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LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:12:00 - [1] Hello everyone. I wouldnt call myself a business man at all but some times you just cant get what you need on your own. I need a 15billion isk loan within 2 days which will be paid back within 3-4 months with a set 15% interest rate. Unfortunately I can't offer any sort of collateral for this except my word and my hard work as I am putting all of my own assets in to this venture. I've managed to collect 11billion on my own but time is running out for me and i can find no other way to get this ammount in time. The isk will be used to purchase a specialized character which will then in turn be used to make isk all day every day to pay investors back. I've had my eye on this character for some time and it's just perfect all around for what i'm looking for. Please consider my offer and thanks to everyone who invests. I'll answer all questions in this forum.
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:13:00 - [2] Experts are saying weak. -L
LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:22:00 - [3] i'm willing to negotiate on the terms and conditions of any investments to try and keep everyone happy.
porth0s	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:29:00 - [4] worst offering ever.
LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:31:00 - [5] Edited by: LokiXIII on 20/10/2010 02:32:58 maybe make some suggestions on what you feel would be a better offer?
Budnacho	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:36:00 - [6] Always willing to listen to alternate plans
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:37:00 - [7] 4 posts ever on the forums 3 in this thread and the 4th is offering to buy a character if you can get the ISK There is nothing that will improve your offer.
LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 02:43:00 - [8] well then i hope that other people will feel differently about this
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.20 03:08:00 - [9] Originally by: LokiXIII well then i hope that other people will feel differently about this hmmmm no
Scott McClellan Forum Posters Anonymous	Posted - 2010.10.20 03:31:00 - [10] ...wut
egola	Posted - 2010.10.20 05:31:00 - [11] so you invested 11 bil into this "venture" and you're asking for 15 bill.....all in the while the character you're planning to buy "so happens" to be 26b.............HMMMMMM I CAN'T FIGURE THIS OUT!
Netheranthem	Posted - 2010.10.20 07:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Rasz Lin Originally by: LokiXIII well then i hope that other people will feel differently about this hmmmm no ^^^^^^
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.10.20 07:12:00 - [13] Pass. And since the character you're looking to buy is all combat oriented, you're looking to what... mission all day every day, to repay back 15 billion? Yeah, that'll happen. This post is bad and you should feel bad.
Ambo Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.10.20 07:24:00 - [14] Edited by: Ambo on 20/10/2010 07:26:24 Are you serious? I'll do you a favour and assume you're genuine and not simply trying to scam. No history except a post in the thread where you want to buy the character No information about who your main character is 15 bil Zero collateral 15% interest over '3-4 months' works out at 5% per month at best. I'd also question the business case here. You're going to have to make 15 bil + 15% = 17.25 bil in 3-4 months in order to pay this back. Now I know that I can do that by trading but that would be a lot of work and this char is clearly not for that, it's for plexing? missioning? In which case, making that much would be soul destroying. To top it all off, you have absolutely no reason to pay it back once you've made the isk (assuming you ever do and don't just burn out first). Imo there are only two things you can do to even stand a chance of getting anything: 1. Ask for less cash. A lot less, like 1 bil. You'd also have to increase the interest. This obviously won't be enough to buy the char though. 2. Provide collateral. If you could do that, it sounds like you'd just use it to buy the char anyway. --------------------------------------
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.20 08:06:00 - [15] Originally by: LokiXIII Unfortunately I can't offer any sort of collateral for this except my word When your forum history is a whooping 5 posts, your word is not worth much to those that read it. If you have some kind of in-game standing, seek to borrow from those your word MIGHT have some weight with. MD is certainly not the place for you to offer "your word" as sole collateral. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Luxotor Minmatar Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks	Posted - 2010.10.20 08:25:00 - [16] You're asking for a 15b "loan" with no collateral? --- Make lowsec useful!
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.10.20 08:30:00 - [17] This takes the quality of md offerings to an unimaginable new low
egola	Posted - 2010.10.20 08:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Roguehalo This takes the quality of md offerings to an unimaginable new low you sir haven't read this
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.10.20 10:58:00 - [19] Originally by: LokiXIII well then i hope that other people will feel differently about this yes, any second now zero blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:05:00 - [20] "Wondering if there is some experiment..." -- Well, this wasn't me! lol
Hydranga Honk	Posted - 2010.10.20 11:51:00 - [21] Originally by: LokiXIII I've managed to collect 11billion on my own but time is running out for me and i can find no other way to get this ammount in time. Never trust anyone who misspells amount
Machete Visor	Posted - 2010.10.20 13:20:00 - [22] there have been a string of these terrible posts in the last few days one wonders if MD has been "discovered" by the "i play Eve for $5 a day" crowd (trying not to be too insulting here) or a gang of 12 year olds... either way, we've been marked as easy targets. i think much ridicule must ensue... awesome line, surprised no one has hit on this one leading with a left hook "I wouldnt call myself a businessman at all...."
flakeys DRAMA Inc Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.10.20 14:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Machete Visor there have been a string of these terrible posts in the last few days one wonders if MD has been "discovered" by the "i play Eve for $5 a day" crowd (trying not to be too insulting here) or a gang of 12 year olds... either way, we've been marked as easy targets. i think much ridicule must ensue... awesome line, surprised no one has hit on this one leading with a left hook "I wouldnt call myself a businessman at all...." Nah it's common after a big heist like BB's for example.We had the same after ricdic made the news.After about 25 fail threads with no investments it usually stops till the next heist makes the news. Also bear in mind at a certain point jita will be too full for all those lovely scammers and they'll seek refugee elsewhere.
egola	Posted - 2010.10.20 15:53:00 - [24] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Machete Visor there have been a string of these terrible posts in the last few days one wonders if MD has been "discovered" by the "i play Eve for $5 a day" crowd (trying not to be too insulting here) or a gang of 12 year olds... either way, we've been marked as easy targets. i think much ridicule must ensue... awesome line, surprised no one has hit on this one leading with a left hook "I wouldnt call myself a businessman at all...." Nah it's common after a big heist like BB's for example.We had the same after ricdic made the news.After about 25 fail threads with no investments it usually stops till the next heist makes the news. Also bear in mind at a certain point jita will be too full for all those lovely scammers and they'll seek refugee elsewhere. its usually rens or amarr =( we never get any sleep whenever that happens
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:05:00 - [25] Originally by: LokiXIII Hello everyone. I wouldnt call myself a business man at all but some times you just cant get what you need on your own. I need a 15billion isk loan within 2 days which will be paid back within 3-4 months with a set 15% interest rate. Unfortunately I can't offer any sort of collateral for this except my word and my hard work as I am putting all of my own assets in to this venture. I've managed to collect 11billion on my own but time is running out for me and i can find no other way to get this ammount in time. The isk will be used to purchase a specialized character which will then in turn be used to make isk all day every day to pay investors back. I've had my eye on this character for some time and it's just perfect all around for what i'm looking for. Please consider my offer and thanks to everyone who invests. I'll answer all questions in this forum. I will consider your offer, but first answer... How did you make the 11bil to start with?
LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: LokiXIII Hello everyone. I wouldnt call myself a business man at all but some times you just cant get what you need on your own. I need a 15billion isk loan within 2 days which will be paid back within 3-4 months with a set 15% interest rate. Unfortunately I can't offer any sort of collateral for this except my word and my hard work as I am putting all of my own assets in to this venture. I've managed to collect 11billion on my own but time is running out for me and i can find no other way to get this ammount in time. The isk will be used to purchase a specialized character which will then in turn be used to make isk all day every day to pay investors back. I've had my eye on this character for some time and it's just perfect all around for what i'm looking for. Please consider my offer and thanks to everyone who invests. I'll answer all questions in this forum. I will consider your offer, but first answer... How did you make the 11bil to start with? donations from my corp members who all wish this to go through.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:27:00 - [27] Originally by: LokiXIII donations from my corp members who all wish this to go through. Then let THEM post in here and let THEM offer some form of collateral as co-signers _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
egola	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: LokiXIII donations from my corp members who all wish this to go through. Then let THEM post in here and let THEM offer some form of collateral as co-signers seconded
LokiXIII	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:54:00 - [29] Edited by: LokiXIII on 20/10/2010 17:55:42 as i said before. all assets are going in to this. if i had collateral i wouldnt need a loan. this includes my corp m8s
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.20 19:03:00 - [30] Then you're out of luck. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.10.20 19:20:00 - [31] So... you're looking to borrow an amount more than the entire assets of you and your corporation have accrued in their time playing? This keeps worse and worse. Or better, depending on how you look at it.
Netheranthem	Posted - 2010.10.20 19:27:00 - [32] Please please please, can I has 15 Billions too? Why did nobody send me ISK?
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.10.20 21:02:00 - [33] Originally by: LokiXIII i'm willing to negotiate on the terms and conditions of any investments to try and keep everyone happy. That's great news actually. Here's the way we can both get what we want. Some dude on the mission runners forum figured out that he can pull roughly 90 mil per hour reliably. Now that's him and his specialized setups etc, let's just for the sake of this calculation call it 50 mil per hour (which is very realistic even if you don't know what you are doing). So at 50mil/hr it will take you 300 hours to grind out the 15 bil (let's not even talk interest). I propose that you give me your 11 bil, I put in my 15 bil and buy the character. Then you go and get a job flipping burgers for $5/hr after tax. Once you worked 150 hours (which is 150 hours less than it would take you to grind 15 bil) you buy 50 PLEX with the RL money you made, sell the PLEX and I will sell the character to you for 16 billion. That leaves me with 1 bil in profit and you with a character and more than 11 bil in cash while having spend only 50% of the time that you currently plan on spending on this. How about it?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.10.21 01:15:00 - [34] The above proposed sounds very reasonable to me.
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.10.21 02:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: LokiXIII i'm willing to negotiate on the terms and conditions of any investments to try and keep everyone happy. That's great news actually. Here's the way we can both get what we want. Some dude on the mission runners forum figured out that he can pull roughly 90 mil per hour reliably. Now that's him and his specialized setups etc, let's just for the sake of this calculation call it 50 mil per hour (which is very realistic even if you don't know what you are doing). So at 50mil/hr it will take you 300 hours to grind out the 15 bil (let's not even talk interest). I propose that you give me your 11 bil, I put in my 15 bil and buy the character. Then you go and get a job flipping burgers for $5/hr after tax. Once you worked 150 hours (which is 150 hours less than it would take you to grind 15 bil) you buy 50 PLEX with the RL money you made, sell the PLEX and I will sell the character to you for 16 billion. That leaves me with 1 bil in profit and you with a character and more than 11 bil in cash while having spend only 50% of the time that you currently plan on spending on this. How about it? Sounds good but what is to keep you from keeping the 11 bil for yourself?
egola	Posted - 2010.10.21 07:44:00 - [36] guessing that this offer is dead now
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.21 08:31:00 - [37] Originally by: egola guessing that this offer is dead now Why, was it ever alive? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.21 13:14:00 - [38] Sounds reasonable. ISK sent. ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
egola	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:20:00 - [39] Edited by: egola on 21/10/2010 14:22:09 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: egola guessing that this offer is dead now Why, was it ever alive? well there was a SLIGHT chance it was an actual decent "venture" but now its gone, the character got sold to someone else so even if he was "legit" the offer shouldn't even stand anymore
Da Trader	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:33:00 - [40] Thanks for the post, it made my day
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.10.21 14:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: LokiXIII i'm willing to negotiate on the terms and conditions of any investments to try and keep everyone happy. That's great news actually. Here's the way we can both get what we want. Some dude on the mission runners forum figured out that he can pull roughly 90 mil per hour reliably. Now that's him and his specialized setups etc, let's just for the sake of this calculation call it 50 mil per hour (which is very realistic even if you don't know what you are doing). So at 50mil/hr it will take you 300 hours to grind out the 15 bil (let's not even talk interest). I propose that you give me your 11 bil, I put in my 15 bil and buy the character. Then you go and get a job flipping burgers for $5/hr after tax. Once you worked 150 hours (which is 150 hours less than it would take you to grind 15 bil) you buy 50 PLEX with the RL money you made, sell the PLEX and I will sell the character to you for 16 billion. That leaves me with 1 bil in profit and you with a character and more than 11 bil in cash while having spend only 50% of the time that you currently plan on spending on this. How about it? But who is going to pay for the 20$ transfer fee? Failplan! -L
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.10.21 16:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Lecherito Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: LokiXIII i'm willing to negotiate on the terms and conditions of any investments to try and keep everyone happy. That's great news actually. Here's the way we can both get what we want. Some dude on the mission runners forum figured out that he can pull roughly 90 mil per hour reliably. Now that's him and his specialized setups etc, let's just for the sake of this calculation call it 50 mil per hour (which is very realistic even if you don't know what you are doing). So at 50mil/hr it will take you 300 hours to grind out the 15 bil (let's not even talk interest). I propose that you give me your 11 bil, I put in my 15 bil and buy the character. Then you go and get a job flipping burgers for $5/hr after tax. Once you worked 150 hours (which is 150 hours less than it would take you to grind 15 bil) you buy 50 PLEX with the RL money you made, sell the PLEX and I will sell the character to you for 16 billion. That leaves me with 1 bil in profit and you with a character and more than 11 bil in cash while having spend only 50% of the time that you currently plan on spending on this. How about it? But who is going to pay for the 20$ transfer fee? Failplan! -L Oh snap! Add ...., 500mil for the transfer fee since the seller always has to pay that. Which incidentally makes me wonder whether there's actual cash to be made with this type of deal. I certainly got enough backing to buy a bunch of characters and hold them for folks if they put a sizable deposit down. Sort of like a character lay-away. Meh ..., seems like a lot of work but if you run with the idea I'll take 1 bil in consulting fees for the idea.

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