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C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 22	Posted - 2012.08.04 13:36:00 - [1] - Quote With the new stats all rookie ships can light a cyno with cynosural field theory level 4 except the impairor. To light a cyno the character needs the level 5 skill or an expanded cargohold. We are talking about a daily routine game mechanic and a base ship. It feels more like a racial disadvantage than a balance issue.
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1063	Posted - 2012.08.04 19:30:00 - [2] - Quote should be changed so only role ships can deploy cynos http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Andrasta Shor Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 20:35:00 - [3] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: hurr i want my cyno frigate kills to be worth more
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 35	Posted - 2012.08.05 03:09:00 - [4] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: should be changed so only role ships can deploy cynos ^
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1065	Posted - 2012.08.05 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote Andrasta Shor wrote: MotherMoon wrote: hurr i want my cyno frigate kills to be worth more Who said it can't be a frigate vessel. And don't talk you want to drop cynos with no risk by using noob frigates. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Dr Offensive Republic University Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2012.08.05 09:21:00 - [6] - Quote I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor. There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR!
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 161	Posted - 2012.08.05 13:23:00 - [7] - Quote Dr Offensive wrote: I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor. There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR! Radical!!.. no no no... remove all ships period... EVE: Pod Wars!!! In a cluster far far away... To mine or not to mine... that is the quesiton.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2012.08.05 15:11:00 - [8] - Quote Just train cyno 5.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 315	Posted - 2012.08.05 16:23:00 - [9] - Quote Dr Offensive wrote: I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor. There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR! why? there are still massive differences in weaponry.. both ewar and direct damage. shouldn't their ships reflect this difference.. though I'm thinking cynos are not a racially specific "weapon" and should work for all or none. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 23	Posted - 2012.08.05 22:06:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think that deciding the race should matter when someone is planning to create a specialized character (cyno alt in that case). Either remove the capability of the rookie ships to light a cyno or make them to do it with the same resources. Or let us decide which rookie ship want we to use in general. Oh and +5m-¦ cargo could completely kill the diversity in the game and if CCP takes my suggestion then Eve will die... I wouldn't think that an idea like that could upset any people :D Give me a break!
Eli Green The Arrow Project 13	Posted - 2012.08.06 04:05:00 - [11] - Quote can't you buy rookie frigs now anyway?
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 754	Posted - 2012.08.06 14:01:00 - [12] - Quote C DeLeon wrote: I don't think that deciding the race should matter when someone is planning to create a specialized character The whole concept of creating a specialized character dictates you choose carefully. Otherwise it's just a generalized character.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:57:00 - [13] - Quote Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 194	Posted - 2012.08.06 17:18:00 - [14] - Quote clearly this is the smoking gun we need to get everyone in EVE mad again Follow me on twitter
C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 25	Posted - 2012.08.06 18:00:00 - [15] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: The whole concept of creating a specialized character dictates you choose carefully. Otherwise it's just a generalized character. Right now the only difference what picking a race makes is where you can install a medical clone from the distance. But it doesn't matter beacuse you can install medical clones at corp hangars too. And of course roleplaying and visual differences. I understand that 5m-¦ cargo feels unnecessarily little problem but techincally it removes the amarrian race as a logical and potential choice when someone is planning to create a cyno alt. With cynosural field theory 4 the character is way under the minimum 900k skill points so they don't have to use medical services after being podded. With ycnosural field theory 5 the character will have at least 1million SP. Of course there is the plan B using expanded cargohold but in low and null sec the market is not necessarily flooded with expanded cargohold. That -5m-¦ cargohold is a little but clear disadvantage for the amarrian race :)
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1072	Posted - 2012.08.06 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote Querns wrote: Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players. why? they take no skill points to fly. whats inconvenient about it? entitled much http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Promiscuous Female GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2012.08.06 20:34:00 - [17] - Quote The RvB experience is rife with situations in which pilots have had to light cynos, including such space battles as
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 36	Posted - 2012.08.07 06:20:00 - [18] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: Querns wrote: Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players. why? they take no skill points to fly. whats inconvenient about it? entitled much chuckle Well, they ARE free when you get ganked. So 3 out of 4 races currently seem to have free cyno ships, no? I still think it should be a role only item. Newbie ships should not be able to light those up.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team 174	Posted - 2012.08.07 09:06:00 - [19] - Quote Noobships shold never be allowed to fit a cyno...
Kallie Rae NorCorp Security AAA Citizens 18	Posted - 2012.08.07 10:51:00 - [20] - Quote Is this the case? If so i also vote for giving the imparior the same cargo size as the other noobships , or at least enough so they are all viable for placing cynos. I've trained numerous of cyno pilots, and most of them uses the noobship, also got a few that are amarr, so this would be a minor blow which i hope might get corrected.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 912	Posted - 2012.08.07 12:07:00 - [21] - Quote The fact that the new rookie frigates make better cyno frigates than they did before is something we consider a side issue, we're not going to explicitly design for it but we don't have a problem with it either. One could always stock cheap expanded cargoholds in your cyno chain systems alongside your cyno gen supply, and then you can get by with cyno theory 3 on characters of any race.

Kallie Rae NorCorp Security AAA Citizens 18	Posted - 2012.08.07 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote But why make the one race have it harder than the other races on this "issue"? Would understand if CCP no longer wanted noobship to be used as cynoships, but that's not the case here, as all other races noobships beside amarr will still work as before, but amarr have to stock up on another module or skill more, doesn't seem right, at least not to me.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.08.07 16:21:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The fact that the new rookie frigates make better cyno frigates than they did before is something we consider a side issue, we're not going to explicitly design for it but we don't have a problem with it either. One could always stock cheap expanded cargoholds in your cyno chain systems alongside your cyno gen supply, and then you can get by with cyno theory 3 on characters of any race. It's less that and more that it's weird that it's inconsistent like that. Why do the newbie ships even have differing cargo sizes? It's not like the civilian guns they're fitted with use ammo. Is it an item budget issue? Is there even such a thing as "item budget" in eve? If you were to drop all newbie ships under 120 m-¦, I'd be satisfied with the change -- at least it'd be consistent. Having amarr ships be the odd man out here is just weird. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Wibla Tactical Narcotics Team 70	Posted - 2012.08.07 16:26:00 - [24] - Quote Pinky Denmark wrote: Noobships shold never be allowed to fit a cyno... Get out
Terminator56 The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons. 5	Posted - 2012.08.07 20:02:00 - [25] - Quote You could just make your cyno alt something other than ammar...
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.08.07 20:18:00 - [26] - Quote Terminator56 wrote: You could just make your cyno alt something other than ammar... none of my cyno alts are ammar This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers 127	Posted - 2012.08.07 20:26:00 - [27] - Quote why the hell is this even CONSIDERED an issue, its a rookie ship it was never ment to be used as a cyno frig in the first place, why dont ya just use a regular T1 frig and be done with it, they cost pretty much NOTHING hell they may as well give the prober ships a cyno bonus of some kind if your really that in of a tiny cyno ship.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.08.07 23:54:00 - [28] - Quote ITTigerClawIK wrote: its a rookie ship it was never ment to be used as a cyno frig in the first place Says who? This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
mkint 839	Posted - 2012.08.08 03:05:00 - [29] - Quote Querns wrote: ITTigerClawIK wrote: its a rookie ship it was never ment to be used as a cyno frig in the first place Says who? Show me a cyno role bonus on rookie ships or gtfo. Or at least a devpost. Oh or lrn 2read the devpost above that says it's not a cyno frig. Noob.
Challu Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail 51	Posted - 2012.08.08 07:35:00 - [30] - Quote ... worst ... whine ... ever ... Now, if you'd contended that Amarrian special ladies are not as petite as CCP considers them to be, and therefore you need more hold space, you'd have had half a decent case of an extra 5m3..

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