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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.08.06 22:01:00 -
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BringerMC wrote:Cellethen wrote:Xuixien wrote:lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs. You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions. HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3 For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. .
Actually the Tiered FW system is reducing the LP store ISK sink! I suspect if it continues next February the LP store ISK sink will be reduced from 6 trillion to ~4 trillion. The only new LP store demand ( by NULLI interestingly ) created appears to be for Navy 'Geddons & that is pure LP no ISK sunk at all. Tier 4 reduces the ISK sink by 50% & Tier 5 by 75% sure it'll be nice having cheaper faction items but in the longrun we'll have more ISK in the economy.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.08.07 06:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Actually, the isk sink is the same in terms of isk/lp whether you're at Tier 1 or Tier 5 because both scale with the FW Tier payouts. If there is more lp being turned in, then necessarily there is more isk removed from the economy. Has there been more LP turned in since the patch? The answer is probably yes.
The ISK per item at tiers 4&5 is redeuced 50% and 75% respectively. You probably will get a demand jump from these items if they are offered significantly cheaper but no where near the ISK reductions but I'm willing to bet no more then 10% ( and probably much less IMHO). The ISK per LP scaling arguement is silly... I suppose you'd argue if the ISK&LP reductions were equally reduced 99.99% (or greater) you'd still see the same results? 
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:[OK, let's think this through for a minute here.
1. isk sunk/LP ratio stays the same. Confirmed.
2. More LP turned in. Assumed.
3. (isk sunk/LP)* LP turned in = isk sunk. Fact.
Assuming more LP turned in, then yes there is more isk sunk.
wrong you forgot points 4&5
Tier 4. (isk sunk/LP)* LP/2 turned in = isk sunk halved per item. Fact.
Tier 5. (isk sunk/LP)* LP*.75 turned in = isk sunk three-quartered per item. Fact.
Once thing I learned about farming in Incursions which will translate into FW farming: You are going to end up with a crap ton of LP at the end of the day because the LP markets will eventually collapse because the demand does not keep up.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:51:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:
This is my last shot at it because I cannot help the math-impaired. The assumption is in 2.) MORE LP TURNED IN.
Example: If the same amount of LP was turned in at Tier 5, then 4 times as many items have been purchased. However, the same amount of isk has been sunk.
Do you think more LP has been turned in since this expansion?
So where is the increased DEMAND comming from for all these items? Not from me I got 4.5 million Concord LP I'm sitting on. Start undercutting all the other LP stores you will see some increased demand but you're going to soon find out how inelastic it is.
I wish the GOONs were able to keep all their FW bought +4 & +5 'plants just to speed up whats going to be happening over the next few months.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:14:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:So where is the increased DEMAND comming from for all these items? Not from me I got 4.5 million Concord LP I'm sitting on. Start undercutting all the other LP stores you will see some increased demand but you're going to soon find out how inelastic it is. I wish the GOONs were able to keep all their FW bought +4 & +5 'plants just to speed up whats going to be happening over the next few months. You are whining about isk - isk/lp ratios that will go down because FW items will flood market. I am talking about "isk sink" - the amount of isk removed from the Eve economy by purchasing an LP store item. Must be a language barrier thing.
The Faction item supply is going to way outstrip the demand the ratios are not going to help that at all. Ergo since the Tier 4 ISK reductions per item is now 75% the Tier 3 normal LP price you will be seeing a significant total LP store ISK sink redcution come February if not sooner uless people just let thier stuff sit in their hangars & continue to buy more.
Lyron-Baktos wrote:No idea if FW is a sink or faucet but I have 20b worth of **** in my hangar from a few weeks of playing
lol Lyron I suggest selling it before X-Mass or your **** will be worth alot less then 20b
It is not an ISK faucet but it'll definately start eating away at the LP stores' ISK sink function for the economy ( hmm one thing I've not accounted for is the new FW datacores are they now a new ISK sink? and are they too now also affected by the 75% ISK reduction per core then thier old prices lol?)
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
The Faction item supply is going to way outstrip the demand the ratios are not going to help that at all. Ergo since the Tier 4 ISK reductions per item is now 75% the Tier 3 normal LP price you will be seeing a significant total LP store ISK sink reduction come February if not sooner unless people just let thier stuff sit in their hangars & continue to buy more.
BTW, if prices go down too far, we'll all be flying navy faction ships and will be derping into each other 23/7. Resource rich, isk poor, but having fun.
You forgot to add that everyone will be flying with +5 implants in our heads and not to worried about being podded with them in NULL bubbles  The PvP NULL trolls in the foruems will be absolutely livid because our lack of tears  
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