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Windows ME State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:07:00 - [1] at failing it. Seriously, getting the supposed final boss blew up by CONCORD is just pure fail. And it's not the first time it happened. Why can't you even get something like this right? Can I file this as a complain? Fail to deliver content? CCP, this is epic fail, I ask you not to make the same mistake again. - Windows ME, defragging your harddisk since two thousand.
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:11:00 - [2] So you're complaining that you didn't get an easy carrier killmail?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:15:00 - [3] Hi I noticed you enjoy ranting at CCP because you do not like there features, I advise you to use a new type of petition. File a new trial account petition in one of these boxes! Star Trek Online World of Warcraft *Hello Kitty Online After you have completed this Biomass your main then you will never have to deal with CCP again! -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Your Client	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:15:00 - [4] live event? how do you find out about these?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Your Client live event? how do you find out about these? There is an in game intel channel, from what I heard. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Tyburn Stannis Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:24:00 - [6] EvE has certain rules of engagement, and NPC's such as CONCORD follow those rules. In this instance (and others) Capsuleers have figured out how to use those rules to their advantage and provoked a CONCORD response to deal with the Sansha attack on their behalf. It's not hard to work out what happened and why. Crying because you didn't get on a carrier KM or a hundred BS wrecks to loot? Too bad. A lot of the attraction of EvE is that the rules are the same for everybody. And if you can figure out how to use or abuse those rules to your advantage, more power to you. To have these Live Events bypass the rules would **** a hell of a lot more people off than the greedy ignorant minority. Tyburn.
Teryl Manara	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:27:00 - [7] Honestly, I'm just giggle****s over the idea of a GM getting CONCORDOKKEN :D
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Tyburn Stannis EvE has certain rules of engagement, and NPC's such as CONCORD follow those rules. In this instance (and others) Capsuleers have figured out how to use those rules to their advantage and provoked a CONCORD response to deal with the Sansha attack on their behalf. It's not hard to work out what happened and why. Crying because you didn't get on a carrier KM or a hundred BS wrecks to loot? Too bad. A lot of the attraction of EvE is that the rules are the same for everybody. And if you can figure out how to use or abuse those rules to your advantage, more power to you. To have these Live Events bypass the rules would **** a hell of a lot more people off than the greedy ignorant minority. Tyburn. You realize the actors already by-pass the CONCORD spawn rules, right? They are flagged for CONCORD immunity. That is, they can attack and kill players in highsec without spawning CONCORD. The only reason they die is because someone artificially spawns CONCORD next to them, so that their smartbombs hit the actual CONCORD NPC. It's an exploit in the system design, they are not meant to be targeted by CONCORD or they would not be flagged for immunity. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
Tyburn Stannis Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:36:00 - [9] GH, and you're not at all bitter because you didn't get to lord it in local chat as a Sansha lapdog... no not at all... Face it, somebody got smart and figured out how to compensate for CONCORD ignoring an in-character attack because they are out-of-character programmed not to. And they did it legitimately within the standard rules of engagement.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Julianus Soter on 25/10/2010 22:47:16 Originally by: Ghost Hunter You realize the actors already by-pass the CONCORD spawn rules, right? They are flagged for CONCORD immunity. That is, they can attack and kill players in highsec without spawning CONCORD. The only reason they die is because someone artificially spawns CONCORD next to them, so that their smartbombs hit the actual CONCORD NPC. It's an exploit in the system design, they are not meant to be targeted by CONCORD or they would not be flagged for immunity. It can't be an exploit if the CONCORD ships were there first, and the Chimera spawned on top of them. Also, shooting weapons at CONCORD = dumb. You'd think the CONCORD DED pilot-turned Sansha commander would know that. The channel to participate in the live events is SYNEPublic.
okst666	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:39:00 - [11] ok..serious posting. This was my first time fleet battle and my first time sansha-event, and I am not quite clear what it was and what I did. I joined some local guys and followed the orders of the fleet-leader. Once I arrived the battlefield the game behaved like at 0.2 fps...(I double checked..it was around 85fps..so it is not the pc) with ~315 people in the system. Somehow I podded the pilot of the chimera (Slave Endoma01) ...what is my reward? Does podding ppl during this invasion do not have consequences? Concord was near..I had an agression countdown... I was total fun and I want to do those events again...but I also want to gain some profit of this..what is the best way to do so?
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 25/10/2010 22:55:44 Originally by: Tyburn Stannis GH, and you're not at all bitter because you didn't get to lord it in local chat as a Sansha lapdog... no not at all... Face it, somebody got smart and figured out how to compensate for CONCORD ignoring an in-character attack because they are out-of-character programmed not to. And they did it legitimately within the standard rules of engagement. Err, what? Our carrier actor pretty much chooses if they want to die or not, sometimes they leave through the wormhole again sometimes they stay behind. I'm not bitter because they die if they choose to stay behind, that would be asinine. I'm pointing out a hole in the system that has existed for a long time, even back to the Aurora days judging by what some old players told me. @Oskt666: Ninja-loot player wrecks. We find deadspace gear in them all the time because they bring their pimp rides into a death trap. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:52:00 - [13] Edited by: David Grogan on 25/10/2010 22:53:37 the reason concord intervened is cos ccp forgot that smartbombs in high sec draw concord's attention. perhaps the next carrier live event should not have smartbombs fitted. maybe fit heavy nuets instead SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.25 22:53:00 - [14] Originally by: David Grogan Edited by: David Grogan on 25/10/2010 22:53:37 the reason concord intervened is cos ccp forgot that smartbombs in high sec draw concord's attention. perhaps the next carrier live event should not have smartbombs fitted. maybe fit heavy nuets instead Or RR -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2010.10.25 23:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Windows ME Can I file this as a complain? Fail to deliver content? Windows ME...oh the irony _________________________________ Looking for cool pilots, check our advert
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.10.25 23:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 25/10/2010 22:47:16 Originally by: Ghost Hunter You realize the actors already by-pass the CONCORD spawn rules, right? They are flagged for CONCORD immunity. That is, they can attack and kill players in highsec without spawning CONCORD. The only reason they die is because someone artificially spawns CONCORD next to them, so that their smartbombs hit the actual CONCORD NPC. It's an exploit in the system design, they are not meant to be targeted by CONCORD or they would not be flagged for immunity. It can't be an exploit if the CONCORD ships were there first, and the Chimera spawned on top of them. Also, shooting weapons at CONCORD = dumb. You'd think the CONCORD DED pilot-turned Sansha commander would know that. The channel to participate in the live events is SYNEPublic. And...what's to stop someone from shipping their alt over to where the actor spawns away from the pre-set up CONCORD? It doesn't matter, so long as any weapons on their behalf can have CONCORD attack them then people will get it to happen. The people who enjoy fighting the actors won't be able to anymore, because people simply have CONCORD gun them down. This can just as easily apply to the Empire actors. Also, to add onto Soter's recommendation, There is SYNEPublic for those who are anti-Sansha Live Events, more centered on the events in general and is occupied by both anti-Sansha and some Sansha. Nation Public is the channel we Sansha loyalists operate. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.10.26 00:09:00 - [17] The obvious solution would be to stop the actors from using smartbombs. Allow them to deploy the fighters, for instance, or something. Any number of options.
Snowmann	Posted - 2010.10.26 00:43:00 - [18] Maybe the Sansha pilot didn't get the relevant memo.
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.10.26 01:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Julianus Soter The obvious solution would be to stop the actors from using smartbombs. Allow them to deploy the fighters, for instance, or something. Any number of options. That ignores the problem more than it addresses it, I think. You would have to strip out the use of smartbombs, logistics gear is already inoperable (although they're flagged for immunity they can't be RR'd by players and I assume each other), and they can never assign drones to anyone who can go GCC with it. Tools they could use in-game for different purposes have to be taken out because players can artificially manipulate CONCORD into killing them. If they wanted CONCORD to kill them, why would they bother immunizing themselves in the first place? I don't see why tools they could use should be taken away from a bag of tricks that is already not that great. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
afasfgga	Posted - 2010.10.26 12:25:00 - [20] Shaalira D'arc Alara IonStorm Tyburn Stannis You shut up if you think it has anything to do with killmail. Ghost Hunter is right, the moment CCP tries to stage a live event it's already bypassing normal game mechanics, it is just plain stupid that CCP letting such a tiny mistake/exploit to take over the "play". There are ways to deal with it, you can make the carrier stop using smartbombs, you can make CONCORD immune to player attack, or you make sure CONCORD isn't in range before doing any AOE attack. I just wish CCP replies in this thread, acknowledging the mistake they made, and take extra care when staging the next play. It was obvious enough that the carrier being CONCORDed isn't part of their plan, why let it happen?
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.10.26 12:39:00 - [21] chuckles ~~Recruiting!~~
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.10.26 12:51:00 - [22] Just keep the live events in lowsec and the Concord problem is removed.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/10/2010 13:05:27 Originally by: okst666 ok..serious posting. This was my first time fleet battle and my first time sansha-event, and I am not quite clear what it was and what I did. I joined some local guys and followed the orders of the fleet-leader. Once I arrived the battlefield the game behaved like at 0.2 fps...(I double checked..it was around 85fps..so it is not the pc) with ~315 people in the system. Somehow I podded the pilot of the chimera (Slave Endoma01) ...what is my reward? Does podding ppl during this invasion do not have consequences? Concord was near..I had an agression countdown... I was total fun and I want to do those events again...but I also want to gain some profit of this..what is the best way to do so? Your reward is that you get to post the killmail somewhere public Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Steve Celeste Overdogs	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:04:00 - [24] Well played.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:26:00 - [25] I have a pillow you can bite, if it helps?
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.10.26 13:35:00 - [26] I have Endoma01's corpse if anyone is interested.
KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.26 14:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Just keep the live events in lowsec and the Concord problem is removed. Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S
Mister Screwball Minmatar True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Just keep the live events in lowsec and the Concord problem is removed. CCP lisen to this man he is a genius (no sarcasm) ---------
Dave Daze Minmatar Thor's Spite	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Dave Daze on 26/10/2010 16:45:05 /backtrack IB4B
Brandrsun Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.26 16:43:00 - [30] I wonder what CCP has to say on spawning concord as a weapon in these events. Seems to me, that kinda defeats the purpose of mass pve events.. maybe we should call em omgconcordedbbqsansha with extra sauce...

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