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BringerMC
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Posted - 2012.08.04 06:25:00 -
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Cellethen wrote:Xuixien wrote:lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs. You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions. HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3
For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.
FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.
So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.
So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.
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Posted - 2012.08.04 06:45:00 -
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Ki're Suahien wrote:BringerMC wrote:
For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.
FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.
So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.
So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.
/facepalm You based an entire argument on semantics purely to attempt to discredit someone from a group you don't like? Sweet. I think it's pretty obvious that the term, "isk faucet" does not literally mean, in generic use, a source from which raw isk is generated, but rather a source from which wealth in general is generated.
I have no issue with Nulli. Just simply stating facts based off his comparison.
No he didnt use it in a generic term. He compared it to incursions which were an ISK Faucet as it created ISK that was not in the game before. Had he just called it an ISK faucet without that comparison I could buy your story that it was use generically.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 00:41:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Cellethen wrote:BringerMC wrote:Cellethen wrote:Xuixien wrote:lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs. You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions. HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3 For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little. FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees. So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions. So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything. It's not an ISK faucet in terms of the overall economy, no, but it certainly forces a load of ISK into your personal wallet. Did I misuse the term? Probably. It's alright though, the level of butthurt LOSEK PRYDE in your last sentence made the slight error on my part more than worth it. Anyway, I'm going to keep enjoying my time pvping in frigates while you keep getting pissy about the fact that a 0.0 alliance is playing the same game as you. Ciao! EDIT: Holy ****, a Dreddit guy defending me. Cheers :D I'll see you on /r/eve These people jumped on me for using these terms 'incorrectly' too. Space lawyers and space economists are abundant in FW. They get angry if you imply people in FW get rich. 99% sure these people fly gunless frigate alts to farm plexes and this definitional nonsense is what they use to rationalize it. Don't know why the just can't admit they are farming a broken system. We all are.
Oh its broken but it is still an ISK Sink. People in FW do get rich but other people are getting poorer from buying your goods. It is wealth redistribution. It does not cause inflation in the market as it is not introducing new ISK to the system. The argument had nothing to do about the system being broken and allowing large amounts of wealth redistribution. Only that FW is an ISK sink and that probably will not CCP rush to change it as it is not effecting the global market.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 01:30:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Horak Thor wrote:Major Killz wrote:Welcome to factional warfare. Yes welcome who's kraken. KRAKENDOT is most likely the most powerful entity within Caldari milltia v0v
Is that why your group left Yvangier?
Also if that is true then the Gallante having nothing to worry about.
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Posted - 2012.08.07 04:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:BringerMC wrote:Cellethen wrote:Xuixien wrote:lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs. You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions. HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3 For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. . Actually the Tiered FW system is reducing the LP store ISK sink! I suspect if it continues next February the LP store ISK sink will be reduced from 6 trillion the previous year to ~4 trillion in 2013. The only new LP store demand ( by NULLI interestingly ) created appears to be for Navy 'Geddons & that is pure LP no ISK sunk at all. Tier 4 reduces the ISK sink by 50% & Tier 5 by 75% sure it'll be nice having cheaper faction items but in the longrun we'll have more ISK in the economy.
Where are you getting this extra ISK in the economy? Navy Geddons still create a sink. Someone produces the Geddon which is then sold. ISK goes away in this process due to taxes and broker fees. The Geddon is then turned into a Navy Geddon in the LP store which again no ISK is created. That Navy Geddon is then sold on the market which again creates an ISK sink through broker fees and taxes. The pilot that is selling the Navy Geddon gets ISK from another pilot. That ISK is not created it is ISK that exists in the game and is passed from one pilot to another. Hence it is wealth redistribution.
If the Navy Geddon is used for personal use then again no ISK is created and it gets destroyed in combat at a later date.
I am some how missing where people get that the FW LP Store creates ISK. The most it does when it comes to the the selling of items generated in the LP store is the redistribution of wealth hence no new ISK in the economy.
This is also controlled in the end by supply and demand. If the demand for FW products decreases the amount of wealth redistribution also decreases.
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