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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/10/2010 17:43:23
 Originally by: Ghoest
Roleplaying is pretending to be someone else.
Choosing to pretend to be be a woman is makes you transvestite.
That's almost exactly what it's not.
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This isnt complicated.
àand that's why it's almost entirely incorrect. The same non-complicated reasoning shows that you are a mass-murderer.
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Your sex in EVE is about howw you represent yourself and nothing else.
No. It's not even that.
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Posted - 2010.10.26 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/10/2010 19:30:43
Originally by: TehFailGuy
I think Ghoest picked the wrong cybz partner, found out the hard way, and is now bitter over the experience.
Then again, you have to consider the shock, disappointment and disillusionment of the poor partner as wellà 
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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
If anything I I have answered wasy to many poorly concieved arguments in this thread already.
Well, that's really all you can hope for with such a poorly conceived statement as yours.
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
But if you make a female toon and give it female name so you appear to be female then ya - youre a virtual transvestite.
Maybe you should read up on what the term actually denotes firstà
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Posted - 2010.10.26 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
a person and especially a male who adopts the dress and often the behavior typical of the opposite sex especially for purposes of emotional or sexual gratification
1. Source?
2. The definition is inherently incorrect (or, more accurately, outdated) due to the use of "sex".
3. You assume that characters with cross-gender avatars "adopts the dress and behaviour" of the opposite gender ù what do you base this assumption on?
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If you arent a scammer, and you arent buying the toon, and your not making a farcical character (basically if you arent playing a female toon as means to another end) then you are choosing to represent yourself as a female to make your self happy which is emotional gratification.
No. The representation isn't there because, once again, it assumes you're taking on a persona ù a step you have yet to prove universally exists. Beyond that, the equivocation of "emotional gratification" and "make yourself happy" is obtuse and thoroughly incomplete.
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Posted - 2010.10.26 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
1 Websters
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transvestite
If you dont like the definition thats your problem. You cant say Im wrong for using that.
Sure I can. Using a poor definition means you're talking about something completely different. It also shows that you aren't familiar with some very important distinctions, and that makes you wrong by default. I say that you are a banana because based on my complete lack of knowledge of bananas, I choose a definition of them that makes you one.
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2 If you want to ignore the 'sex' part for the purpose of this conversation thats cool - doing so only strengthens my point.
Sex is not a factor ù gender is. If you don't know the distinction, you don't understand what transvestism is either. The fact that you don't see why "sex" is the wrong word means you have no point, so there's not much there to be strengthened. You really need to read up on this (and look into identity while you're at it ù it rather important as well).
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RL ttire correlates to chosen icon appearance in EVE.
How so? You assume that the same symbolism of gender conveyed through choice of vestments is at play in the choice of virtual appearance. Why is that?
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Their is no female or male behavior in EVE other than coming onto people
And that's your key problem: you are now saying that behaviour tied to the person, and only manifested through the avatar. For your idea of "digital transvestism" to work, either the avatar must have a gender-specific behaviour that is adopted ù if it's the person that adopt the cross-gender behaviour, it's closer to real-world transvestism rather than any digital kindà
You reject the notion of the former, so for your hypothesis to work, all cross-gender avatars must belong to real-world transvestites. This would follow the same logic that makes you a real-life mass murderer, so I'm going to guess that you'll reject that one as well. There's still the matter of representation, you see, and you assume an absolute correlation that you still haven't even begun to prove.
Oh, and tied to that, you're still confusing two different and separate issues: transvestic fetishism and cross-dressing (both of which largely replace the obsolete and blunt idea of transvestism). You need to look into the difference between these two as well.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.10.27 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 27/10/2010 05:25:31
Originally by: Banana
Im using the common definition from the most general accepted source of Engilsh(or maybe American English Im not sure what Brits use.words.
No. You are using an antiquated description from a source that is not authoritative on the topic, and treating that as a definition. The fact that you don't even know this distinction just further proves your ignorance of the topic. The errors in this description are obvious, and had you actually had any idea what you were talking about, you would have spotted this very early on.
You didn't, so you don't know what you're talking about.
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So if youre only probelm is that Im not using your prefered definition - then you are wrong not me.
You are not using a definition at all and treating it as such, and then you refuse to look at the actual definition, even when it's been explained to you why you should, because that would rob you of a word you have grown accustomed to using incorrectly. Guess what this makes you?
So, have you looked up what "transestism", "cross-dressing", "gender" and "identity" mean yet?
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Obviously Im substituting "female avatar" for "female clothing" but I think thats rather obxious - IRL you cant have an avatar clothing and make up is the best you can do.
This is of course incorrect as well, which you would know if you had done the slightest bit of research rather than relying on your own ignorant assumptions.
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Posted - 2010.10.27 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Well, there is autogynephilia which is pretty much what Ghoest is talking about. That's very real, but whether it applies to male players with female toons is questionable.
True and true: and that's kind of the point ù it's not the right term nor a particularly suitable application.
Oh, and one more thingà Originally by: Ghoest
Im the one who first used the word transvestite in this thread.
àand you used it wrong, which is why your idea isn't getting much traction. Being the first to use it doesn't make your (incorrect) interpretation authoritative, you know.
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Posted - 2010.10.27 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Yes it does, it means they have gender issues.
Who? Based on what?
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 27/10/2010 14:40:03
Originally by: Ghoest
Im using old standardized and commonly understood definitions. And Im happy with them.
No. You are using obsolete meanings that no longer describe what they used to (cf. "democracy," or, hell, "schizophrenia" to make a much more closely related example). This makes you misunderstood, and that might explain why your idea doesn't get much traction: you're not actually saying what you think you're saying.
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If you want new meanings use your new words.
Language doesn't work that way.
If you want to say something, say what you actually mean, rather than something tangentially related. Precision is good for you.
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
People use "furries" in a lot of jokes, but I think its ****ing funny someone is hitting on pixels. IMO people who get mad about who is running a character are kind of like "furries" that we don't have a name for yet.
Pixies? 
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