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Propa Piker	Posted - 2010.10.21 03:55:00 - [1] I'm looking for a ship that can be relatively flexible, make isk on the go, travel without too much trouble in wormholes. My ultimate goal is to live and roam between wormholes and nullsec with my alt in a cloaky/scanny hauler ferrying my plunder back to sell (prowler). That said, the most popular wormhole ship by-far seems to be the tengu, but the idea of dealing with frequent ammo usage seems like a huge pain in the ass, regardless of how effective the ship is. So I seem to be set on the legion (and would love to see any relavent fits). But if you have alternative ships/fit, please let me know. The basic requirements are as follows: -Probes for itself -Enough tank and gank for basic ratting, plexing, and c2-3 wormholes at minimum. -Ammo consumption/dependance on cap boosters strictly forbidden -Not ludacrisly expensive (1bil is about as much as I can invest in a ship without being unable to replace it).
Johnny cruz	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:39:00 - [2] On a related note, I'll be doing a very similar thing with a legion in a week or two myself. Here's the fit that looks like my best bet, faction mods to preference. [Legion, Standard C3] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Pinky Starstrider	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Pinky Starstrider on 21/10/2010 04:48:21 Nano Drake 7x HMLII (or navy) Probe Launcher (Core) 2X Invul II 1X Photon (or rat specific) 1x MWD 2x LSE II Nano Fiber II x2 BCU II x2 329 DPS/428 Drones/486DPS OL/510Drones+Kinetic 206/253 OL DPS Tank with cap @ 68% 207/1228 MWD/1739 OL m/s (cap last 3:19) Requires a 1% PG and CPU implant with Skills @ 5. Basic Idea is range tank, you are good out to 75K so just kite out the rats. Tis what I use (well a bastardized version since I can only T1 the launchers atm.) Effective and Cheap!.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.21 04:50:00 - [4] problem is you really want a salvager - nanoribbons are almost too good to pass up.. but that screws up your tank or your dps.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.10.21 13:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Lance Fighter problem is you really want a salvager - nanoribbons are almost too good to pass up.. but that screws up your tank or your dps. fit this on the hauler biatch
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Propa Piker I'm looking for a ship that can be relatively flexible, make isk on the go, travel without too much trouble in wormholes. My ultimate goal is to live and roam between wormholes and nullsec with my alt in a cloaky/scanny hauler ferrying my plunder back to sell (prowler). That said, the most popular wormhole ship by-far seems to be the tengu, but the idea of dealing with frequent ammo usage seems like a huge pain in the ass, regardless of how effective the ship is. So I seem to be set on the legion (and would love to see any relavent fits). But if you have alternative ships/fit, please let me know. The basic requirements are as follows: -Probes for itself -Enough tank and gank for basic ratting, plexing, and c2-3 wormholes at minimum. -Ammo consumption/dependance on cap boosters strictly forbidden -Not ludacrisly expensive (1bil is about as much as I can invest in a ship without being unable to replace it). If you're going to have a prowler alt with you, why not use it to ferry ammo back and forth and use a tengu?
Propa Piker	Posted - 2010.10.21 19:44:00 - [7] Edited by: Propa Piker on 21/10/2010 19:46:22 Originally by: Templar Dane If you're going to have a prowler alt with you, why not use it to ferry ammo back and forth and use a tengu? I simply do not want that type of regular logistical demand to function. Taking into account the raw consumption of a tengu in terms of heavy missiles, that's a lot of space in a transport ship that probably won't use expanders. I'd rather save myself the effort and keep room clear for extra equipment and any valuable loot I might come across.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.21 22:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Propa Piker Edited by: Propa Piker on 21/10/2010 19:46:22 Originally by: Templar Dane If you're going to have a prowler alt with you, why not use it to ferry ammo back and forth and use a tengu? I simply do not want that type of regular logistical demand to function. Taking into account the raw consumption of a tengu in terms of heavy missiles, that's a lot of space in a transport ship that probably won't use expanders. I'd rather save myself the effort and keep room clear for extra equipment and any valuable loot I might come across. In that case, bring a few thousand scorch M.
Propa Piker	Posted - 2010.10.21 22:47:00 - [9] I'm sure you're aware a few thousand scorch crystals would last about as long as millions of rounds of heavy missiles, to say nothing of the space required.
Teigor	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Johnny cruz On a related note, I'll be doing a very similar thing with a legion in a week or two myself. Here's the fit that looks like my best bet, faction mods to preference. [Legion, Standard C3] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst That fit isn't cap stable, and I doubt your tank is going to be enough for the double battleship spawns in a c3 site. You can't speedtank the BS's since you are going to be webbed a few times over.

Adacia Calla Minmatar Umbrella Research Group	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:13:00 - [11] Is there a problem with loading a Prowler with 100k missiles?
Propa Piker	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Adacia Calla Is there a problem with loading a Prowler with 100k missiles? -Where to buy them when wormhole drops me far from a hub -Carrying loot and other things besides ammo Mainly those.
Johnny cruz	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:33:00 - [13] Edited by: Johnny cruz on 22/10/2010 01:35:22 Thanks for the feedback Teigor. Given that I'm taking these fits from research, not personal experience I agree I don't know if it'll be enough. That said, the Legion is said to be able to solo C3's with a T2 fit (or at least sub 1b fit) - What would be suggested? Thanks. BTW, the following is a copy-paste of a fit that the user reported using to solo C4's. [Legion, C4 WH] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer True Sansha Cap Recharger True Sansha Cap Recharger Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tactical Miner Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Tactical Miner on 22/10/2010 01:36:20 How crazy would it be to have your alt fly a cloaked Orca? Plenty of room to bring ammo, the hauler (for fast trips), and a Tengu to swap as needed. The orca can offer real support with a maintenance bay for refits. I'm interested in this type of set up too, so I would like to know the drawbacks.
Propa Piker	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:38:00 - [15] I considered the orca myself, though I just find the idea of bringing something that big and sluggish along to be a huge liability. I mean, which ship do you scout ahead with? The orca or the t3? Bearing in mind the t3 isn't going to be covert configured, i'd say neither one, and its not good to run blind. At least with the trasport you have something that can move cloaked ahead of the t3 and make sure you're not about to loose a billion isk ship to careless mistakes.
Tactical Miner Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.22 01:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Tactical Miner on 22/10/2010 01:51:35 You can scout with a proper fit, dock, refit, then pew pew. Or just use a cover ops ship, dock, swap, and pew pew... Orca has it's place, but I agree about liability. Gotta cloak the heavy ship and watch local I guess.
Teigor	Posted - 2010.10.22 02:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Johnny cruz Edited by: Johnny cruz on 22/10/2010 01:35:22 Thanks for the feedback Teigor. Given that I'm taking these fits from research, not personal experience I agree I don't know if it'll be enough. That said, the Legion is said to be able to solo C3's with a T2 fit (or at least sub 1b fit) - What would be suggested? Thanks. BTW, the following is a copy-paste of a fit that the user reported using to solo C4's. [Legion, C4 WH] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer True Sansha Cap Recharger True Sansha Cap Recharger Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst That will handle c3's with ease, allthough those A type reps were 300mil a pop last I checked. As for c4 sites, mabye. We estimated that the triple bs spawns in c4 sites were throwing out between 1.1k to 1.3k dps.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.10.22 02:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Tactical Miner Edited by: Tactical Miner on 22/10/2010 01:36:20 How crazy would it be to have your alt fly a cloaked Orca? Plenty of room to bring ammo, the hauler (for fast trips), and a Tengu to swap as needed. The orca can offer real support with a maintenance bay for refits. I'm interested in this type of set up too, so I would like to know the drawbacks. I used to do that for a while, but I just stayed stationary in a C3. It was very effective. I used a Legion, so I never needed ammo and I just hauled sleeper loot out when there was heaps in a cov ops frigate. Keep in mind, if the Orca is the only one left in the WH and the only K-space hole collapses, you will need to use the Orca to find the exit hole again - this is very risky and I nearly lost my Orca once this way if it wasn't for a quick Ctrl+Q.
Endo Scrote Amarr Universal Moose Federation	Posted - 2010.10.24 11:23:00 - [19] This will handle C3s even the spawn that has 6 webs could even use T1 ammo [Legion,] True Sansha Heat Sink Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Centum A-Type Energized Reflective Membrane Core C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II True Sansha Stasis Webifier Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Capacitor Battery II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tactical Miner Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.24 17:04:00 - [20] Originally by: TheMahdi -stuff- Keep in mind, if the Orca is the only one left in the WH and the only K-space hole collapses, you will need to use the Orca to find the exit hole again - this is very risky and I nearly lost my Orca once this way if it wasn't for a quick Ctrl+Q. Can't you keep a small probe ship in the bay and pop out of the orca to probe for exits? I know it's risky, but local should let you know you are all alone for the maneuver.

Liz Viscious Caldari The Order of Fish and Chips	Posted - 2010.10.24 17:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Tactical Miner local should let you know you are all alone for the maneuver Local is delayed inside of w-space. You wouldn't know who was there unless they were typing in local (which is unlikely in my experience).
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.24 19:05:00 - [22] well, at that point, he might as well carry a small pos and a weeks of fuel with him...


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