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Doddy Aliastra	Posted - 2010.10.18 00:07:00 - [61] macro courier mission runners, they have been around since the dawn of eve. The proliferation of magnates is probably because they finally realised its a far better ship to use than the bestowers they were using before (courier mission sizes have changed also).
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.18 01:19:00 - [62] Originally by: Doddy (courier mission sizes have changed also). Also the destination systems are (supposed to be) further away the higher the level agent.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.10.18 02:10:00 - [63] Seen, petitioned, ignored (sorry, "being investigated, I'll close this petition now"). http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314738 CCP don't give a flock.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.10.21 11:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Umega So if I may ask.. what evidence do you have to support otherwise? Anyone? So the default position is: Bot until proven wrong? Originally by: Umega What is strange is when people show up to defend what is taking place.. I wonder why that is. My guess would be to support their own personal agenda.. whatever that may be. Perhaps bot/macro users themselves, RMT owners, isk buyers, alts with a hand in what is happening.. hmmm makes one wonder. Seriously you sound like a crackpot. If someone challenges your idea "they must be part of the conspiracy"! -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Citan Gunz 4 Hire	Posted - 2010.10.21 12:22:00 - [65] Damn this is a huge problem! Just imagine if say 500 people are doing this they could faucet 3B isk into the game a day! OMG THE HORROR. To bad trillions get fauceted into the game per day already... Nothing to see here folks move on.
Grumpy punk Stir Crazy Research and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.10.21 13:06:00 - [66] Confirming the Magnate Sighting Phenomenon in Jakanerva-Gekutami-Uoyonen area. At least 15 to 30 newbie chars. Is it time to dust off the arty Thrashers?
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:06:00 - [67] But why a magnate? I mean a Probe goes faster, gets a cargo bonus, and has a slightly smaller sig radius. So why the Magnate? Does it some how have better resists? More armor? It just seems odd they wouldn't pick the fastest, most cargo version. Who knows.
Phyei Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:17:00 - [68] An old friend of mine bought ISK from one of these ISK selling companies once... The customer service people caught on after about 5 days and REMOVED the ISK from his wallet and said something along the lines of 'Don't do it again!' which effectively left him minus ú15 and with a MASSIVE minus value on his wallet which he was never able to recover from (He was minus over one hundred million ISK). If CCP are still doing this, then the impact that it will have on the economy will be low I believe.
Yosarian Koshaku	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:17:00 - [69] hmmmm. These things always run in high sec only? Never tried it, but perhaps a discophoon + logistics at the exit gate to a system would work. Since 'they' run the same routes, then their warp-to point should be predictable. Cycle the disco lights and they might pop the frigs before they jump? Not sure. Fun to try though!
r33f4b Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia But why a magnate? I mean a Probe goes faster, gets a cargo bonus, and has a slightly smaller sig radius. So why the Magnate? Does it some how have better resists? More armor? It just seems odd they wouldn't pick the fastest, most cargo version. Who knows. That's actually a pretty good question, as I wondered why, I've EFT'd it and here is the result: Magnate: 3x Cargo Expander II + 3x Small Cargohold Optimization I = 1009m3 Probe (@Minmatar Frigate V): 2x Cargo Expander II + 3x Small Cargohold Optimization I = 989m3 I guess the 20m3 difference makes a difference to the bot creator.
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2010.10.21 15:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs ****ing Magnates, how do they work? This ^ ------------------------------------ "A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie."
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.21 15:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Seen, petitioned, ignored (sorry, "being investigated, I'll close this petition now"). http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314738 CCP don't give a flock. Actually, although I'm usually pretty quick to criticise CCP, I have to agree with them here. It's not an easy issue to counter, and I'm pretty sure they are investigating it. The problem is that banning a trial account doesn't help as they simply open another one and banning them by IP or email address isn't easy or reliable. I think, in the end, they may just nerf trial accounts so that they can't run more than a few of a type of mission.
V'hellu	Posted - 2010.10.21 18:18:00 - [73] why does it seem like there has been such an increase in the amount of folks deserving in tinfoil hats and smelly jackets in Eve recently?
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Karak Terrel Originally by: Umega So if I may ask.. what evidence do you have to support otherwise? Anyone? So the default position is: Bot until proven wrong? Originally by: Umega What is strange is when people show up to defend what is taking place.. I wonder why that is. My guess would be to support their own personal agenda.. whatever that may be. Perhaps bot/macro users themselves, RMT owners, isk buyers, alts with a hand in what is happening.. hmmm makes one wonder. Seriously you sound like a crackpot. If someone challenges your idea "they must be part of the conspiracy"! When evidence supports a theory more so than any other theory.. there ya go. As it stands now.. the evidence supports a macro-bot trial account magnate farm running 23/7 courier missions. If you infact have any other evidence that says otherwise.. by all means, post it. It isn't crackpot idealogy to think someone is a macro-bot user when they show up on the forums, defending what is taken place with zero evidence of their own.. only supplying baseless words and what ifs. That is, infact.. strange behavior. What other reason do they have, besides being a attention *****, or a troll.. to pop up and defend the existence of macro-bots? Idk.. sure seems like to me they got something they wish to defend that is personal to them, why else do they care? But thanks for the bump. Again.. I encourage anyone that notices this activity to please file a petition. Reguardless if you think they or don't work.. it is the approapriate course of action to help get the matter of macro-bots resolved. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Lachesis VII Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:28:00 - [75] Originally by: Yosarian hmmmm. These things always run in high sec only? Never tried it, but perhaps a discophoon + logistics at the exit gate to a system would work. Since 'they' run the same routes, then their warp-to point should be predictable. Cycle the disco lights and they might pop the frigs before they jump? Not sure. Fun to try though! They run in lowsec too. I've been seeing them in large quantities throughout lowsec in the Lonetrek area for months. Killing them is not worth the GCC.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:37:00 - [76] Originally by: Karak Terrel So, what makes you sure this isn't a noob corp that run some sort of event/contest/race? You watched them for 20min and conclude they are macros? Any other evidence than your strange theory and silly calculations? BWAAHAHAHAHA I love the Eve forums.
Zilabeth Vomarr	Posted - 2010.10.21 20:04:00 - [77] The Magnate is the best frigate sized hauler which may explain why you see so many. All my alts have at least one fit out with cargo expander II's and cargo rigs because that will give you a fast frigate sized hauler with just over 1,000m3 of cargo space.
Fat Buddah	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:10:00 - [78] 1. Find a suspicious magnate pilot whose trial period is about to expire 2. Follow him around. Scan him down if necessary 3. Try to find out how he moves isk. Check contract under his name, see if he drops a jet can (pop it if you can), etc, etc 4. Find out the 'pimp' picking up the isk. 5. Follow the pimp around 6. Repeat 1~6 to confirm that the pimp is a pimp. If yes, Petition 7. Gank and rob if possible.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:49:00 - [79] Originally by: Fat Buddah 3. Try to find out how he moves isk. Check contract under his name, see if he drops a jet can (pop it if you can), etc, etc I can think of a number of ways off the top of my head that would transfer ISK (although not with perfect efficiency) from a trial account to another account without another player being able to get good information on who the end recipient is. Basically, anything but contracts. Trade window, market trading in general (sell/buy orders placed at remote, unused stations), or even just contract bought items as normal to a third party, which in turns launders the items into isk and transfers them from there. On proving, tracing and stopping this kind of behavior, while petitions can alert CCP to certain instances, all the real heavy lifting has to be on CCP's end.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.22 02:36:00 - [80] You cannot run more than one account on a computer with a trial account active. You cannot even run a trial account alongside a subbed account. This would mean a work around would be required, or a separate computers for each account. In this scenario, i can hardly imagine that even the most dedicated macroer will have enough computers to make this worth the effort.
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.10.22 05:59:00 - [81] Spotted the same thing in the Domain region a little while ago. In the Pelkia system, for an hour straight, there was nobody except dozens of 2-week-old macro bots in Magnates and me. They appear to be running missions for Aridshapur Family. Umega, I did as you asked and filed a petition, although I'm not holding my breath that CCP will do anything about it. Neither should you tbh.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.22 06:29:00 - [82] Originally by: Swidgen Spotted the same thing in the Domain region a little while ago. In the Pelkia system, for an hour straight, there was nobody except dozens of 2-week-old macro bots in Magnates and me. They appear to be running missions for Aridshapur Family. Umega, I did as you asked and filed a petition, although I'm not holding my breath that CCP will do anything about it. Neither should you tbh. Awesome on the filing petition part. And yes.. I'm not going to hold my breath. But action is better than none. If this particular pattern esculates, and CCP has decent documentation of the areas and instances it has occured.. then maybe they will do something. I personally have seen my petitions on macro-miners go through with temp and perma bans. And CCP has a bit of history of complying information before unleashing a bit of their own.. 'rage'. It is also a way to let them know as a consumer.. you don't like what you are seeing in their product. Doing something is ultimately better than doing nothing.. if everyone lets these things slide, the problems will only continue to grow. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Dr Karsun Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club	Posted - 2010.10.22 12:28:00 - [83] Dum dum dum... One problem - as far as I know, the eve client prevents from 2 trial accounts being online on one PC at any given time... I may be wrong... And it is possible that the eve client has been modified by those people in a way preventing the block from turning on? Just my 2 cents on this, didn't investigate nor will I investigate.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.10.22 13:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Dr Karsun Dum dum dum... One problem - as far as I know, the eve client prevents from 2 trial accounts being online on one PC at any given time... I may be wrong... And it is possible that the eve client has been modified by those people in a way preventing the block from turning on? Just my 2 cents on this, didn't investigate nor will I investigate. I already told 'em. Their tinfoil hats must be covering their eyes. Im waiting for the accusations that im one of these macroers lol
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.10.22 14:21:00 - [85] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 22/10/2010 14:25:06 Edited by: Tres Farmer on 22/10/2010 14:23:13 Originally by: Jane Griffin You cannot run more than one account on a computer with a trial account active. You cannot even run a trial account alongside a subbed account. This would mean a work around would be required, or a separate computers for each account. In this scenario, i can hardly imagine that even the most dedicated macroer will have enough computers to make this worth the effort. True for a single windows machine.. but how about something with linux underneath and several instances of wine running eve clients? I doubt CCP will tell us how they check for other instances of Eve running on our computer - maybe that's even the twist here.. We got reactors running forever after starting them up with 100u of stuff, then we got some particular w-space with fancy anomalies coupled with special fits.. wouldn't be surprising to learn that some folks found a way around the 'just-one-trial-per-computer-limitation' New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.10.22 14:31:00 - [86] Originally by: Umega It isn't crackpot idealogy to think someone is a macro-bot user when they show up on the forums, defending what is taken place with zero evidence of their own.. only supplying baseless words and what ifs. That is, infact.. strange behavior. What other reason do they have, besides being a attention ***, or a troll.. to pop up and defend the existence of macro-bots? Idk.. sure seems like to me they got something they wish to defend that is personal to them, why else do they care? So you just wrote this to prove my point that you are a crackpot? Nice, thx. Originally by:** Umega But thanks for the bump. Again.. I encourage anyone that notices this activity to please file a petition. Reguardless if you think they or don't work.. it is the approapriate course of action to help get the matter of macro-bots resolved. No problem, it is a pleasure to bump it again. Wait how does this fits with your "this guy is involved" theory? Anyway, crackpots never needed consistency. So go on with your crusade would love to hear how you waste your game time while fighting against magnates (aka windmill). -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.10.22 20:42:00 - [87] Originally by: Jane Griffin I already told 'em. Their tinfoil hats must be covering their eyes. Im waiting for the accusations that im one of these macroers lol Oh my god you can't be serious. But you are. I. Love. The official. Forums.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.10.22 20:47:00 - [88] Originally by: Dr Karsun Dum dum dum... One problem - as far as I know, the eve client prevents from 2 trial accounts being online on one PC at any given time... I may be wrong... And it is possible that the eve client has been modified by those people in a way preventing the block from turning on? Just my 2 cents on this, didn't investigate nor will I investigate. The are so many obvious ways around this I don't even know where to start. But hey, it's WAY more likely that a whole bunch of garbage named trial characters in magnates in the same systems running eternal courier missions are totally legit players. Macros do not exist. They just don't! All those sites you can find with a simple google search offering bots that do exactly this behavior? Smokescreen, just to convince people less clever than you that macros exist. Whenever I want a good laugh, I read threads here on macros and count the number of people who insist they don't exist. What motivates that? Like, are you so loyal to the Eve game that you can't believe its exploitable? Are you just trying to find some way of convincing yourself you're smarter than all the sheeple? What is going on in your head when you are confronted with evidence that dozens of identical trial accounts with identical fits are running courier missions in certain systems, and you feel the need to arrive at the conclusion that everything is on the level?
Zofe Stormcaller B4D W0LF Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.10.23 11:18:00 - [89] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs **ing Magnates, how do they work? Miracles. Originally by:** Jane Griffin You cannot run more than one account on a computer with a trial account active. You cannot even run a trial account alongside a subbed account. This would mean a work around would be required, or a separate computers for each account. In this scenario, i can hardly imagine that even the most dedicated macroer will have enough computers to make this worth the effort. Virtual machines.
FluffyDice	Posted - 2010.10.23 14:17:00 - [90] I would agree that macro courier missions are a problem. I have the killmails of about 22 now. Although im a suspicious that they might be piloted by children somewhere in asia as ive seen them do some rather reactive behavior. Making bookmarks 200km off station ramp to avoid repeated death. (which was tracked down bookmarked and met with ibis kills) Staying cloaked on gates while i wait for them to come through. (very much beleivable of a macro behavior) Returning to collect loot from wrecks in noob ships (little more complicated but not impossible of a macro) Ive also had them reply to conversations in broken annoyed english. All pilots have been mostly in npc corps and relatively new. In large enough numbers in the middle of knowhere to be quite suspicious and not in the least bit put off by repeated death.

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