmg bonused) 8 turret boat. Just use the ships we got and don't complain. Caldari BS aren't bad ships that need improvements.
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:42:00 - [3] Balance.
Jawarrior2010 Amarr Lactose Intolerant corp.	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:47:00 - [4] i was just wondering why 3/4 races have a bs that has 8 weapon slots for their main weapon, caldari is mostly missiles so i would've thought they would have an 8 missile launcher bs
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Jawarrior2010 i was just wondering why 3/4 races have a bs that has 8 weapon slots for their main weapon, caldari is mostly missiles so i would've thought they would have an 8 missile launcher bs Because torpedoes do more base damage. a 6 launcher raven literally does more DPS than a 7 turret megathron, even though the mega has bigger drones. An 8 launcher BS would just be OP (Plus the raven gets a rate of tire bonus, which gives a bigger DPS advantage than a straight up damage bonus)
Slade Hoo Amarr Retired Gunslingers	Posted - 2010.10.14 22:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Jawarrior2010 caldari is mostly missiles so i would've thought no. Check the ships. Hac, Recon, BS, BC, whatever you like...there are 2 ships and one is missile based and the other one is hybrid based. The others (Osprey, ECM-Ships,etc.) don't count in this rule. Missiles might be more popular at Caldari, but there are as many missile as railgun boats.
Sir Gankgrief	Posted - 2010.10.15 12:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Slade Hoo Edited by: Slade Hoo on 14/10/2010 22:49:30 Caldari are as hybrid centric as missile centric. So a turret tier3 . LMAO did you just use "centric" in a forum post?
Footoo Rama Gallente Beyond Control.	Posted - 2010.10.15 15:21:00 - [8] There are pros and cons to each race, there is not nor does there have to be a 1 to 1 equality through the races. Caldari have the Scorp an ECM BS that has not equivalent. Gallante has the Domi which has no equivalent out there in terms of versatility. Gallante does not have very strong Hacs for group PvP work, nor BC'ss that are good for PvE... Where as Caldari have a really really good BC... It is all balance and creating a difference between the races. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Settledown Yankabitch	Posted - 2010.10.15 16:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Sir Gankgrief Originally by: Slade Hoo Edited by: Slade Hoo on 14/10/2010 22:49:30 Caldari are as hybrid centric as missile centric. So a turret tier3 . LMAO did you just use "centric" in a forum post? FYP
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.10.15 16:52:00 - [10] Because a torpraven can do 1100dps as it is. (Before adding T2 ammo/overheat - with that, you can clock 1433) Add on two launchers, and you'd be talking 1450dps, going up to 1850 with overheat/T2 ammo. At 30km. This would get the Raven nerfed. I'm happy as it is, thanks.
Derek Shmawesome We Know Derek	Posted - 2010.10.15 17:51:00 - [11] Saying that Caldari is mostly missile oriented is the same as saying Gallente was mostly drone oriented. Both statements are wrong. Caldari only has more missile boats than other races. Just like Gallente has more drone boats than other races. The only thing that applies to all Caldari ships is that they are shield-tank oriented. Yet, even that doesn't mean they should be shield tanked exclusively. If you want more than 6 launchers get yourself a faction Raven.
Caphelo	Posted - 2010.10.15 18:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Caphelo on 15/10/2010 18:30:40 Originally by: Footoo Rama Gallente...nor BC'ss that are good for PvE... Apparently you have never witnessed the glory of the Myrmidon.
Settledown Yankabitch	Posted - 2010.10.15 19:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Derek Shmawesome Yet, even that doesn't mean they should be shield tanked exclusively. That's a criminally stupid accusation. I know of a handfull of bastardized 'fit-into-armor-fleet-as-gimp' fits, but i wouldn't dare call any of them good or worth using unless you're just desperate. I'll agree with you a lot of other ships either use launchers and more utilize them as a secondary dps system, but shield tanking? That's most certainly uniform for caldari.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.10.15 19:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Jawarrior2010 One thing that confuses me with caldari, they are mostly missile orientated as far as i can see, but why isn't there a bs that has 8 launchers like there is for all other races?, Amarr that use lasers have the abaddon, which has a bonus for lasers and 8 turrets for them, gallente have the hyperion with 8 turret slots and bonus for hybrids, and minmatar have hte maelstrom for their projectiles, so why is the rokh a hybrid platform? shouldnt it be a missile one like most other caldari ships? because the raven with just 6 launchers can already do 1300 dps
Derek Shmawesome We Know Derek	Posted - 2010.10.15 19:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Settledown Yanka*** Originally by:** Derek Shmawesome Yet, even that doesn't mean they should be shield tanked exclusively. That's a criminally stupid accusation. I know of a handfull of bastardized 'fit-into-armor-fleet-as-gimp' fits, but i wouldn't dare call any of them good or worth using unless you're just desperate. I'll agree with you a lot of other ships either use launchers and more utilize them as a secondary dps system, but shield tanking? That's most certainly uniform for caldari. You misunderstood. As I wrote all Caldari ships are shield oriented. But some are just not meant to be shield tanked. Meaning ECM ships especially. There were even times when a Cerb could be speed tanked, sort of. Of course that's just hair splitting.
Zyress	Posted - 2010.10.15 20:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Settledown Yanka*** Originally by:** Derek Shmawesome Yet, even that doesn't mean they should be shield tanked exclusively. That's a criminally stupid accusation. I know of a handfull of bastardized 'fit-into-armor-fleet-as-gimp' fits, but i wouldn't dare call any of them good or worth using unless you're just desperate. I'll agree with you a lot of other ships either use launchers and more utilize them as a secondary dps system, but shield tanking? That's most certainly uniform for caldari. Actually I have a pretty good Kestrel throw away tackler fit that is armor tanked with over a 4000 EHP buffer tank, If you are going to fit prop scram and web in a 3 slot mid hull armor or speed is the only way to go.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.15 20:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Cambarus Because torpedoes do more base damage. a 6 launcher raven literally does more DPS than a 7 turret megathron, even though the mega has bigger drones. An 8 launcher BS would just be OP (Plus the raven gets a rate of tire bonus, which gives a bigger DPS advantage than a straight up damage bonus) when you shoot a space station maybe, radius - read about it
Settledown Yankabitch	Posted - 2010.10.15 21:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Zyress Originally by: Settledown Yanka*** Originally by:** Derek Shmawesome Yet, even that doesn't mean they should be shield tanked exclusively. That's a criminally stupid accusation. I know of a handfull of bastardized 'fit-into-armor-fleet-as-gimp' fits, but i wouldn't dare call any of them good or worth using unless you're just desperate. I'll agree with you a lot of other ships either use launchers and more utilize them as a secondary dps system, but shield tanking? That's most certainly uniform for caldari. Actually I have a pretty good Kestrel throw away tackler fit that is armor tanked with over a 4000 EHP buffer tank, If you are going to fit prop scram and web in a 3 slot mid hull armor or speed is the only way to go. I have thrown more impressive things away than a kestrel with plate buffer.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.16 01:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Rasz Lin Originally by: Cambarus Because torpedoes do more base damage. a 6 launcher raven literally does more DPS than a 7 turret megathron, even though the mega has bigger drones. An 8 launcher BS would just be OP (Plus the raven gets a rate of tire bonus, which gives a bigger DPS advantage than a straight up damage bonus) when you shoot a space station maybe, radius - read about it You are aware that turrets have tracking to deal with as well yeh? And that a ship putting out the ravens DPS at 30km with no cap usage, variable damage types, 2 utility highs and no problems applying said DPS would just be horrendously OP

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