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Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 17:04:00 - [1] Wow, Alek... All in one post you manage to: a.) Completely ignore all the facts and history of the situation b.) Be a massive hypocrite c.) Refuse to accept responsibility for any of the actions you or your alliance has taken I like doing the TL;DR version first, so now let me expand... a.) D'K is in the trouble they're in because they ran their mouths off and intentionally drug the rest of Provi into a war where there was little chance of success. Now if PL had come in looking to take all of Provi, the situation would have played out differently. We all would have fought shoulder-to-shoulder and died together, but they weren't here to invade Providence. They were only here to give a misbehaving child a well-needed spanking. D'K provoked that one and expected the other alliances to pay the butcher's bill. No thank you. Unfortunately, one ass-whopping wasn't enough to get through to them that they need to tone it down and a decision was made to remove them from Providence. That decision was made not, as many would have you believe, for purposes of conquest, but because it was best for the long-term stability and security of the region. If someone is rocking the boat, you sit them back down (with force, if necessary). We can't be in a NIP with another alliance who insists on poking hornet's nests and then expects their friends to pick up the tab. Now as to the facts of your situation: Not even one week ago there was a Provi TS meeting where we were all present to discuss the situation. I'm pretty sure you were there (someone from NOIR was), although you arrived 30 minutes late. And based upon your actions after that meeting you were probably AFK for most of it; smoking a joint. If you think back over your THC-clouded memories you may recall us bringing Derwent into the meeting to discuss The Kadeshi coming into Provi. We offered them ZQ2-CF constellation and told them if they continue going after your space then all of Provi would be there to fight them. But I'm sure that we got two dozen of all the alliance's leaders into the same TS channel just to convince you were WEREN'T plotting against you. That makes much more sense, right? b.) So now you call us back-stabbers for failing to honor the NIP. I admit, there is room to discuss the way things were handled with D'K and I'm sure there could have been improvement on both sides of the fence. But in your mind two wrongs make a right? You really think calling us out for not sticking to the letter of the NIP and then flipping your space to CVA makes you the good guys? It makes you vindictive and childish. Multiple opportunities have existed to salvage this situation and you've repeatedly ignored them. And the icing on the cake? You guys didn't help D'K against PL, either. c.) And now you attempt to lay all this trouble at other people's doorsteps. The fact of the matter is that real leaders take responsibility for the situations in which they find themselves. You can't join into a NIP and then not uphold your side of the bargain. You guys rarely participated in any of the Provi-wide meetings, and rarely joined up in any fleets against CVA or other intruders. Absentee landlords would be the polite way of saying you were never here and never active in the region. So now after our pilots have fought and died to help hold your space while you messed about in Jita you have the nerve to come in here and tell us you've been mistreated? Good riddance.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Sonreir on 18/10/2010 20:27:54 Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 18/10/2010 20:07:54 I personally was in Period Basis, and all of us operate out of Amarr, not Jita, for our resupply so I'm not really sure where you get your information from. And helping to hold our space is not the same as blue listing the people shooting at it and pretending nothing is going on. CVA are at least, honest. The Jita comment wasn't meant to be interpretted in the literal sense. I could just have easily said Rens or Dodixie or EC-P8R. The fact of the matter remains; you guys were elsewhere while the allies that you so recently betrayed were doing all the heavy-lifing on your behalf. As for the blue comments, you're dead wrong again. We only set Kadeshi blue after you guys stabbed us in the back. As a matter of fact we went so far as to reset MC once we heard they were taking a contract against you. So congratulations, you took up false intel provided by a third party and used it to screw over your allies.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 20:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Now now, don't backtrack coz you don't know the difference between Jita and Amarr. We were elsewhere yes, doing our own stuff. Which everyone in Providence knew we would be doing since the start. I got handsomely paid for Period Basis. I was so happy my nipples almost fell off. If your level of intelligence is indicative of the rest of NOIR, I'm sorry we didn't set Kadeshi and MC blue earlier. Do you really think I (or anyone else in Provi, for that matter) care where you were? We only care about where you were supposed to be.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde a) What? I just gave you a history. Sorry it didn't conform to the one your alliance leaders have been relaying to you but that shouldn't be a reason for hostility. If anything IÆd call my treatment of the situation pretty tame compared to the opinions of some. And this pretty much sums up NOIR's understanding of what's actually going on. I am one of the alliance leaders and as such have had a full access to the events as they've unfolded. I may not be overly vocal about it much of the time, but I can assure you that your actions are/were based on paranoia and not on any real truth. Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde b) I am a hypocrite? Not quite sure how but boy this is really going to be fun when i point how you spout off allowing DK, a NIP member to be kicked in by PL, a sov invasion, because SODA felt there would be or intended there to be hostilities in the near future. See, wasnt that a good time? Did you guys help D'K defend their space? No? Out on contract again, I suppose... Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde c) I 100% accept responsibility to my corp for not selling our Providence holdings the two times I had the opportunity to do so. Would have been very significant income by our standards, though we are very small. I made the decision to try to stick it out and give the coalition a chance back when it looked like that was possible and by the time I realized how things were going to goàwell I WOULD say I couldnÆt even give them away except that I did. XD Not selling your friends down the river two of of three times you've had a chance is quite commendable. Keep it up. Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Except giving them a ôspankingö consisted of invading Providence. I donÆt remember anywhere in the NIP or any meeting where it was agreed that an invading enemy had to let everyone know before they got started that they were going to kick people out of every single system before the rest of us paid attention. Nowhere was it said that DK, or you guys for that matter, were fair game for getting evicted because they were talking ****. It's common sense. The spirit of the NIP is to promote a relative peace in the area so that we can all have some fun pew-pewing each other. If an entity, either internal or external, is a threat to that relative peace then that entity needs to be dealt with. I'm not one to subscribe to the rights of the individual being placed over the rights of the group and that's exactly the agenda D'K was pushing. They made decisions without consulting the rest of the Providence leadership and those decisions are what landed PL on their doorstep and also resulted in a significant portion of the Providence residents unwilling to dig them out of their own hole.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.18 21:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Sonreir on 18/10/2010 22:02:04 I do apologize if we were unable to get forces to you in time. Chalk it up to poor communication or poor timing, but I can assure you it was not malice. From our point of view we already working on removing the last of the D'K forces from the pocket and yet another opportunistic attack from CVA. A third attack, coming from Kadeshi, was starting to spread us thin and so our response times were not as good as they could have been. It's funny though... We were all geared up to start fighting on three fronts and then you guys go and turn your space over to CVA. So now instead of helping you guys fight off Kadeshi we're now helping Kadeshi fight off CVA. Self-fulfilling prophecy... Anyway... sorry for the tone of my earlier posts. I can see by the thought and effort put into yours that you are probably a reasonable person (most of the time, at least). I can understand that you were doing what you thought was best at the time, I'm just sorry that more communication didn't take place. As it turns out, there is (and never was) any conspiracy against you. I guess for all the *****ing and moaning this actually works out quite well though. Kadeshi are stronger allies then you guys were and we can set MC back to blue now that they're not on contract against a Provi alliance. You guys get to go back to doing what you do best and you made a fist full of cash in the processes. Seems like a win-win situation and here we all are complaining like tea partier at a gay pride rally. See you guys in space, Sonny
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 00:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Galthirion I love when people cry and try to make just of there actions...you will lose your space little 0.0 monkey all in due time im sure... And I love everyone here on CAOD. You guys are the best. :D
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 15:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Sonreir on 19/10/2010 15:47:58 Originally by: Galthirion You mad? Nah, but I am going to have to stop reading this thread or I'm gonna get fired for laughing too loud and disturbing my co-workers. The fact that some guy from a 100-man empire alliance can come on CAOD and predict the downfall of our 900-man 0.0 alliance because we're winning the war is epic on so many levels.
Sonreir Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.10.19 18:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Galthirion 1 I have probably been playing this game longer then 75% of your alliance. 2 check our KB were far from an empire alliance. 3 dont lie about you working, you more then likely live in your moms basement. and eat cheetos and and twinkies all day long. 4 you still mad bro? No need to get defensive. I was only kidding. I'm sure you guys are really hardcore.

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