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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:53:00 -
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I was just wondering if these guys have been let go yet, and if so who is going to replace them? actual programmers this time hopefully
if they haven't been replaced, what exactly does someone have to do to get fired from CCP?
i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything i just seriously want to know if messing up this badly results in CCP firing someone or not.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:58:00 -
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why should they get fired ?
why dont you do the patch next time ?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
OWTBS Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.21 18:59:00 -
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Dear op
Please learn to read the developer blogs.
Your answers can be found there.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:10:00 -
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Messing up how bad? You talking about today's "oh we changed our minds" or "ohnoes we deleted boot.ini"?
Because the boot.ini was pretty hilarious (ofc with the exception of those who couldn't restart their computers after it).
/c
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:19:00 -
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more body bags
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Jason1138
I was just wondering if these guys have been let go yet, and if so who is going to replace them? actual programmers this time hopefully
if they haven't been replaced, what exactly does someone have to do to get fired from CCP?
i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything i just seriously want to know if messing up this badly results in CCP firing someone or not.
Because every time someone makes a mistake they have to be fired right?
Don't worry tho, even if you tried you would not be called smart.
Regardless, I hardly noticed any real problems with the patching at all.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:27:00 -
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Hi Jason1138,
You may be interested in reading this dev blog that deals with some of the issues we had with Tyrannis 1.1.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Hi Jason1138,
You may be interested in reading this dev blog that deals with some of the issues we had with Tyrannis 1.1.
Was expecting CCP torture chamber with rotten shark and volcanic carpet burns.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
You talking about today's "oh we changed our minds"
More a case of 'oh ****, we fecked up again' rather than 'changed their minds'.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Hi Jason1138,
You may be interested in reading this dev blog that deals with some of the issues we had with Tyrannis 1.1.
Was expecting CCP torture chamber with rotten shark and volcanic carpet burns.
Torture chamber? They love Hakarl!
Zymurgist
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CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 21/10/2010 19:52:33
"Hßkarl is an acquired taste..."
That means it tastes like ****. Am I wrong? ...only in Iceland?
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari
1st Cavalry Division
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 21/10/2010 19:56:45
The people who need firing are those responsible for Q/A, from management on down.
I can accept that a patch may have bugs. What I cannot accept is the people responsible for not allowing something like that to reach the live server failing in their job 6 times in a row.
Remember, CCP, it is YOUR job to find defects, not ours. We are paying customers, not paying beta testers. Any bug reporting we do should be considered a bonus, it should not be the PRIMARY means of catching them.
If I did my job this poorly to make my company look this bad to customers, yes, I would be fired. So would nearly anyone else. Such slipshod Q/A work isn't acceptable in nearly every other kind of software development, including games, why is it acceptable in MMO's?
Answer: It isn't.
Put out this kind of work for the console game DUST and you'll find out, you'll end up with a 90% return rate from the game retailers (who will require you to agree to take such returns or they won't stock it).
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Torture chamber? They love Hakarl!
If I go to fanfest next year me and you need to see how much of it we can eat before we vomit. Loser buys a beer which may or may not have been put in a sodastream
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari
1st Cavalry Division
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Chribba
You talking about today's "oh we changed our minds"
More a case of 'oh ****, we fecked up again' rather than 'changed their minds'.
This.
I was talking to some of my corpmates the other day about the 1.1 patch fiasco and one theory I have is that CCP is suffering from the fact that they have outgrown the talent pool that a country of 300,000 people can provide for something as complex and highly specialized as a MMO.
In other words, they can't find enough qualified people who live in/willing to move to Iceland. Perhaps CCP needs to consider opening a studio in a place that is known for a lot of MMO developer talent living in like Austin or something.
Also CCP needs to adopt software industry (not MMO industry) Q/A practices, which include feature and regression testing. Clearly they are not doing this or they wouldn't now be working on their SEVENTH iteration of a patch that has failed 6 times already, each time breaking something new. It's not as if today's flaw was hard to find, all you had to do was load the patch then try to send an email! Clearly CCP isn't doing any sort of detailed testing of their patches before deeming them ready for release.
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Amy Aim
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:58:00 -
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When I think off CCP I imagine a moderatly sized room with 30 to 40 cubicals littered in personal effects. At any given time 20% of them are walking around chatting. 20% are playing eve and 80% of them are actively getting drunk on the job.
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Hidris
Beggars Banquet
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:25:00 -
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I heard they cut them into small pieces and then used the parts to feed the hamsters powering the servers
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:40:00 -
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i actually have read the dev blogs but if there was anything in there explaining why 5 patches in a row have failed to fix the same problems i guess i missed it
if there was anything in there explaining why patch 4 broke the game after patch 3 fixed it, i guess i missed that too
not trying to be negative but i was seriously just wondering what the criteria is for a "good" dev/programmer at CCP if failing to do the same thing over and over is defended with "why don't you try it then!" or something similar
for argument's sake, if we're on patch 20 in 3 weeks or so, will that be a problem or will it still be "the game is performing as intended" as is the usual party line here? i'm not attacking anyone i just would like to know where the line is, when we can actually get an admission that something is going wrong
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.21 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Hi Jason1138,
You may be interested in reading this dev blog that deals with some of the issues we had with Tyrannis 1.1.
You may want to understand that 5, -1, soon to be + another is FAILING at getting a good product out, yep, you guys do ALOT of QA eh? Never fear we will soon have another fail expansion god only knows what new bugs, more fail patchs to fix those.
ROFL dev blog, I'll sum it up, we fail.
God I wish I could screw up 5 times at my job rofl, get the stuff back, try to fix it again, fail, get it back LOL.
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Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.21 22:39:00 -
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Seeing as we are talking about getting the firing squad out the second a bad patch comes about, why not as a punishment, force bad coders to do a bungee jump into a volcano. Players could donate money to child's play so they could watch a live stream of it.
Dead coders = toys and games for seriously ill children!
*jumping on the bandwagon cause there is nothing in game that excites me anymore*
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.10.21 22:45:00 -
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They don't get fired...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E
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Ebil Piwata
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Demitrios
Seeing as we are talking about getting the firing squad out the second a bad patch comes about, why not as a punishment, force bad coders to do a bungee jump into a volcano. Players could donate money to child's play so they could watch a live stream of it.
Dead coders = toys and games for seriously ill children!
*jumping on the bandwagon cause there is nothing in game that excites me anymore*
Plex for Programmer Kabobs
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.10.22 00:02:00 -
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"Seeing as we are talking about getting the firing squad out the second a bad patch comes about"
5 = 1 ?
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:34:00 -
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Inappropriate comments removed.
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:54:00 -
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Yeah! Those folks making games and what not! You can't afford to make even one mistake in a game, as it effects everyone who plays the game!! That's just not tolerable!!!
I mean Christ, what will happen next? Will our favorite burger joints accidentally overcook our hamburgers too! Unacceptable!
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jason1138
i actually have read the dev blogs but if there was anything in there explaining why 5 patches in a row have failed to fix the same problems i guess i missed it
if there was anything in there explaining why patch 4 broke the game after patch 3 fixed it, i guess i missed that too
not trying to be negative but i was seriously just wondering what the criteria is for a "good" dev/programmer at CCP if failing to do the same thing over and over is defended with "why don't you try it then!" or something similar
for argument's sake, if we're on patch 20 in 3 weeks or so, will that be a problem or will it still be "the game is performing as intended" as is the usual party line here? i'm not attacking anyone i just would like to know where the line is, when we can actually get an admission that something is going wrong
Odd isn't it? They won't answer real questions, they either don't have a justifiable answer or aren't permitted to. As far as if things keep chugging along with patches for our patches I'm sure they can drag them out until the expansion and bury it there even if they haven't fixed the problems yet. It seems kind of ridiculous they wouldn't be able to fix them after so many patches but hey with what I've seen I'm not putting it past them to keep failing to fix the problems.
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Amanda Eidolo
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.10.22 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Amanda Eidolo on 22/10/2010 03:00:18
IS THIS HOW I SNIPE PAGE 2?
TOTALLY NOT SURE
EDIT: HA HA HA NO
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.10.22 03:05:00 -
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No Amanda, but of you try five more times you should get it ;)
My condoloences to the UI team who are obviously dealing with some really hairy code >.<
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.22 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 21/10/2010 19:56:45
The people who need firing are those responsible for Q/A, from management on down.
I can accept that a patch may have bugs. What I cannot accept is the people responsible for not allowing something like that to reach the live server failing in their job 6 times in a row.
Remember, CCP, it is YOUR job to find defects, not ours. We are paying customers, not paying beta testers. Any bug reporting we do should be considered a bonus, it should not be the PRIMARY means of catching them.
If I did my job this poorly to make my company look this bad to customers, yes, I would be fired. So would nearly anyone else. Such slipshod Q/A work isn't acceptable in nearly every other kind of software development, including games, why is it acceptable in MMO's?
Answer: It isn't.
Put out this kind of work for the console game DUST and you'll find out, you'll end up with a 90% return rate from the game retailers (who will require you to agree to take such returns or they won't stock it).
The people who need fired are the OP.
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