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Deen Wispa
Gallente
GHF Corperation
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Posted - 2010.10.23 01:45:00 -
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What's the point in training specific ore processing skills if I have Refinery Efficiency to 5 and that gives me 100% refinement?
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.23 02:46:00 -
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Because RE 5 only gives around 99.5%. You have to have at least [ore specific skill] to 1 to get 100% without using a refining implant.
Also if you use a 35% base station then you will need it as you will lose a lot of minerals from waste compared to most NPC stations which at 50% base refining.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.23 05:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Deen Wispa
What's the point in training specific ore processing skills if I have Refinery Efficiency to 5 and that gives me 100% refinement?
50% facilities + Refining 5 + Refinery Efficiency 5 + 2% Refining Implant = 100% yield
The only reasons to train the material specialization skills:
* T1 mining crystals (level 3 required)
* T2 mining crystals (level 4 required)
* Compressing with a Rorqual (level 4 required)
* Using substandard (<50%) facilities
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.23 08:07:00 -
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But why would you want to waste an implant slot on refining instead of training a few skills to 1 ?
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Natalie Caladan
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.23 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 23/10/2010 12:42:33
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
But why would you want to waste an implant slot on refining instead of training a few skills to 1 ?
You wouldn't.
Actually training RE to IV and training the specific ore skills to II or III also gives you 100% and also allows you to use ore specific mining crystals. You only need RE V for ice refining or scrapmetal processing.
After that it's more important to get standings with the corporation of the station you're refining in as they take a lot of tax from your refining.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.23 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
But why would you want to waste an implant slot on refining instead of training a few skills to 1 ?
Mainly because Metallurgy 5 for Scrap Metal Processing takes about 10 days, and Hydromagnetic Physics 4 for Ice Processing takes another 4 days.
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Balloon Girl
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Posted - 2010.10.23 17:58:00 -
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Regardless how high your refining skills go the only way to get rid of the last 0.5% waste is to use the Zainou 'Beancounter' H50 implant that Tau mentioned.
For high sec refining in a 50% base yield station there is no need for the ore processing skills. They are better used as prereqs for mining crystals and Rorqual compression bpos.
In null sec the processing skills can help compensate for the low base refine yield of outposts.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Balloon Girl
Regardless how high your refining skills go the only way to get rid of the last 0.5% waste is to use the Zainou 'Beancounter' H50 implant that Tau mentioned.
Or you can train the ore refining skills to 1 to remove that last .5% waste without using an implant.
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Balloon Girl
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Posted - 2010.10.24 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Balloon Girl
Regardless how high your refining skills go the only way to get rid of the last 0.5% waste is to use the Zainou 'Beancounter' H50 implant that Tau mentioned.
Or you can train the ore refining skills to 1 to remove that last .5% waste without using an implant.
Train em to 5 if you like, you'll still get 0.5% waste without the implant.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.24 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Balloon Girl
Train em to 5 if you like, you'll still get 0.5% waste without the implant.
No you don't
If you are holding your mouse over the upperright corner in the refining screen the tooltip states;
"Note that this does not take into effect any specialty skills that you might have such as scordite processing or scrapmetal processing. Check refining quote for more information."
With those skills at 1 at a 50% station you will have 0 waste!
Implants are not needed.
Would you like me to get a few million units of ore and take some screenshots showing my implants and the refining screen with no refining implant and 0 waste?
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JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.24 14:37:00 -
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That's seems so... not right 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.25 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
With those skills at 1 at a 50% station you will have 0 waste!
Implants are not needed.
Breaker77 is correct.
I personally have a 2% refining implant because I've not gotten around to training scrap metal processing yet (I do have ice processing), and it is really annoying to me to see the waste everytime I reprocess stuff.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.25 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Balloon Girl
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Balloon Girl
Regardless how high your refining skills go the only way to get rid of the last 0.5% waste is to use the Zainou 'Beancounter' H50 implant that Tau mentioned.
Or you can train the ore refining skills to 1 to remove that last .5% waste without using an implant.
Train em to 5 if you like, you'll still get 0.5% waste without the implant.
Never fitted a refining implant ever.
I regularly get 100% refines (6.67 rep with NPC stations, or friendly player station with no tax....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Limdood
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Posted - 2010.10.25 15:48:00 -
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with refinery efficiency V you get 99.5%
99.5% is the highest that the tooltip helper at the top ever shows, though you can hit 100%
to check if you have 100% refine/reprocess on a SINGLE, GIVEN JOB, enlarge the refining/reprocessing window until you can see the other columns. Check the "unrecoverable" column. If it says 0, then your refining is perfect on that specific refining job.
to get 100% refining (of minerals), you need either the ore refining skills at I or the H50 implant.
to get 100% reprocessing (of modules, ships, charges, and drone minerals), you need scrapmetal processing at I (a long train) or the H50 implant.
These numbers are only applicable at a 50% station, lower stations need higher numbers.
Finally, to get "tax free" refining or reprocessing (getting the "we take" column to 0...), you need 6.67 standing with the station you're refining at. Note this does not apply to 0.0 outposts, in which the owning group sets the tax, which cannot be altered by standings.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.10.27 12:15:00 -
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Of course Breaker, Tau and Limdood are correct.
In fact refining at a 50% station, Refining 5, RE 3 and (ore)processing 3 gives you 0 waste. You will need ore processing 4 for using T2 crystals.
I think this is the fastest way to get zero waste.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
Of course Breaker, Tau and Limdood are correct.
In fact refining at a 50% station, Refining 5, RE 3 and (ore)processing 3 gives you 0 waste. You will need ore processing 4 for using T2 crystals.
I think this is the fastest way to get zero waste.
And now the 6.7 standings part ......... 
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.10.28 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: My Postman
Of course Breaker, Tau and Limdood are correct.
In fact refining at a 50% station, Refining 5, RE 3 and (ore)processing 3 gives you 0 waste. You will need ore processing 4 for using T2 crystals.
I think this is the fastest way to get zero waste.
And now the 6.7 standings part .........
Right.
But as mining in highsec is dead anyway, and my hulk has¦nt left station for a while i¦m happily gaining standing, as there is a L4 agent nearby from same corp.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.10.28 21:13:00 -
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Useful for the T2 crystals and very little else except in player controlled outposts.
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