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Arkhanah Land
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:04:00 -
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Dear All,
Jita has always been full of scams and dubious practise, however now the outlaws have moved in. So I have two simple questions to ask of you;
1. Should an outlaw (someone who is -5 to -10) be able to dock in hi sec?
2. Should Insurance payout for suicide kills?
I start by notifying you of my interests, by my stating that within the last month i have been caught twice by the smartbomb phoon and geddons, sadly (do i mean that) my life means I cannot sit watching the computer screen at all times, and so occasionally I have to leave it. To come back to a new clone is somewhat annoying at the best of times but when you are sat in what is considered hisec then it becomes a little more than that. I didnÆt petition the first time as it was in 0.5 the guy who killed me was -10. On Wednesday night it was in Jita, again by a -10 who will be sat there tonight and every night in Moon IV Caldari Navy station. Foolishly I petitioned the situation to receive a customer cut and paste service I so truly love.
When I started playing the game suicide kills were rare but now with the advent of cheap T1 ships they are common place. Why? because you can insure the ship and get more money than you paid for the ship fitting and insurance top up. If EvE is meant to be a community in space with the worlds only "hyper-capitalist market" how does our friendly insurance company keep on rewarding those involved in criminal acts? In my view its an exploit which CCP perpetuates and permits by lazy programming and lack of thought. If anyone other than people like me (ie devs etc) read this stuff then you might want to decide what service and merchandise are you expecting me to buy here? Can you clarify whether hi sec is now a free for all like low sec? Concord/navy being totally ineffectual. Sort out game mechanics rather than add new whizz bang things.
I urge everyone who is effected by hi sec ganks to petition CCP on a daily basis seeking reimbursement, they can't give me the two hours i lost getting stuff back, due to a game that is broken, but they can replace it for me and you with no loss of face to them. If that doesnÆt work then the alternative is to join the hi sec gankers. It wont take long to train a tier 1 BS equipped with smart bombs and cap boosters. CCP doesnÆt care, so let us all act like teenagers and smart bomb Jita folks!!
Here is a link of how many die by one groups hands daily as you can see its now endemic in Jita
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Atomik Harmonik
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:06:00 -
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however now the outlaws have moved in
not exactly 'new' news here...it comes and goes in cycles, but they've been in Jita and other trade hubs for a very long time.
Wasn't there even a story about some group shutting down Yulai, before Jita was JITA!!!???
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:09:00 -
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Hmm, name, portrait and butthurtness about high sec suicide ganks all ring a bell ... I just can't quite put my finger on it.
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kiki mo
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:24:00 -
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#1. "QQ" CRY MOAR, YOUR TEARS FUEL MY SHIP...um wait, I don't suicide gank...yet...this post makes me want to try
#2. Stop being such a victim; tank your hauler. I looked up your lossmail on Battleclinic, you were flying an untanked viator. Not exactly the smartest thing to do when hauling 100m worth of datacores.
#3. you lost 100m worth of datacores...free datacores...you didn't really lose anything at all except for your untanked ship. You have a lot of 'butthurtedness' for simply losing a ship...just sayin'
#4. Expect to lose your ship every time you undock. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and be even MORE PARANOID when hauling something to/from Jita...that's just common sense.
#5. You mentioned that the guy is -10...go back and shoot him if he's still sitting in space all nice and red
tl;dr Stop whining about something you could have prevented
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:26:00 -
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stop carebearing and building ships for these evil gankers then they cant afford to do the blow ups hurr durr. also dont go to jita dummy. its a self fulfilling prophecy, your greed is your downfail. kthxbai.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
its a self fulfilling prophecy, your greed is your downfail. kthxbai.
Speaking of Prophecy, Transport anything small in one, or a Drake.
I see one more untanked hauler mail and I am gonna join in!
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Slevnin
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Posted - 2010.10.22 19:39:00 -
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Try these simple solutions
1. Haul in a stronger Hull
2. Don't Haul AFK if you can't be at the computer do PI for your isk
3. Players do what makes them happy, find your niche.....suicide gankers found thiers
Now for my strongest point
If Jita has a Endemic STFO, I know I sure would.
adapt or die,
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Captain Sunnymuffins
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Posted - 2010.10.22 20:27:00 -
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Oh look, it was me :-)
Since you decided to make a forum topic about it, let's see where you went wrong:
You flew an untanked cloaky hauler AFK into Jita loaded with goods.
As I always advise people who get back to me about ganks: Fly a more secure ship. If you want to fly a cloaky hauler, fine, but fly it CLOAKED and not AFK. If you want to fly AFK with a hundred mil's worth of goods, choose a deep space transport over a cloaky hauler. Deep space transports are much sturdier. Just don't forget to add some form of passive tanking to it. Usually cover your weakest resistance with a passive module then add shield extenders or armour plates on it.
That's about it. If you spent as long thinking about how to fit your ship as you did making this post, you wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.
ps. you should have paid duty on your imported goods.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:05:00 -
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This happens on a daily basis. The only crime here is you posting a baww thread about it. Punishment being considered.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.10.23 02:03:00 -
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THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arkhanah Land
Dear All,
Jita has always been full of scams and dubious practise, however now the outlaws have moved in. So I have two simple questions to ask of you;
1. Should an outlaw (someone who is -5 to -10) be able to dock in hi sec?
2. Should Insurance payout for suicide kills?
I start by notifying you of my interests, by my stating that within the last month i have been caught twice by the smartbomb phoon and geddons, sadly (do i mean that) my life means I cannot sit watching the computer screen at all times, and so occasionally I have to leave it. To come back to a new clone is somewhat annoying at the best of times but when you are sat in what is considered hisec then it becomes a little more than that. I didnÆt petition the first time as it was in 0.5 the guy who killed me was -10. On Wednesday night it was in Jita, again by a -10 who will be sat there tonight and every night in Moon IV Caldari Navy station. Foolishly I petitioned the situation to receive a customer cut and paste service I so truly love.
When I started playing the game suicide kills were rare but now with the advent of cheap T1 ships they are common place. Why? because you can insure the ship and get more money than you paid for the ship fitting and insurance top up. If EvE is meant to be a community in space with the worlds only "hyper-capitalist market" how does our friendly insurance company keep on rewarding those involved in criminal acts? In my view its an exploit which CCP perpetuates and permits by lazy programming and lack of thought. If anyone other than people like me (ie devs etc) read this stuff then you might want to decide what service and merchandise are you expecting me to buy here? Can you clarify whether hi sec is now a free for all like low sec? Concord/navy being totally ineffectual. Sort out game mechanics rather than add new whizz bang things.
I urge everyone who is effected by hi sec ganks to petition CCP on a daily basis seeking reimbursement, they can't give me the two hours i lost getting stuff back, due to a game that is broken, but they can replace it for me and you with no loss of face to them. If that doesnÆt work then the alternative is to join the hi sec gankers. It wont take long to train a tier 1 BS equipped with smart bombs and cap boosters. CCP doesnÆt care, so let us all act like teenagers and smart bomb Jita folks!!
Here is a link of how many die by one groups hands daily as you can see its now endemic in Jita
Agreed. A viator should not be getting killed in a 0.9 system by a -10 player.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.10.23 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sunnymuffins
Oh look, it was me :-)
Since you decided to make a forum topic about it, let's see where you went wrong:
You flew an untanked cloaky hauler AFK into Jita loaded with goods.
As I always advise people who get back to me about ganks: Fly a more secure ship. If you want to fly a cloaky hauler, fine, but fly it CLOAKED and not AFK. If you want to fly AFK with a hundred mil's worth of goods, choose a deep space transport over a cloaky hauler. Deep space transports are much sturdier. Just don't forget to add some form of passive tanking to it. Usually cover your weakest resistance with a passive module then add shield extenders or armour plates on it.
That's about it. If you spent as long thinking about how to fit your ship as you did making this post, you wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.
ps. you should have paid duty on your imported goods.
This.
Ironically, Captain Snuffymittins is actually the one providing the community a service here.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 05:17:00 -
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Quote:
Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. If you want piracy, go into areas where it is supported and encouraged, areas that are 0.4 and less. Don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't supposed to do it easily. That's the whole point of high security.
Enough said... High sec space is broken at the moment and needs a good fix.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.23 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 23/10/2010 05:28:17
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Quote:
Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. If you want piracy, go into areas where it is supported and encouraged, areas that are 0.4 and less. Don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't supposed to do it easily. That's the whole point of high security.
Enough said... High sec space is broken at the moment and needs a good fix.
Rebolded the correct parts.
The Ganker looses there ship. A pilot who is not AFK and tanks there ship accordingly is safe.
Etheir L2Tank or play a different game. Before you insinuate no I have never suicided someone or been suicided but if I do I deserve it for not taking proper security measures.
Stop wishing for EVE easymode it is never coming no matter how many old Dev quotes you dig up.
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 23/10/2010 05:38:15
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 23/10/2010 05:28:17
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Quote:
Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. If you want piracy, go into areas where it is supported and encouraged, areas that are 0.4 and less. Don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't supposed to do it easily. That's the whole point of high security.
Enough said... High sec space is broken at the moment and needs a good fix.
Rebolded the correct parts.
The Ganker looses there ship. A pilot who is not AFK and tanks there ship accordingly is safe.
Etheir L2Tank or play a different game. Before you insinuate no I have never suicided someone or been suicided but if I do I deserve it for not taking proper security measures.
Stop wishing for EVE easymode it is never coming no matter how many old Dev quotes you dig up.
The suicide in question was in a 0.9, not a 0.6. It has nothing to do with wishing Ezymode EvE, it has to do with game balance. Like the DEVELOPER said, and I have not seen any other developer post to state otherwise - "High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe", it did not say "High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe with a full combat tank".
The only people wishing for EZYmode are the gankers who don't want to a) declare war to get kills (tooo hard), b) go to low sec to get kills (tooo hard) or c) go to 0.0 to get kills (oh noes tooo hard again).
I'll agree with you but show me a post from a developer that says what your trying to say. There are none.
I also believe you are wrong, suiciding will be nerfed.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.23 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The suicide in question was in a 0.9, not a 0.6. It has nothing to do with wishing Ezymode EvE, it has to do with game balance. Like the DEVELOPER said, and I have not seen any other developer post to state otherwise - "High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe", it did not say "High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe with a full combat tank".
The only people wishing for EZYmode are the gankers who don't want to a) declare war to get kills (tooo hard), b) go to low sec to get kills (tooo hard) or c) go to 0.0 to get kills (oh noes tooo hard again).
I'll agree with you but show me a post from a developer that says what your trying to say. There are none.
I also believe you are wrong, suiciding will be nerfed.
Aside from everything what does quite safe mean then. Take your an NPC Corp Hauler alt what does the Quite mean to him.
It definatly does not mean invincible because no where in EVE is safe.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=577
A dev blog on suicide ganking from Empyrean Age long after your qoute.
To late they fixed it lol. But seriously they said they would nerf it by removing Insurence in Concord kills as well but this has yet to happen. That I support but ganking is definatly here to stay, since the Devs lauded Hulkageddon as the power of there open universe.
They are not gonna back track a feature they brag about.
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.10.23 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Joe McAlt on 23/10/2010 06:58:33
You went AFK in an untanked hauler at Jita 4-4. Did you sit at the station motionless with 100 mil on board for several min?
When I go there, I'm in and out as fast as possible with a pre made insta warp and bookmarked docking spot. I dont stay long enough to gather interest, let alone moss.
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Arkhanah Land
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Posted - 2010.10.23 07:29:00 -
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Amazing people think they have seen my name or my portrait and threats of violence to me. I have played this game for 5plus years and have multiple accounts where some manufacture, some fight, some pirate. This was my first ever post. For those who are whinging about my whinge and telling me to "tough it upö see above and yes I understand the concepts of tanking etc. The whinge (final two paras) is directed to my personal issue, apologies for that; but the main point of the post is aimed at what has now become too common place, namely the suicide gank and what fuels it. I would suggest to those that deride my comments that they actually read the questions raised and following two paras, please consider those rather than the final two paragraphs. Of which I admit are a personal whinge about something that has affected me, but from looking at the game news and kill boards is affecting many others.
Like I said I didn't petition or moan about a 0.5 suicide gank, I accept the game mechanics as would appear to be intended but they have not evolved to meet matters like the cost deflation in ships and mods since inception and wholly fail when they meet a players ability to exploit the loop holes surrounding the lack of evolution. If you choose the life of an outlaw thatÆs cool, but it should mean more than just a flashy image on screen.
The points of my post is that in the normal operation of EvE if i choose to fly in hi sec I should not have to fly every jump as though itÆs a warzone, sitting slavishly at the monitor all the time neglecting other aspects of my actual life. I accept that suicide ganks can and will occur but they should be an exception rather than a norm, hence the funding issue, and if I do get suicide killed, then in hi sec it shouldnÆt be to -10 toons who are described as outlaws in the game, but the acquirement of that name seems have no detrimental effect as it should when compared to what it actually means to be an outlaw.
Instead of personal assaults and rather childish, small minded, tough it up posts (maybe thatÆs why the game has gone downhill in the last 2-3 years) you should consider the questions raised, and reply with something constructive. If Eve was meant to be a warzone and I was meant to fly a viator with a full tank in hi sec space then concord, sentry guns and war decs would be pointless and accordingly would not exist there.
If you all want a lawless uni-game-verse that is EvE, fair enough, I have been playing the wrong game for me for the last 5 and a half years. But I donÆt think that is what was originally envisaged or what the game is meant to be. As I would like to see the balance readdressed I posted my comments here as a good subscriber ought, according to customer service, in the vain hope for a dev seeing it and acting on it.
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Arkhanah Land
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Posted - 2010.10.23 07:47:00 -
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I had arrived in Jita through the gate at some point in time, I hadn't even got to the station, yes I had auto-piloted there, but this is high sec so that should not be frowned upon apart from by the hardcore in any event that was not an issue. I had RL issues to deal with so was afk. I accept that I was therefore a target. My issue, as stated, is not so much ôI got suicide gankedö but that it was by a -10 in a 0.9, and as a second item the issue of funding which perpetuates the suicide gank, insurance payouts.
I agree that suicides won't be removed, i donÆt think it should either. The issue is that the game has mechanics issues identified, but not acted on; while useless new whizz bang bits like walking in a station, PI etc are being developed. I enjoy the game but without investment in keeping mechanics up to date the game will reach a point of stagnation that no amount of whizz bang can repair.
If I cannot beat the suicide crowd then I am more than happy to join them and speed the degradation of the game up.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.23 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 23/10/2010 08:52:02
Originally by: Arkhanah Land
I had arrived in Jita through the gate at some point in time, I hadn't even got to the station, yes I had auto-piloted there, but this is high sec so that should not be frowned upon apart from by the hardcore in any event that was not an issue. I had RL issues to deal with so was afk. I accept that I was therefore a target. My issue, as stated, is not so much ôI got suicide gankedö but that it was by a -10 in a 0.9, and as a second item the issue of funding which perpetuates the suicide gank, insurance payouts.
I agree that suicides won't be removed, i donÆt think it should either. The issue is that the game has mechanics issues identified, but not acted on; while useless new whizz bang bits like walking in a station, PI etc are being developed. I enjoy the game but without investment in keeping mechanics up to date the game will reach a point of stagnation that no amount of whizz bang can repair.
If I cannot beat the suicide crowd then I am more than happy to join them and speed the degradation of the game up.
You didn't take precautions and were away from the helm. The red flashy suicide ganker DID take precautions as he had to go to great lengths to organize him being able to do what he did and where he did it, and most certainly WAS at the helm to be able to pull this off.
Working as intended and instead of blaming game mechanics you should try to blame yourself for a change and perhaps, LEARN A LESSON FROM IT SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU AGAIN.
Autopiloting in a badly tanked ship with valuable cargo = death. As it should be. If not by a red, a couple of non reds would have gotten you eventually while doing stuff like that.
I for one HIGHLY VALUE the fact that you are really nowhere completely safe in EVE and that you have to use your COMMON SENSE AND WIT to go about and conduct your business safely rather than push an autopilot button and go afk. This adds purpose and flavour to even mindless hauling in high sec.
Whatever you do and wherever you go in EVE, you have the choice to be a victim or take some precautions to prevent it.
LEARN OR DIE (ingame)
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ran Khanon
Edited by: Ran Khanon on 23/10/2010 08:52:02
Originally by: Arkhanah Land
I had arrived in Jita through the gate at some point in time, I hadn't even got to the station, yes I had auto-piloted there, but this is high sec so that should not be frowned upon apart from by the hardcore in any event that was not an issue. I had RL issues to deal with so was afk. I accept that I was therefore a target. My issue, as stated, is not so much ôI got suicide gankedö but that it was by a -10 in a 0.9, and as a second item the issue of funding which perpetuates the suicide gank, insurance payouts.
I agree that suicides won't be removed, i donÆt think it should either. The issue is that the game has mechanics issues identified, but not acted on; while useless new whizz bang bits like walking in a station, PI etc are being developed. I enjoy the game but without investment in keeping mechanics up to date the game will reach a point of stagnation that no amount of whizz bang can repair.
If I cannot beat the suicide crowd then I am more than happy to join them and speed the degradation of the game up.
You didn't take precautions and were away from the helm. The red flashy suicide ganker DID take precautions as he had to go to great lengths to organize him being able to do what he did and where he did it, and most certainly WAS at the helm to be able to pull this off.
Working as intended and instead of blaming game mechanics you should try to blame yourself for a change and perhaps, LEARN A LESSON FROM IT SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU AGAIN.
Autopiloting in a badly tanked ship with valuable cargo = death. As it should be. If not by a red, a couple of non reds would have gotten you eventually while doing stuff like that.
I for one HIGHLY VALUE the fact that you are really nowhere completely safe in EVE and that you have to use your COMMON SENSE AND WIT to go about and conduct your business safely rather than push an autopilot button and go afk. This adds purpose and flavour to even mindless hauling in high sec.
Whatever you do and wherever you go in EVE, you have the choice to be a victim or take some precautions to prevent it.
LEARN OR DIE (ingame)
100 million isk of cargo is not valuable cargo. Its barely the cost of the viator. Its less then double the cost of the suiciders ship + fittings and insurance.
I guess everyone should now be flying around with a maximum of 20 million in cargo otherwise needing to cloak and tank every jump just in case some ****** alt decides to suicide on them.
The game is not working as intended, its obvious from the quote I posted and the link on suicide ganking dev blog that its not working as intended.
Merely stating something is working as intended does not make it so. Merely hoping that the devs don't change it so you can get your risk free ganks does not make it so either.
The reason this gank happened is there was no penalty for the ganker. He's already -10 so sec loss is not an issue even with the pod. He gets full insurance so even if the cargo goes up in smoke its a minor loss only and he gets his risk free failageddon killmail.
Win Win for the risk free ganker. Major risk for the person that's playing the game as intended especially with the pod going too.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
100 million isk of cargo is not valuable cargo.
Apparently it is valuable enough for some.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Its barely the cost of the viator.
Sweet T2 killmail + chance on some extra tens of millions in salvage.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Its less then double the cost of the suiciders ship + fittings and insurance.
I doubt that. I would typically lose around 15 million when suiciding an arty Apoc and often you can save half of your fit.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I guess everyone should now be flying around with a maximum of 20 million in cargo otherwise needing to cloak and tank every jump just in case some ****** alt decides to suicide on them.
Ah, seems you are learning already. You don't need to cloak AND tank though. Usually one of those would suffice in highsec. Just never autopilot with valuable cargo in a ship without a fat buffer.
This is the reality in EVE as it stands. Concerning insurance payouts: CCP has given this topic ample thought and we had an overhaul on those some months ago. Working as recently intended. They might adjust the values in the future but it would affect the amount of suicide ganks and the value of cargo to be considered a pray just marginally. Unless they would get rid off insurance payouts on ships killed by concord altogether. But as far as I know we haven't gotten any hint that they might consider that.
Learn, adapt and deal with it, rather than blaming the game for your own mistakes. This is not a fluffy fantasy game with risk free areas for us to fly around in. After undocking that is.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 23/10/2010 10:30:42
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
100 million isk of cargo is not valuable cargo.
Apparently it is valuable enough for some.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Its barely the cost of the viator.
Sweet T2 killmail + chance on some extra tens of millions in salvage.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Its less then double the cost of the suiciders ship + fittings and insurance.
I doubt that. I would typically lose around 15 million when suiciding an arty Apoc and often you can save half of your fit.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I guess everyone should now be flying around with a maximum of 20 million in cargo otherwise needing to cloak and tank every jump just in case some ****** alt decides to suicide on them.
Ah, seems you are learning already. You don't need to cloak AND tank though. Usually one of those would suffice in highsec. Just never autopilot with valuable cargo in a ship without a fat buffer.
This is the reality in EVE as it stands. Concerning insurance payouts: CCP has given this topic ample thought and we had an overhaul on those some months ago. Working as recently intended. They might adjust the values in the future but it would affect the amount of suicide ganks and the value of cargo to be considered a pray just marginally. Unless they would get rid off insurance payouts on ships killed by concord altogether. But as far as I know we haven't gotten any hint that they might consider that.
Learn, adapt and deal with it, rather than blaming the game for your own mistakes. This is not a fluffy fantasy game with risk free areas for us to fly around in. After undocking that is.
I have never been suicided and never will be. That does not mean I need to agree or want to agree that this is anything but another sad semi-carebear tactic that wannabe pirates use to get risk free kills.
It is not working as intended if people who are not supposed to be in high sec in battleships are in high sec in battleships killing people with no risk to themselves and no punishment for their actions.
PS I don't need a 2009 char to educate me either.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 23/10/2010 10:41:59
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
It is not working as intended if people who are not supposed to be in high sec in battleships are in high sec in battleships killing people with no risk to themselves and no punishment for their actions.
Being able to be shot and killed by anyone does not constitute "no risk".
Losing your ship does not constitute "no punishment".
And to add one: being able to still get juicy ganks while being flashy red in highsec certainly does not constitute "no effort". As those that pull this off have gone to great lengths to organize it. More effort then tanking your hauler, picking a better buffered ship instead for low volume high value stuff or not using autopilot.
With just a few precautions anyone can prevent or at least minimize the chance on being ganked. Working as intended. Adapt or die (ingame).
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Hagrad Wulfbane
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ran Khanon
Unless they would get rid off insurance payouts on ships killed by concord altogether. But as far as I know we haven't gotten any hint that they might consider that.
Learn, adapt and deal with it, rather than blaming the game for your own mistakes. This is not a fluffy fantasy game with risk free areas for us to fly around in. After undocking that is.
I think this proves quite a lot about you, clearly you do no research, and you donÆt read posts, but you do just issue your opinion without much, if any, thought. Had you read the posts, someone kindly linked a Dev report into the situation from a few years ago. The promise by the Devs? insurance payouts for concord kills was to be removed in the near future.
As for risk free, maybe you want to expand on that. Not many games are risk free and people wouldnÆt play games that had no risk. The point being made as far as I understand it, although your tunnel vision prevents you from seeing it, is that it is accepted there is the risk of losing a ship and contents to other players throughout the game, but there must be some area of law and order to oppose that. That area was meant to be hi sec, however player changes to the game such as lower costs of ships are now impinging on the game mechanics. The risk to a player seeking to contravene the hi sec laws are much less, to the point that it is now risk free, in fact for some losing their ship to concord earns them a modest amount of money. Ergo there is imbalance in the law and order and so as a direct result imbalance in the game and it is that that needs to be dealt with.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
PS I don't need a 2009 char to educate me either.
Oh god tell me this is a resurrection of the REAL Infinity Failzona.
Obviously you DO need to be informed because your idea of how this game is 'supposed to work' is laughable.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Red Whine
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Posted - 2010.10.23 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
PS I don't need a 2009 char to educate me either.
Oh god tell me this is a resurrection of the REAL Infinity Failzona.
Obviously you DO need to be informed because your idea of how this game is 'supposed to work' is laughable.
Yawn
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.23 11:05:00 -
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Personally I think suicide gankers are just playing the game i.e lazzily but hey it's the sand box...I was ganked (Well my main) after loading grid no afk, had stabs, was taking every percaution (except full tank  )and i load grid insta pop...
Ok with that said there are sec status limits for entering certain sec lvl space, but you can get your pod in without gettin blown up...Well I suggest that for sec status that meets the ingame system sec staus allowable entry limits if you exceed say -5 you cant go into a certain space then the gates should be locked to that player.
And if you get your sec status below the allowable sec staus of the system you are in you will be expelled the the sec status coresponding to your current sec status.....And let the fools gank away and have fun as it is there is no reason that a -10 can still get in a ship in a .9 and have time to suicide a p[layer so yeah its broken
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.23 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
RAGE AND TEARS
Next time you have an outburst, trap it for me in a bottle. We could make a fortune selling your angsty nerd-rage to some forum trolls.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.23 11:13:00 -
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Too much idiocy in this thread to quote one by one. 
Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it?
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