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Vetorept
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:27:00 -
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So I've been flying around low sec for a few days (In a Rifter) doing missions and looking for some one on one action with no luck. I finished the prerequesites for a Hurricane today and thought: what the hell. So I took a trip down to low sec to finish up a mission that was giving my Rifter trouble, and also hoping the Hurricane would get some attention and maybe somebody would want to fight. I finished my mission, set a course back to my home base, popped through my last gate until 0.5 and got popped by about 5-6 folks camping a gate. 3 Hurricane's, a Myrmidon and a couple other ships I didn't notice what they were because of the magnificient explosion my ship made. I did not get podded.
(tl;dr Is everyone too scared to 1v1 in this game?)
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 24/10/2010 01:03:19 Yes, they are. 1v1's are *extremely* hard to get. But hey, if they have all that firepower, why not use it?
(Not to say solo PVP is dead; it is very possible to solo PVP even when they have multiple guys. Just avoid camps like that )
Although it's a refresher to see a new player who got popped take their loss well. If you want to make more of a career out of PVP, I'd join a small lowsec corp, or a highsec corp with an ongoing wardec. This will teach you the basics of PVP fittings and choosing your fights wisely.
Have fun! -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc. Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.24 01:26:00 -
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PVP doesn't exist really, it's PVPPPPP most of the time. The sooner you realise this and adapt your ship, strategy and fitting to that situation the better you'll do.
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Vetorept
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.24 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 24/10/2010 01:03:19 Yes, they are. 1v1's are *extremely* hard to get. But hey, if they have all that firepower, why not use it?
(Not to say solo PVP is dead; it is very possible to solo PVP even when they have multiple guys. Just avoid camps like that )
Although it's a refresher to see a new player who got popped take their loss well. If you want to make more of a career out of PVP, I'd join a small lowsec corp, or a highsec corp with an ongoing wardec. This will teach you the basics of PVP fittings and choosing your fights wisely.
Have fun!
Fittings aren't really hard to grasp. A circus ape can figure out how to use BattleClinic. I'm just not aware of the lengths that folks go to in order to have an overwhelming advantage. The Myrmidon was following me for a few systems, along with a Punisher (prolly a scout) and I would pause for a few moments as I made my way to the system my mission was in to see if the Myrmidon wanted to fight. He did not. I guess I ought to plan on being ambushed and overwhelmed for a while until I find a decent corp that isn't a scam. But I am having tons of fun! Even when I get ganked, just wish folks had bigger stones is all.
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Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.24 02:06:00 -
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I find more 1v1's in Null sec than low sec personaly. Also if your in a 1v1 keep an eye on local. Alot of fights will start out 1v1 and then next thing you know local spikes to 20 and they hot drop a super cap on your dramiel....
Well thats a little extreame but you get the point.
Glad you took your first pvp experience with a positive attitude, altho i would suggest like others go find a low sec null sec corp and have some fun. Its not all blob warefare and since your fly mini they seem to be the best at hit and run tactics and small gang warefare (IMHO)
Riggs I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees |
Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.24 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vetorept Fittings aren't really hard to grasp. A circus ape can figure out how to use BattleClinic.
Generic fits yes, but there are a lot of unconventional things you can do that only work in some very specific circumstances that you'll never see on battleclinic. A lot of the good pvpers who routinely go solo against large blobs will be setup in odd ways.
Originally by: Vetorept I'm just not aware of the lengths that folks go to in order to have an overwhelming advantage.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up. The majority of pvp in eve is all about picking your fights and engineering them beforehand so that you have a good chance of winning. No one is going to engage if they don't think they have a decent chance of winning (note that some people define win differently). A lot of times you'll get blobbed because the blob is expecting you to have your own blob as backup, although in the specific case you mention that was likely just a standard gatecamp you ran into.
- - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac" |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.24 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 24/10/2010 03:48:36 Dian'h Might said it pretty good, anyone can grab a generic fit off battleclinic, and indeed, it's a good place to start. Your next step though should be to plug it into EFT and/or the SISI test server (some people hate EFT, some can't connect to SISI, I say use everything you can). Look at how it performs for you, for your skills, and especially in fights.
For example, I always flew the myrm, initially in pve, and then that just translated over in pvp. It was only about a year later I gave the brutix a try, I love it!. I can't tell you exactly why by looking at fits, it just feels better to fly, it fits. Same with fittings, I see some on battleclinic and throw them into EFT as step one, adjust a few things here and there for how I fly, and then take them into Eve. After every fight I look at how I can change the fit to perform better, it's a constant adjustment, and no amount of reading about fits or playing with EFT can tell you what is right, only experience.
You are on the right track though, get out there and get in fights. Learn what works and what doesn't. Get that "feel" for if something is a bait ship, or if you really have a mission runner pinned. Figure out what works for you, not just what's the highest rated on Battleclinic. Avoid the fights you don't want, and end the ones you start quickly.
It's good to see someone get killed in a gate camp and not be angry or bitter about it :) Came expecting a rant, left pleasantly surprised.
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Elysarian
Minmatar Elysarian Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.24 07:49:00 -
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I got my first taste of pvp a couple of weeks ago. Dropped into a lowsec system and sat in a belt pretending to rat in my Rifter. I can only assume that the other pilot thought I was flying a pve fit up to the point his righter asploded Needless to say I bugged out to hisec straight away in case he had any buddies around, nice part is that the guy I blew up sent me a "gf" in local as he warped his pod out. Solo pvp is not dead, just sleeping ===================================== It smells of spoon! ===================================== |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.24 09:08:00 -
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Yeah man. As a loooooooooooooong time pvper, that's the way it goes.
People doing a 1v1 are taking a huge risk. Eve is all about Rock Paper Scissors, and when doing a 1v1 the other person could very well be your counter in many different ways. For example take your hurricane. You fly faster and hit decently hard, but without too much of a tank (depending on fit obviously), but that's the cookie cutter hurricane pvp fit. Any number of ships could counter you (in the same class, dont even get me started on smaller or larger classes) through webbing you so you dont go so fast, having more dps and higher tank, or simply going faster and keeping further range than you, or tracking disrupting you so you can't track them. Any number of those things would effectively nullify a typical pvp hurricane's effectiveness.
This goes with all ships and fits, thusly, people won't usually pvp solo. If they do, they expect to lose their ships. It's all about hedging your odds.
I know it's unsportsmanlike, but my band of pirates and I always ALWAYS fly in groups. More often than not we get lots of solo ganks, and as we say, if you are pvping solo you're doing something wrong. However, we're all experienced pvpers and thusly are capable of taking out far larger gangs through superior coordination as well as logistics.
So really, I think you get the idea. If you really want to pvp then look me up in game, I can certainly hook you up, though you've got to have a source of income.
-FeralShadow Black Storm Cartel _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Dead Jesus
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.24 09:54:00 -
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You would have more success finding 1v1's in a Rifter than a Cane. And you could have ran that gate camp without problems. Fly a Rifter.
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Lady Corrigan
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:00:00 -
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Quote: Fittings aren't really hard to grasp. A circus ape can figure out how to use BattleClinic.
you are doing it wrong.
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JeanLuc Blindtard
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:59:00 -
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Well solo pvp is verry real and alive its just that rarely it happens to be vs another solo pvpers.
Mostly is Solo PvPer VS Gang of nut jobs
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vetorept So I've been flying around low sec for a few days (In a Rifter) doing missions and looking for some one on one action with no luck. I finished the prerequesites for a Hurricane today and thought: what the hell. So I took a trip down to low sec to finish up a mission that was giving my Rifter trouble, and also hoping the Hurricane would get some attention and maybe somebody would want to fight. I finished my mission, set a course back to my home base, popped through my last gate until 0.5 and got popped by about 5-6 folks camping a gate. 3 Hurricane's, a Myrmidon and a couple other ships I didn't notice what they were because of the magnificient explosion my ship made. I did not get podded.
(tl;dr Is everyone too scared to 1v1 in this game?)
That's actually valuable lesson in the true nature of EvE. It is a toolkit built largely on the precept of cooperation and strength in numbers. In the extreme is bull**** like blobs but in the small to medium scale it is the essence of fun!
BTW if you want some company or a wingman on your romantic odyssey through low sec (I have a stack of rifters I need to use up) let me know in-game. ;)
Welcome to the game btw!
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Noluck Ned
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vetorept looking for some one on one action with no luck.
Sorry, I can be a little hard to find sometimes. As for the one on one: gee I dunno rifters scare me
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.10.24 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vetorept The Myrmidon was following me for a few systems, along with a Punisher (prolly a scout) and I would pause for a few moments as I made my way to the system my mission was in to see if the Myrmidon wanted to fight. He did not.
A Myrm can't tank a hurri and the sentries. If you want to 1on1 stay away from gates and stations.
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Ximano
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Posted - 2010.10.24 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vetorept
(tl;dr Is everyone too scared to 1v1 in this game?)
YOU ARE PLAYING MMORPG!
WICH PART YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND?
WE DON'T HAVE 1ON1 LADDER HERE!
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