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Infinity Ziona Minmatar Red Whine	Posted - 2010.10.23 11:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Infinity Ziona RAGE AND TEARS Next time you have an outburst, trap it for me in a bottle. We could make a fortune selling your angsty nerd-rage to some forum trolls. Now why would I be having an outburst? Never been suicided and never will be. Merely discussing this topic. Troll elsewhere. Bye. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.23 12:38:00 - [32] I AM NOT RANTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG ~_~
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.23 12:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Lady Spank I AM NOT RANTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GET THESE MOTHER**ING SUICIDE GANKERS OF THIS MOTHER**ING UNDOCK POINT -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.23 12:41:00 - [34] Edited by: Karia Sur on 23/10/2010 12:43:22 1 of the main problems imo is the old chestnut, ships killed by Concord shouldnt receive an insurance payout. Certainly wouldnt stop all of them, but some certainly wouldnt do it.
Kagan Storm Caldari Really Eccentric People Eat Alll The...	Posted - 2010.10.23 12:54:00 - [35] 1. Dock in jita 4-4 2. make a t2 riged hauler for max capacity 3. stuff it full of stuff you bought 4. undock 5. ????? 6. Gate camp avoided 7. Profit When you find a way to do 5. you win... In my personal experience its much more dangerous to jump into Jita system then out of it... Cause of all the AFK freighters on gate which brake your gate cloak... P.S. selling info on 5 for 10 mill convo ingame :)
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.10.23 13:21:00 - [36] Damn dirty Jita pirates. Always undercutting by 0.01 ISK! Won't somebody please think of the children!
Captain Sunnymuffins	Posted - 2010.10.23 14:05:00 - [37] Frankly, there's too much silly talk in here about "risk". A "risk" is failing to use the medium slots that CCP gave you with your ship. If goods are carried in an appropriate ship, the risk that you are taking is no more than that of a suicide ganker. The fact that you choose to take the risk is nobody's fault but your own. I take the risk that I might (and very often do) fail because I choose to do. For those of you reading this thread who are new to hauling and don't come with the expectation of being able to haul massive value on a light ship AFK, here are a few guidelines of what class of ship to use if you want to haul AFK safely in high sec: < 2 mil ISK - Shuttle < 5 mil ISK - Frigate with rudimentary tank * < 10 mil ISK - Destroyer with rudimentary tank * < 50 mil ISK - T1 industrial with rudimentary tank * < 120 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with rudimentary tank * < 300 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with advanced passive tank ** < 1.0 bil ISK - Freighter < 1.5 bil ISK - Jump Freighter * rudimentary tank means shield extenders in mid slots and perhaps a passive resistance module to cover your weakest shield resist. Armor tank could also be used but it will impact on your cargo capacity. ** advanced passive tank refers to fitting further tanking modules at the expense of cargo capacity in addition to the rudimentary tank. This will impact your cargo capacity to some degree. Shield tanks are preferable if you wish to AFK as they automatically regenerate if damaged. The Impel ship will require tanking of both shield and armour for this purpose due to limitations of its medium power slots. Please do bear in mind that this only applies to AFK hauling. Hauling while at the helm is much safer and will allow for far greater values to be transported in certain ship classes. If you can trust a suicide ganker offering help, then please follow the guidelines above.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Red Whine	Posted - 2010.10.23 15:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Captain Sunnymuffins Frankly, there's too much silly talk in here about "risk". A "risk" is failing to use the medium slots that CCP gave you with your ship. If goods are carried in an appropriate ship, the risk that you are taking is no more than that of a suicide ganker. The fact that you choose to take the risk is nobody's fault but your own. I take the risk that I might (and very often do) fail because I choose to do. For those of you reading this thread who are new to hauling and don't come with the expectation of being able to haul massive value on a light ship AFK, here are a few guidelines of what class of ship to use if you want to haul AFK safely in high sec: < 2 mil ISK - Shuttle < 5 mil ISK - Frigate with rudimentary tank * < 10 mil ISK - Destroyer with rudimentary tank * < 50 mil ISK - T1 industrial with rudimentary tank * < 120 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with rudimentary tank * < 300 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with advanced passive tank ** < 1.0 bil ISK - Freighter < 1.5 bil ISK - Jump Freighter * rudimentary tank means shield extenders in mid slots and perhaps a passive resistance module to cover your weakest shield resist. Armor tank could also be used but it will impact on your cargo capacity. advanced passive tank refers to fitting further tanking modules at the expense of cargo capacity in addition to the rudimentary tank. This will impact your cargo capacity to some degree. Shield tanks are preferable if you wish to AFK as they automatically regenerate if damaged. The Impel ship will require tanking of both shield and armour for this purpose due to limitations of its medium power slots. Please do bear in mind that this only applies to AFK hauling. Hauling while at the helm is much safer and will allow for far greater values to be transported in certain ship classes. If you can trust a suicide ganker offering help, then please follow the guidelines above. You miss the whole point. Requiring people to sit at their PC for every jump in high sec, to use scouts, or set up their high sec haulers like they're doing a low sec run is not a fix. Its a band-aid. Any buffer tanked hauler can be popped in empire for practically 0 isk and 0 risk if the tard on the suicide ship wants a laugh or think's they can make a quick buck. I had this same argument regarding the lofty scam. Same replies, many of the same people, it was fixed, this will be too. And I don't fly haulers, havent' hopped in one for a few years I think. But I don't like the attitude of suicide-rs and their ** poor excuses for doing it. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.23 15:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Captain Sunnymuffins Frankly, there's too much silly talk in here about "risk". A "risk" is failing to use the medium slots that CCP gave you with your ship. If goods are carried in an appropriate ship, the risk that you are taking is no more than that of a suicide ganker. The fact that you choose to take the risk is nobody's fault but your own. I take the risk that I might (and very often do) fail because I choose to do. For those of you reading this thread who are new to hauling and don't come with the expectation of being able to haul massive value on a light ship AFK, here are a few guidelines of what class of ship to use if you want to haul AFK safely in high sec: < 2 mil ISK - Shuttle < 5 mil ISK - Frigate with rudimentary tank * < 10 mil ISK - Destroyer with rudimentary tank * < 50 mil ISK - T1 industrial with rudimentary tank * < 120 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with rudimentary tank * < 300 mil ISK - Deep Space Transport with advanced passive tank ** < 1.0 bil ISK - Freighter < 1.5 bil ISK - Jump Freighter * rudimentary tank means shield extenders in mid slots and perhaps a passive resistance module to cover your weakest shield resist. Armor tank could also be used but it will impact on your cargo capacity. advanced passive tank refers to fitting further tanking modules at the expense of cargo capacity in addition to the rudimentary tank. This will impact your cargo capacity to some degree. Shield tanks are preferable if you wish to AFK as they automatically regenerate if damaged. The Impel ship will require tanking of both shield and armour for this purpose due to limitations of its medium power slots. Please do bear in mind that this only applies to AFK hauling. Hauling while at the helm is much safer and will allow for far greater values to be transported in certain ship classes. If you can trust a suicide ganker offering help, then please follow the guidelines above. You miss the whole point. Requiring people to sit at their PC for every jump in high sec, to use scouts, or set up their high sec haulers like they're doing a low sec run is not a fix. Its a band-aid. Any buffer tanked hauler can be popped in empire for practically 0 isk and 0 risk if the tard on the suicide ship wants a laugh or think's they can make a quick buck. I had this same argument regarding the lofty scam. Same replies, many of the same people, it was fixed, this will be too. And I don't fly haulers, havent' hopped in one for a few years I think. But I don't like the attitude of suicide-rs and their ** poor excuses for doing it. You are literally dumb...
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.23 15:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler You are literally dumb... Watch it Lark. (S)he might check the age on your character to determine whether you are entitled to have an opinion V_V ~~Recruiting!~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.23 16:16:00 - [41] I for one am happy to see Facsimile Failzona being terrible on the forums again. ~_~ [size=6][b][red][url="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403901&
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.10.23 16:24:00 - [42] In before: U MAD BRO? NO U CCP Zymurgist: NO U [thread locked]
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.23 16:37:00 - [43] Also insurance payouts won't be getting removed from ships killed by CONCORD. The CSM attempted to raise it and CCP said no, either due to coding or the fact that it's not just suicide gankers who lose ships to Concord.
Harrigan VonStudly Original Sin.	Posted - 2010.10.23 17:30:00 - [44] I see a whole lot of QQ about losing ships while auto piloting while afk. If you're too busy with life to actually sit and fly your ship in an online spaceship game where bad things can and will happen perhaps you "too busy to play the game and cry when those who do play the game" types should stick to console games where you can hit "pause". Just sayin'
Captain Sunnymuffins	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:04:00 - [45] Edited by: Captain Sunnymuffins on 23/10/2010 18:07:59 Originally by: Infinity Ziona You miss the whole point. Requiring people to sit at their PC for every jump in high sec, to use scouts, or set up their high sec haulers like they're doing a low sec run is not a fix. Its a band-aid. Any buffer tanked hauler can be popped in empire for practically 0 isk and 0 risk if the tard on the suicide ship wants a laugh or think's they can make a quick buck. I had this same argument regarding the lofty scam. Same replies, many of the same people, it was fixed, this will be too. And I don't fly haulers, havent' hopped in one for a few years I think. But I don't like the attitude of suicide-rs and their **** poor excuses for doing it. With all due respect you spout complete and utter rubbish. It costs very significant ISK to take down a well tanked hauler. Seems you've been away for so long that you're utterly oblivious to the insurance changes which have ensured a loss is made from every destroyed ship. If you want to test that theory, come over to Jita and try shooting down my Mastodon. I can leave it outside of station for you and everyone else to watch as you destroy it free of charge. edit: I'll even put 200 mil's worth of loot on it.
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:12:00 - [46] Whats amusing is that there are a few failsafe ways to haul massive amounts of valuables and people continue to fail at moving them. If it's not important if you lose it, then AP, if you take 5sec and can answer whether or not youd be upset if you lost it, then dock if you have to go afk. Ill continue to move billions through highsec.
IIIAsharakIII Hostile Takeover.	Posted - 2010.10.23 19:09:00 - [47] Not to sound like a lazy douche here. . . .but, being able to auto-pilot your hauler through high-sec space doesn't (and didn't) make eve online such a hello kitty mushy mushy lame patsy ridden game you think it was(is). In fact, there are SOOOOO many other things in eve which are SOOOOOO much more enjoyable to do. And making me pilot an iteron mark V through 22 jumps of BORING just to pick up some mods is ******ED. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you're breaking the game, I just think what you do is incredibly boring and I would have probably taken up tennis or racketball at this point if what you do in this game was all there was to be done.
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.10.23 20:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Lady Spank its a self fulfilling prophecy, your greed is your downfail. kthxbai. Speaking of Prophecy, Transport anything small in one, or a Drake. I see one more untanked hauler mail and I am gonna join in! You know it's just like shooting whomprats back home ....
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.10.23 20:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Captain Sunnymuffins Oh look, it was me :-) Since you decided to make a forum topic about it, let's see where you went wrong: You flew an untanked cloaky hauler AFK into Jita loaded with goods. As I always advise people who get back to me about ganks: Fly a more secure ship. If you want to fly a cloaky hauler, fine, but fly it CLOAKED and not AFK. If you want to fly AFK with a hundred mil's worth of goods, choose a deep space transport over a cloaky hauler. Deep space transports are much sturdier. Just don't forget to add some form of passive tanking to it. Usually cover your weakest resistance with a passive module then add shield extenders or armour plates on it. That's about it. If you spent as long thinking about how to fit your ship as you did making this post, you wouldn't have had this problem in the first place. ps. you should have paid duty on your imported goods. Oh and separate all of your cargo into stacks of 1 so as to really annoy people. Both those that are cargo scanning and the people reading the killmail. Griefing. Not just for in-game.
D DD	Posted - 2010.10.23 21:31:00 - [50] I agree with you completely. The autopilot feature should be removed from the game so this sort of suicide ganking does not happen again. By the way, was this you?
Flesh Slurper	Posted - 2010.10.23 21:48:00 - [51] lol... I have been scanned many times at gates and on station and only one single time in my EVE career has someone attempted to suicide gank me. Their ship ended up getting eaten by Concord, and my ship ended up safely at it's destination. I think the issue isn't the mechanics but the skill of the hauler.. and I am not talking skill points. Also, a lot of pilots are killed in Jita simply because their corp is at war, and they are too lazy to go somewhere else or use a neutral alt to shop with. In the end, if you are lazy.. if you don't pay attention.. if you haul stuff that is too valuable for the tank of your ship... you are asking to be killed.
ICU Andshutup Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.23 22:59:00 - [52] Uh, could the talking heads and those spouting the 'you are doing it wrong line' in here please explain how a -10 toon could even survive long enough to gank anyone in a 0.9 system irrespective if they were AFK or not? My understanding was that unless they were in a pod (stupid that too) anyone considered an outlaw is fired on by Concord. You are telling me this outlaw toon jumped into Jita in a pod, docked up and fitted out a ganking boat, insured it, undocked, jumped around like a mexican jumping bean avoiding Concord for a set period of time, was then able to jump to a gate, pick a target out amongst the dozens that regularly hang at the gate trolling and then gank it? Right. Nothing wrong there. Everything working according to design.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Red Whine	Posted - 2010.10.24 01:04:00 - [53] Originally by: ICU Andshutup Edited by: ICU Andshutup on 23/10/2010 23:06:31 Uh, could the talking heads and those spouting the 'you are doing it wrong line' in here please explain how a -10 toon could even survive long enough to gank anyone in a 0.9 system irrespective of the victim being AFK or not? My understanding was that unless they were in a pod (stupid that too) anyone considered an outlaw is fired on by Concord. You are telling me this outlaw toon jumped into Jita in a pod, docked up and fitted out a ganking boat, insured it, undocked, jumped around like a mexican jumping bean avoiding Concord for a set period of time, was then able to jump to a gate, pick a target out amongst the dozens that regularly hang at the gate trolling and then gank it? Right. Nothing wrong there. Everything working according to design. The suicide gankers can't answer cus they're busy manually flying their ships. My guess is alt scanned the ship, which was afk at jita jump in. Alt went and got a ship n parked it near the afk hauler. -10 jumped in ship and hit smartbombs. -10 then LOL'ed and ROLFed in local to make sure everyone knew how aweful he was. No one cared cause they're all aweful in Jita. -10 logged and had his baffy n got tucked in by mommy and giggled into his pillow. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Talus DeMedici Caldari UINVERSAL INC The AsYluM.	Posted - 2010.10.24 02:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: ICU Andshutup Edited by: ICU Andshutup on 23/10/2010 23:06:31 Uh, could the talking heads and those spouting the 'you are doing it wrong line' in here please explain how a -10 toon could even survive long enough to gank anyone in a 0.9 system irrespective of the victim being AFK or not? My understanding was that unless they were in a pod (stupid that too) anyone considered an outlaw is fired on by Concord. You are telling me this outlaw toon jumped into Jita in a pod, docked up and fitted out a ganking boat, insured it, undocked, jumped around like a mexican jumping bean avoiding Concord for a set period of time, was then able to jump to a gate, pick a target out amongst the dozens that regularly hang at the gate trolling and then gank it? Right. Nothing wrong there. Everything working according to design. The suicide gankers can't answer cus they're busy manually flying their ships. My guess is alt scanned the ship, which was afk at jita jump in. Alt went and got a ship n parked it near the afk hauler. -10 jumped in ship and hit smartbombs. -10 then LOL'ed and ROLFed in local to make sure everyone knew how aweful he was. No one cared cause they're all aweful in Jita. -10 logged and had his baffy n got tucked in by mommy and giggled into his pillow. If that is the case there is a REAL easy fix for that. Anyone with a -7 or lower sec status that enters high sec in a pod (or any other ship if they are stupid enough to try it and Concord or Gate Guns don't get them first) automatically gets flagged so that anyone can attack them and not receive a sec status hit. This would still leave ganking possible but would make the gankers be more careful and give the carebears a chance to fight back. You could even give them a special color, like pink, to denote their "special" status. I mean, come on, if you see a flashy pink in our display wouldn't you want to kill it too?
fhyuiowauhsipabraphsprai	Posted - 2010.10.24 03:34:00 - [55] Edited by: fhyuiowauhsipabraphsprai on 24/10/2010 03:35:13 where Captain Sunnymuffins is Sent: 2010.10.24 The scumsucker is located at Jita VI - Hyasyoda Corporation Refinery station in the Jita system, Kimotoro constellation of The Forge region. hmm, i think there is something broken with a -10 being allowed to dock or for that matter permacamp a .9 sec system
SunGod RA Endless Destruction	Posted - 2010.10.24 05:43:00 - [56] GUYS GUYS GUYS HOW ABOUT A COURIER CONTRACT SYSTEM WITH COLLATERAL AND REWARD MECHANICS THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE OFFLOAD SOME OF THE RISK INHERENT TO HAULING ONTO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE AND FIT A SHIP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE JOB GETS PROPERLY DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE DYING HORRIBLY AND TERRIBLE THREADS GETTING TOASTED OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME WHERE IS MY CSM DELEGATE CSMMMMMMMM JEEBUS GET ON IT!!!!! !!! !! ! !
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.10.24 08:03:00 - [57] Originally by: SunGod RA GUYS GUYS GUYS HOW ABOUT A COURIER CONTRACT SYSTEM WITH COLLATERAL AND REWARD MECHANICS THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE OFFLOAD SOME OF THE RISK INHERENT TO HAULING ONTO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE AND FIT A SHIP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE JOB GETS PROPERLY DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE DYING HORRIBLY AND TERRIBLE THREADS GETTING TOASTED OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME WHERE IS MY CSM DELEGATE CSMMMMMMMM JEEBUS GET ON IT!!!!! !!! !! ! ! All these people here yelling at OP "you should have taken precautions blah blah blah" Fact is ganking is a game mech that I think is valid with that said, A -10 PLAYER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO UNDOCK AND SUICIDE A PLAYER IN HIGH SEC PERIOD!!! that part of the game is broken period!! Where is the CSM on that little tid bit And yes there are ways of getting cargo through any sec space...
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.24 08:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Cole Y0unger Originally by: SunGod RA GUYS GUYS GUYS HOW ABOUT A COURIER CONTRACT SYSTEM WITH COLLATERAL AND REWARD MECHANICS THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE OFFLOAD SOME OF THE RISK INHERENT TO HAULING ONTO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE AND FIT A SHIP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE JOB GETS PROPERLY DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE DYING HORRIBLY AND TERRIBLE THREADS GETTING TOASTED OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME WHERE IS MY CSM DELEGATE CSMMMMMMMM JEEBUS GET ON IT!!!!! !!! !! ! ! All these people here yelling at OP "you should have taken precautions blah blah blah" Fact is ganking is a game mech that I think is valid with that said, A -10 PLAYER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO UNDOCK AND SUICIDE A PLAYER IN HIGH SEC PERIOD!!! that part of the game is broken period!! Where is the CSM on that little tid bit And yes there are ways of getting cargo through any sec space... Yes lets add restrictions to EVE it is much too free for people who go out of their way to organize something extraordinary at the expense of people who don't think before they undock. /sarcasm ~~Recruiting!~~
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.10.24 09:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: Cole Y0unger Originally by: SunGod RA GUYS GUYS GUYS HOW ABOUT A COURIER CONTRACT SYSTEM WITH COLLATERAL AND REWARD MECHANICS THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE OFFLOAD SOME OF THE RISK INHERENT TO HAULING ONTO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE AND FIT A SHIP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE JOB GETS PROPERLY DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE DYING HORRIBLY AND TERRIBLE THREADS GETTING TOASTED OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME WHERE IS MY CSM DELEGATE CSMMMMMMMM JEEBUS GET ON IT!!!!! !!! !! ! ! All these people here yelling at OP "you should have taken precautions blah blah blah" Fact is ganking is a game mech that I think is valid with that said, A -10 PLAYER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO UNDOCK AND SUICIDE A PLAYER IN HIGH SEC PERIOD!!! that part of the game is broken period!! Where is the CSM on that little tid bit And yes there are ways of getting cargo through any sec space... Yes lets add restrictions to EVE it is much too free for people who go out of their way to organize something extraordinary at the expense of people who don't think before they undock. /sarcasm What are you blabering about???? if you choose to go -10 which im good with you forfiet your right to go to high sec......go do your extrordinary stuff in low sec, no one made that pilot go to -10 but your saying -10 means you can do what you like in any sec space? as it is now you can and that is where i say its broken. I also said that i agree that ganking is ok and that people should protect themselfs
Ynon	Posted - 2010.10.24 09:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Cole Y0unger Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: Cole Y0unger Originally by: SunGod RA GUYS GUYS GUYS HOW ABOUT A COURIER CONTRACT SYSTEM WITH COLLATERAL AND REWARD MECHANICS THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE OFFLOAD SOME OF THE RISK INHERENT TO HAULING ONTO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE AND FIT A SHIP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE JOB GETS PROPERLY DONE WITHOUT PEOPLE DYING HORRIBLY AND TERRIBLE THREADS GETTING TOASTED OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME WHERE IS MY CSM DELEGATE CSMMMMMMMM JEEBUS GET ON IT!!!!! !!! !! ! ! All these people here yelling at OP "you should have taken precautions blah blah blah" Fact is ganking is a game mech that I think is valid with that said, A -10 PLAYER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO UNDOCK AND SUICIDE A PLAYER IN HIGH SEC PERIOD!!! that part of the game is broken period!! Where is the CSM on that little tid bit And yes there are ways of getting cargo through any sec space... Yes lets add restrictions to EVE it is much too free for people who go out of their way to organize something extraordinary at the expense of people who don't think before they undock. /sarcasm What are you blabering about???? if you choose to go -10 which im good with you forfiet your right to go to high sec... Bull****.

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