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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.20 18:17:00 -
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Hi All,
I find a bit difficult to determine what exactly you need to extract in order to be able to produce some required products and how to minimize number of planets in use to optimize costs.
Since i'm a programmer i solved this task by developing smaaaall windows application that allows you to:
- Planets available in your systems
- Any set of P0-P4 products you want to produce
And after that application calculates most optimal (involving as few planets as possible) setup.
Now i just thought it might help someone of you so i shared it: https://sourceforge.net/projects/picalc/.
Feel free to comment, suggest and blame :) And hope it helps!
Fly safely!
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.20 19:01:00 -
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Downloaded... installed... grumbled at the message about installing .Net4 but did it anyway... after .Net4 finished I relaunched the PICalc installer... What's this? No shortcut on the desktop... or the start menu... grrrr.... navigated to the install location and launched the .exe directly.... only to receive a message that I need to install .Net4, and it takes me to the same download page....
So far... epic fail. 
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.20 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: AlexLaway on 20/10/2010 20:30:54
Hmm, that's strange. I mean that you do need to install .net framework 4.0 but after that everything should be working after that. In case you're still interested in this application please try to download and install .net framework manually (e.g. from here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=9cfb2d51-5ff4-4491-b0e5-b386f32c0992&displaylang=en) and download ZIP file with the application (just uploaded to SourceForge.net) https://sourceforge.net/projects/picalc/files/PICalc-v1.0-beta.zip/download
And yes, installer was implemented in a last turn so it is (was) very... basic :)
P.S. I promise dedicated support to everyone who experiences problems with launching the app :)
P.P.S. Thanks for feedback
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.20 20:30:00 -
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Worked out of the box for me! Guess some folks don't have their Pc's up to date.
Very useful little app , nice and simple. added to my desktop collection. Thanks.
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Alex Volturi
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Posted - 2010.10.20 20:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Contralto
Worked out of the box for me! Guess some folks don't have their Pc's up to date.
Very useful little app , nice and simple. added to my desktop collection. Thanks.
Always welcome! Please let me know if you find any bugs/problems or if you have any ideas on how to improve the functionality.
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.20 20:39:00 -
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Btw, feel free to catch me in the game if you have anything that requires discussion :)
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:26:00 -
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Ok, the first pc is my work one, and yes, I am a little behind with approving WSUS updates. It's on my to-do list. 
I got it working on my home pc with only having to install the .NET4.
Now for my (proper) initial feedback. Selected Barren, Gas, Ice, Oceanic, and Storm - representative of my location.
Selected Oxygen, Coolant, Enriched Uranium, Mechanical Parts, and Rocket Fuel.
Although the results are correct it's only partially useful. It shows Barren only pulling Nobel Metals. I agree that these items can be done with only 3 planets. But the Barren planet can build the Mechanical Parts solo, no need to pull the Base Metals on the Storm planet.
Positive note: Selecting the planets automatically filters the commodity list to only what can be made... Excellent!! 
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.21 07:02:00 -
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You're right. Right now the only parameter that the program is trying to optimize is number of planets to be used but it probably should try to figure out if any of the products can be produced from resources from a single planet. Thanks for the idea, will try to implement it :)
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.21 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Greg Huff on 21/10/2010 13:35:16
Just a thought...
What if you split the right panel in 2 and had one section list single planet constructions? Programming-wise this shouldn't be too difficult (depending on your existing code) and would provide a very useful At-A-Glance feature.
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Alex Volturi
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Volturi on 21/10/2010 14:19:27
Yes, right - this is what i was going to do but, actually, i wasn't going to split the right panel. Instead, for each of the planets that is enough to produce required product i will this product in a separate node. Just for example, it could be like this:
Barren
|__ P0 Commodities
|____ Base Metals
|____ Micro Organisms
|__ Final Products
|____ Mechanical Parts
Gas
|__ P0 Commodities
|____ Aqueous Liquids
|____ Noble Gas
|__ Final Products
|____ Synthetic Oil
Do you think your proposal will be more suitable? Personally, i prefer when all the information is in 1 place. In your approach you might have 2 planets of the same type - one in each of the subpanels of the right panel. But i could be mistaken, ofc :)
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:29:00 -
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I just thought that, actually, current algorithm might be better in some cases. E.g. it might be cheaper to transfer P0 products from one planet to another than build several Advanced Industry Facilities. I guess i'll just add an option allowing to choose one algorithm or another.
Damn, i think i'll need to start writing manual soon :)
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:54:00 -
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My thought with splitting the panel was that way you could have both results. By having 2 panels they would, by instinct, be thought of as separate information. The information you're providing now is helpful so, and as you pointed out, it might be more productive to produce simpler items and move them instead of staying on one planet.
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:29:00 -
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Hi all!
Just uploaded a new 1.0.1 beta version of PICalc application that has new algorithm of building configuration implemented.
Please let me know what do you think about it.
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Fly safely!
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.22 00:04:00 -
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I like it. That definitely adds a very useful piece. 
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.22 07:06:00 -
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Thanks for feedback :) Is there anything else you think will be nice to have in this app?
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Galmalmin
Gallente
Hysterically Unforgiving
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:40:00 -
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I was briefly confused until I realized that the items to be made list is based on the planets available in the system/s you can use.
Thank you for this app.
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.24 20:07:00 -
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Thanks for your comment.
Now i'm working on showing prices from eve-central for each of the products. Except new version to be available somewhere next week :)
Fly safe.
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AlexLaway
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Posted - 2010.10.27 18:57:00 -
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Hi All,
I've just uploaded a new version of the application: http://sourceforge.net/projects/picalc/files/Latest%20Version/PICalc-v1.0.2-beta.zip/download
The major change is that now it can retrieve and display product prices from the eve-central!
From minor changes the most important one is that now you may save/load configuration to/from file.
Please let me know what you think about it!
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DIV Leader
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Posted - 2010.11.29 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: AlexLaway
Hi All,
I've just uploaded a new version of the application:
The major change is that now it can retrieve and display product prices from the eve-central!
From minor changes the most important one is that now you may save/load configuration to/from file.
Please let me know what you think about it!
I believe the next evolution of this app should be as follows.
Add both market prices for input and output materials, like you did for the input materials, and then use the combined values of the input materials to equal the output materials, then using both allow a % to be entered to produce an amount for resale value.
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Point14
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Posted - 2010.11.29 17:01:00 -
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Hi.
I have downloaded this but I cant get it to install. When I run the appliaction file nothing happens. The first time I did it I got the .net4 msg so I downloaded that and updated its still not working.
Any ideas?
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Drexit
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Posted - 2010.11.29 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Drexit on 29/11/2010 18:28:49
Problems and suggestions:
I have selected all planet types, then selected simply sterile conduits. I don't see any product highlighted in green, like when I select enriched uranium. My guess is that this is because Sterile Conduits cannot be built in a system with 1 of each planet type. If that is the answer, then the application doesn't make that very clear.
I would like to be able to configure the number of planets my character can use.
I would like to be able to configure the number of characters I want to use in a production chain.
Using a limited api key to add characters would be nice, in terms of calc'ing control center count.
Your help > about should show the entire version. It shows "1.0" but I downloaded whatever was latest on sourceforge, presumably 1.0.2.
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viki
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Posted - 2010.11.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Point14
Hi.
I have downloaded this but I cant get it to install. When I run the appliaction file nothing happens. The first time I did it I got the .net4 msg so I downloaded that and updated its still not working.
Any ideas?
i gat the same prplem ):
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Maricela Kerbs
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:17:00 -
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This tool seems pretty useful for planning...
I haven't actually done any PI yet, so pardon me if this is a dumb question.
What does a product in red indicate? |
Littleburst
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Posted - 2011.02.20 14:26:00 -
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Downloaded the program and it works. But I don't really understand what the point of the program is. I'm starting with PI and I want to know what items I should make to get the largest profit. This program tells you which items are the easiest to make with the planets you have? Shouldn't it be exactly the other way around. Decide where you want to set your bases, depending on market prices?
I've been searching for a program that does this for an hour now or so and it just doesn't seem to exist, or atleast a public one. Anyone have a suggestion or know a program that does this? I'd say that everyone who uses PI would like such a program, so I'm somewhat baffled that I can't find one.
The effort to create this program is always appriciated though!
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Jackomel
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:40:00 -
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It crashes for me as soon as I open it,
windows 7 x64
I tried up the debug option in the crash popup and here's what the visual studio debugger told me:
Quote:
An error occurred creating the configuration section handler for PICalc/MainConfig: Request failed. (F:\Users\Jack\Desktop\picalc\PICalc.exe.Config line 85)
so... I guess there's some problem with the configuration?
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