EVE Search - What are your expectations from an Tech Level 2 Industrial?

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Matthew	Posted - 2005.01.14 15:00:00 - [1] Originally by: MatStar imo the idea of specfic t2 indys to be smuggler ships isnt very plausable, a reputable ship maker designing a ship spefically to break the law doesnt quite add up. Its like ford making a car that has machine guns and rocket launchers fitted as standard. Actually, it would be more like ford making a car with secret compartments (assuming your smuggling plan is getting through undetected rather than blowing customs to bits). Originally by: sergeant spot Actually, if you go back to the 1800s and earlier, some reputable ship builders did build ships for owners who intended to use them to smuggle and otherwise break laws..... Now, here we come to a different comparison. Here its important to note that shipbuilders of the 1800s differ from Ford Motor Company. Ford churn out masses of identical products and make money from economies of scale. Shipbuilding in the 1800's was very much a case of using bespoke designs - you ordered the ship, you pretty much had free reign on what you got them to put in it as long as you paid for it and it was physically possible. Kinda like getting some uber-mechanic to build you a custom car. I would argue the custom car model is better than the Ford model for T2 ships - think of Ford churning out the T1 model in bulk, and the rich/skilled getting a custom model from a specialist builder. Originally by: MatStar and would they get away with it now? Building a car with concealed compartments is not illegal. Heck, you could even get it armor plated and it wouldn't be illegal. Just because something can be used to do something illegal, doesn't make that item illegal. Just because the smuggler ship has the capability to carry concealed illegal cargo, does not make the ship itself illegal. Just like the ability for a battleship to blow a customs ship apart doesn't make the battleship illegal.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2005.01.14 15:00:00 - [2] Originally by: MatStar imo the idea of specfic t2 indys to be smuggler ships isnt very plausable, a reputable ship maker designing a ship spefically to break the law doesnt quite add up. Its like ford making a car that has machine guns and rocket launchers fitted as standard. Actually, it would be more like ford making a car with secret compartments (assuming your smuggling plan is getting through undetected rather than blowing customs to bits). Originally by: sergeant spot Actually, if you go back to the 1800s and earlier, some reputable ship builders did build ships for owners who intended to use them to smuggle and otherwise break laws..... Now, here we come to a different comparison. Here its important to note that shipbuilders of the 1800s differ from Ford Motor Company. Ford churn out masses of identical products and make money from economies of scale. Shipbuilding in the 1800's was very much a case of using bespoke designs - you ordered the ship, you pretty much had free reign on what you got them to put in it as long as you paid for it and it was physically possible. Kinda like getting some uber-mechanic to build you a custom car. I would argue the custom car model is better than the Ford model for T2 ships - think of Ford churning out the T1 model in bulk, and the rich/skilled getting a custom model from a specialist builder. Originally by: MatStar and would they get away with it now? Building a car with concealed compartments is not illegal. Heck, you could even get it armor plated and it wouldn't be illegal. Just because something can be used to do something illegal, doesn't make that item illegal. Just because the smuggler ship has the capability to carry concealed illegal cargo, does not make the ship itself illegal. Just like the ability for a battleship to blow a customs ship apart doesn't make the battleship illegal. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Matthew	Posted - 2005.01.17 13:21:00 - [3] Originally by: MatStar Lai Dai PR Guy: Hi id like to announce our new ship design its called the smuggler and is specifically designed to transport contraband through our borders and our neighbours borders. Caldari Navy Rep: WTF??????? get the picture? That would be a very stupid PR guy, obviously. A clever PR guy is far more likely to promote it as a "secure private hauler" - citing the benefits of hiding your high-value cargo from suicide caracals, or low-sec gate camps. That it also lets you sneak things past customs will simply be an "undocumented feature". Sure, the customs guys may not be jumping for joy at this product, but marketed like that there's not much they could do. After all, I doubt the navy guys are very happy about us being able to buy top of the line battleships and weaponry, but they don't stop them being sold, and only punish the owners if they get caught using them illegaly.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2005.01.17 13:21:00 - [4] Originally by: MatStar Lai Dai PR Guy: Hi id like to announce our new ship design its called the smuggler and is specifically designed to transport contraband through our borders and our neighbours borders. Caldari Navy Rep: WTF??????? get the picture? That would be a very stupid PR guy, obviously. A clever PR guy is far more likely to promote it as a "secure private hauler" - citing the benefits of hiding your high-value cargo from suicide caracals, or low-sec gate camps. That it also lets you sneak things past customs will simply be an "undocumented feature". Sure, the customs guys may not be jumping for joy at this product, but marketed like that there's not much they could do. After all, I doubt the navy guys are very happy about us being able to buy top of the line battleships and weaponry, but they don't stop them being sold, and only punish the owners if they get caught using them illegaly. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.

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