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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:08:00 -
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I'm a busy bloke irl so my first year of eve has been a little sporradic at best. I haven't managed to hold a corp down for much longer than a few weeks due to the fact I just have to dissapear for days and sometimes weeks on end for business. That said, when I get down to my eve time I like to roam. I got the idea in my head before I even started playing (just the idea of being a stellar roma seemed compelling). That said, after all of almost a full year I still don't have much of an idea about how to break away from at least frequent visits to empire to restock if not being reliant on a corp to use as a marketplace.
My main is an all arounder (a rookie mistake, I know), bit of everything trained with near-perfect core skills as the one shining gem. I'm in the process of perfecting his scanning skills as I see wormholes being a highly valuable mode of transit over jumping down dangerous piplines in 0.0 and certain areas of lowsec. My alt is as-yet unskilled save for learning, hauling (industrial), and a smattering of corporate managment to house my characters.
Basically, I want to know what kind of strategies people employ in roaming lifestyles. Any suggestions for training, ships to consider, and general strategies for living alone in the wilderness of EVE would be greatly appreciated.
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Herrring
Amarr
BLAHss
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:10:00 -
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get a T3, a versatile ship.
And dont use worm holes for transportation unless you happen to find a wormhole that leads to your destination, which will not happen often.
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Ebil Piwata
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Herrring
get a T3, a versatile ship.
And dont use worm holes for transportation unless you happen to find a wormhole that leads to your destination, which will not happen often.
Well he will eventually pop out in lowsec then to highsec.
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
get a T3, a versatile ship.
And dont use worm holes for transportation unless you happen to find a wormhole that leads to your destination, which will not happen often.
I don't have a destination.. the point was to just go where the wormholes take me and shoot at whatever is around (within reason) for fun and profit, be they players or NPCs with as little need for return trips to civilization as possible.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Propa Piker
Originally by: Herrring
get a T3, a versatile ship.
And dont use worm holes for transportation unless you happen to find a wormhole that leads to your destination, which will not happen often.
I don't have a destination.. the point was to just go where the wormholes take me and shoot at whatever is around (within reason) for fun and profit, be they players or NPCs with as little need for return trips to civilization as possible.
Go Amarr.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran
Go Amarr.
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:02:00 -
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So I take it a legion is what i'm looking for in a ship. Would it be able to function in combat with a probe launcher and cloak setup, or will I need to figure out a way to refit depending on my activities?
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:27:00 -
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Refits will mean that you will need to go to a station, and potentially that you will need to take all your stuff in your cargohold, which reduces the ability to carry other stuff.
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Dian Rasd
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.21 04:35:00 -
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I so want to do this. But I came to the conclusion that a really nomadic lifestyle can only be feasible if you have some manner of carrier/mothership alt.
As for just roaming about till you lose your ship: easy, don¦t go back to base before you log.
Personally I just dock in the nearest station and only go to my "home" if I¦m podded. Home in my case is where the largest ship cache is, I have several other, smaller caches at convenient locations (ex one near Tama and OMS, another near Amamake...)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.21 05:24:00 -
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There is a difference between "nomad" and "hermit" :)
If you can afford a second account (is your alt a second account already or a second slot in the first account?), get a pilot trained up to fly an Orca. You could even train leadership skills to benefit your roaming pew pew. The Orca has copious cargo capacity, Corp hangars, fitting service: you could carry a selection ofnships such as a covops frigate for probing, T3 for fighting, Noctis for salvaging, etc.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.21 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 21/10/2010 05:43:30
Originally by: Propa Piker
Originally by: Herrring
get a T3, a versatile ship.
And dont use worm holes for transportation unless you happen to find a wormhole that leads to your destination, which will not happen often.
I don't have a destination.. the point was to just go where the wormholes take me and shoot at whatever is around (within reason) for fun and profit, be they players or NPCs with as little need for return trips to civilization as possible.
Pretty much what I do.
Lucrative? It depends. You can log in a wormhole system with a fat skill queue if you are going to be away for a while and if you are not for ISK like Smeagol was for the One Ring, then exploration and wandering this way if your playing is sporadic.
You can end up in 0.0 pockets where the SOV holders are out of your time zone or neglect to patrol it (out of pipeline) or you can end up in heavily camped NPC space where there will be people losing money because your presence makes their bots dock up. With the right ship you might also take a shot in the low level wormhole systems too.
It is possible to take 0.0 radar sites and class 1 and 2 WH systems with an "exploration fit". Meaning that your tank and spank are limited by the hack, arch, probe launcher, and cloak (you should have a cloak). Omni tanking is not necessary for actual combat but if you shield tank, and you end up in armor and lack a repair module for it, you will feel a bit under-dressed without full armor. So you lose a low slot to an armor module if you shield tank, but you only need a small module if you can spare the slot.
I would also recommend SPEED. It's possible to put a 100m AB on a battle cruiser. Some WH systems you get over 1000 m/s speed and get hard to hit but your ability to turn stinks and you better be relying on missiles and drones if you do that.
0.0 BS Rats can be a problem as well as some of the biggies in the drone regions. You need to max out the ship and tailor your skills specifically to your needs.
I have observed that if you can handle all combat level 3, about a third level 4, and a DED 4/10, you can handle a 0.0 radar sites and class 1 and 2 wormhole systems solo.
So you can roam about until your cargo hold is full and find a way home - and in my experience using wormholes to do this, the trip can take a week or it can take 20 minutes. Sometimes you will be gone for a month or more. I don't know how much ISK I have from this, because all of those sleeper loots, BPs, decryptors, and other stuff I am too lazy to auction off.
Right now I forgot where I am docked - some Amarr system and I was wandering to an SOE station. Last time I was in that area I got a WH to Stain, stayed there for a while, ended up deep in Minmatar space after that. I got a home base, in Villore, but that's just where the junk is.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.10.21 15:57:00 -
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I also think this sounds like great fun.
They gave us a specialized salvager ...
Now we should whine, I mean ask, for a specialized exploration vehicle.
I hear T3s can do it all but it would be nice to have something cheaper with less flexibility but that is designed for this type of game play.
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 16:34:00 -
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Thanks for the advice. And yes, my alt is on another account. I'd debated the orca (seems quite fitting of 'mobile base' operations), but it does seem to be a bit pricey sluggish and expensive to take out of relative saftey.
Current plan (based on feedback) is to setup an armor tanked legion with probe/cloaky setup and have alt fly a prowler with probe/cloak to carry excess loot, salvage, and mods for my main.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.21 17:19:00 -
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Get a rorqual.
Fit clone vats.
Stash it full of ships and mods.
Do a Battlestar Galactica. 
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Magistrate Tsuris
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.10.21 17:32:00 -
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I can only speak for myself but I have had a nomadic lifestyle since buying an Orca. It's not perfect, but as an explorer, I can stick a decent variety of ships in the hanger and can carry a bucketload of ammo/supplies with me as I wander the universe.
For the better part of a year I moved around and explored/traded/ran missions in different regions and systems, and then started moving into WH's. Admittedly, I don't take my Orca into a WH until I know what's inside, but that's the beauty of flying a Legion...
If you could add a "lock" feature to the Orca so that it couldn't be entered while floating in-space with an active account (but can be swallowed by a sufficiently large ship), it would be perfect!
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An Sar
NOMAD.
Ka'ge Kumi
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: An Sar on 21/10/2010 21:34:12
A lot of the more interesting and useful ships, rorqual, carriers, work better with mates around to support, provide cyno, etc.
Find a few like minded individuals and join in with their roaming when you can.
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Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
They gave us a specialized salvager ...
Now we should whine, I mean ask, for a specialized exploration vehicle.
I hear T3s can do it all but it would be nice to have something cheaper with less flexibility but that is designed for this type of game play.
Pilgrim.
Who cares if it's designed for it as long as it works?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Pilgrim.
This. No ammo worries, good pvp ship and cov op cloak. you could also have an alt in an anathema with small RR for logistics after a fight and the combat probes will be handy.
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:51:00 -
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Hrm, i wonder if perhaps legion/pilgrim would make a dynamic duo rather than the hauler alt. Bulky drops would be a bit much, but having the piglim do all the utility work would free up the legion to be fit for more dps/tank with just a probe launcher in case the pilgrim bit the dust.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:56:00 -
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Duh! 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:57:00 -
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Sandcrawlers need not apply. 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Propa Piker
Sandcrawlers need not apply.
Awww. But it's a rust camo sandcrawler. Come on! 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:05:00 -
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The more I think about it the more I really like the legion/pilgrim idea. Can anyone poke some holes in that theory for me??
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Propa Piker
The more I think about it the more I really like the legion/pilgrim idea. Can anyone poke some holes in that theory for me??
One that comes to mind, but which is more of a gentle "pushing some unevenness" than proper hole-poking is that you'll be a bit limited in cargo capacity and need to watch yourself so you don't end up having to cart around more than you can actually carryà
àbut that can be avoided with some judicious planning and mainly comes down to how flexible you want your fitting options to be.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Propa Piker
The more I think about it the more I really like the legion/pilgrim idea. Can anyone poke some holes in that theory for me??
One that comes to mind, but which is more of a gentle "pushing some unevenness" than proper hole-poking is that you'll be a bit limited in cargo capacity and need to watch yourself so you don't end up having to cart around more than you can actually carryà
àbut that can be avoided with some judicious planning and mainly comes down to how flexible you want your fitting options to be.
Yeah, that was the only weak point I could come up with, but i'm not sure how to estimate the number of cystals and spare drones ill need to carry or the general mass of things that i'd be looting in wormholes and from various rats. Though i'm sure if I started picking up battleship loot my space would be gone in a hurry.
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:46:00 -
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After having read this thread my buddy and I are considering trying this out with an Orca to start. It looks like it could be a lot of fun, and definitely a source of income. Maybe not a perfect source, but money's money. One thing I noticed once I started working out some ships/fittings to bring out with us is that, for starters, having a friend with an alt opens you up to a LOT more possibilities. If you can somehow find someone you trust to bring along with you for the ride, it would be easier on you, but I totally understand only being able to do it yourself because of your time constraints.
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Propa Piker
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Posted - 2010.10.22 00:36:00 -
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Yes, I can definitely appreciate how much help additional hands would provide, but unfortunately i've found out the hard way that my schedule doesn't mesh well with most players. I can't exactly blame them. You just can't ask someone to help you out and then not show online for weeks at a stretch (which my job forces me to do on a regular basis).
In other news, my wormhole reading has lead me to believe that im going to need much more cargo hold than a pilgrim/zealot could offer so sadly that part is out. I also realized that sleepers would have a bad habbit of eating my drones up which wouldn't work too well for me. So i'm sticking to the zealot but still debating the alt's training.
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Apo Lyptica
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:16:00 -
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for a while i lived out of a badger mk II,
i had a ishtar packaged and a helios packaged, i went system to system with a probe launcher fitted to my badger, i'd do a scan of the sys, if there were hits (old method) i'd dock up bring out the helios, fit and probe them out, if worth running i'd then bring out the ishtar. use the badger to haul loot to the closest hub pack it all up and move on. i hit almost every high sec system with this method.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 22/10/2010 02:39:02
Account #1 - Combat Pilot
Account #2 - Orca Pilot
Orca carries the following ships:
Pilgrim, Anathema, Absolution (Can be a legion I guess).
Thats all you need for your "nomad" fleet.
Just remember to fit a cloak and a probe launcher on your orca.
*EDIT*
Oh right, forgot to mention the idea here is to live in W-space roaming from system to system.
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.22 03:50:00 -
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Wow, I did not think of putting the probe launcher on the orca. I was too stuck on having two warfare links. What would you recommended in the third high? Link, or something else?
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