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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:11:00 -
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Some systems have many gates, guys, it's not easy picking which one to camp.
My Warmest Regards.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:16:00 -
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FC:ingà maybe not ù it's a bit too specialised.
CEO:ing, maybe, but it would still require some explaining that might get the discussion off-track (and your application into the bin).
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joomla alacard
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: joomla alacard on 29/10/2010 18:44:24
 Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: joomla alacard
Seriously though, management is management regardless what job it is the people you're managing are doing. It's about knowing individuals on your team, their strengths, and how best to coordinate them in the various aspects involved with getting "jobs" done. If an example shows this effectively, it should be taken as a good example.
Actually ..., being the FC doesn't mean anything in terms of organization or leadership. All that means is that you have enough ego to not choke when talking on voice comms to a bunch of people and being full enough of yourself to think that whatever call you make is the right one at the time.
However, the FC has no bearing on the performance of the fleet as a whole, meaning that the FC can't make people do the right thing. He or she doesn't manage the people, the FC merely tells them what to do and they may or may not do it.
It's a common misconception that battles are primarily won by good FCs. Yes, the FC is an important part, as are the pilots themselves and what makes the pilots follow the FC orders is good morale (because the alliance/corp is currently winning), a ship reimbursement program, a common goal, and trust in the FC making good tactical decisions.
If anything the corp leadership is good at management and organizing, the FC is good at quickly procesing tactical information and reacting to it in an appropriate way. What I am getting at is that in order to do that you don't need management skills nor organizational skills, in fact FCs are mostly not what I would call a "people person" or a team player. They are folks who tend to think that they know better (which they often do) but primadonnas don't make good employees unless you need one for ballet.
I don't know... how is that any different from my supervisor telling me to do something and then that thing gets done? I know the consequences have much more weight IRL for me if I choose not to accomplish the task, but I don't see how FC is not a leadership position in the same aspect as my supervisor does their job. Neither the FC, corp leadership, nor my IRL supervisor can MAKE me do anything right or wrong - it is up to me to do the right thing on my own, regardless who is telling me what to get done.
...are we vicariously saying that managers don't really *lead*, but that they have enough ego to tell others what to do regardless of not necessarily obtaining their position by a democratic process?
Regardless, the argument against FC as management doesn't invalidate my thoughts on management that you quoted, but i'm assuming you were going against FC as a legitimate leadership role.
edit: I still don't think referencing a game will be taken seriously in all likelihood.
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Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:59:00 -
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Seeing how people describe the leadership experience in Eve, it seems like all the skills would apply to RL leadership in any big enough company :
- Being full of it
- Thinking that you giving a few orders, while the slaves paid at minimum wages did all the work, is what makes thing work
- "If you don't listen to me, I'll fire you"
- ...
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:28:00 -
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I might consider it if applying for a job in an NGO (humanitarian or community service ones, for example, where your leadership and organisational skills are valuable assets).
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:42:00 -
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This guy had gaming experience on his cv.
Jill.
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Only really if you don't want to get a job.
^^ This is my strategy for staying unemployed  .
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Xituqtra
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:16:00 -
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I wouldn't set FCing on my CV but aliance leader of 2000 people could look fun on there (doesn't matter it are only 500 guy's with 4 chars each :P)
While we're at it I alway's wonder what the neighbours of the FC think. Like in some battles they should hear constant yelling and screaming for like an hour straight.
Imagine living next to an FC and hearing: HENK IN APOC IS PRIMARY KILL THE ****ER I NEED MORE BUBBLES COMMON LAZY ****S KILL THEM YES HE'S DEAD LARRY IN MEGA IS NEXT PRIMARY!!!!
and then that for an hour straight
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:58:00 -
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My e-resume has killboard links to my best solo kills
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cBOLTSON
Reaction Theory
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bacon Slapper
No because you're not actually controlling or commanding anything. All your gay little ass is doing is saying "hei guys today we're going to go to tis place and crush them lol. Your have to lissttenn to mee or i'll call you primary.Teehee i'm so bad ass but srssly guise listen to me and obey my comand at all time and thjen this guys if i dies."
"jump, align warp"
x50
"lol ok guise her we go."
"shoot that guy !! loLZ!"
"grr! gget um!!"
The end.
Moral of the story your the king of a bunch of nerds for an hour roleplaying the worst tour bus driver on the worst tour in history.
Lmfao! haha =] thats funny ****!
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Qiwi'Lisolet
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:43:00 -
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I have person experience with this believe it or not. So: On your CV, oh hell no. That's just stupid.
However... I brought it up in an interview once (got the job btw). They asked me what experience I had that was interest based that would make me a good canidate for the position. I wrote down "Leadership experience through large numbers of individuals". My guy doing the interview was interested so first I warned him it might sound stupid, then I said "I play a game - it's very complex, very indepth and has alot of the organizational skills as a large corporation - one such as this you work for. I used to command fleets going into battle, consisting up upwards of 200 people. This is a lot harder than one may think as each person is their own mind and their own ship - they each control their own movements, their own weapons, etc and it was my job to tell them who to fire at, what tactics to use, how to move, how to lock down opponents, organize fleet movements through multiple solar systems... in a seamless, controlled, tactical manner"
He looked at me and said "We've got a management position available right now - it's not 200 people you'll have under you, but it's 23. Now tell me more about this game; it sounds interesting... can you control the market?"
Me: "heh... not only can you control the market, you can make billions and affect the outcomes of wars based on your escrow and market shares"...
Anyway, went on like that for a while. You really have to feel out your potential employer prior to doing it, but sometimes it can really be a great place to meet with them on. There have even been times where people learn the stock market from eve and then apply it to wall street. You'd be surprised. EvE has a lot of very useful life knowledge in it.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.10.30 02:00:00 -
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The issue with tall tales is that most of them are just too damn tall.
Originally by: Qiwi'Lisolet
I wrote down "Leadership experience through large numbers of individuals". My guy doing the interview was interested so first I warned him it might sound stupid, then I said "I play a game - it's very complex, very indepth and has alot of the organizational skills as a large corporation - one such as this you work for. I used to command fleets going into battle, consisting up upwards of 200 people. This is a lot harder than one may think as each person is their own mind and their own ship - they each control their own movements, their own weapons, etc and it was my job to tell them who to fire at, what tactics to use, how to move, how to lock down opponents, organize fleet movements through multiple solar systems... in a seamless, controlled, tactical manner"
He looked at me and said "We've got a management position available right now - it's not 200 people you'll have under you, but it's 23. Now tell me more about this game; it sounds interesting... can you control the market?"
You wouldn't mind saying which company that job was with, would you?
The issue with hiring MMO addicts (which is what you are if you CEO/FC/POS fuel/etc.) is that they spend what ought to be billable hours on surfing the web to read up on their MMO, post on the forums, or worse actually play the game from work. No one in their right mind would hire a person like that because an MMO addict chooses to spend dozens of hours per week on something that doesn't contribute to personal or professional development. That's not the person good companies are looking for, they want people who value their time enough as to not waste the majority of their spare time on mindless entertainment.
Originally by: Qiwi'Lisolet
There have even been times where people learn the stock market from eve and then apply it to wall street. You'd be surprised. EvE has a lot of very useful life knowledge in it.
Really? So you have some sources then to show that people played EVE learned how the RL stockmarket works based on their play, and then went on to make actual profit IRL?
The very useful life knowledge you gain in EVE is that given the opportunity 9/10 people will be complete *******s to you, and to figure that out you don't actually need EVE. |
Dalmont Delantee
Gallente
British Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.30 05:51:00 -
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I put medievial re-enactment on my CV as well as gaming.
Starts interesting conversations and gets people to remember you when you say you run out on fields and smack people with swords (They usually say something like - Oh like those guys at that castle)
As long as you don't do a 20 minute monolog about how you've organised an attack on tr-t42 and that you really pwned the noobs you can get away with it :P
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Pod Salesman
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Posted - 2010.10.30 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
The issue with tall tales is that most of them are just too damn tall.
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You wouldn't mind saying which company that job was with, would you?
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But, not like it really matters to you, since right off the bat you've dismissed the story as a lie. what would you do if/when the company name is listed? Contact them to verify the story? No, you'll just claim that he's full of ****. That'll be the entire amount of backup behind your claims; you're right because you *know* you're right.
Where are you getting your information on these MMO addicts? Didn't see any sources listed, nor articles linked to on your post either. As far as I know, both of you are full of **** and just spouting off personal sentiments
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: PR0PHETOFDOOM
Ive commanded fleets of 500+ for weeks and weeks, would you put it on your cv? controling that amount of people is hard making sure nothing happens.
As a professional Senior Technical Recruiter I'd say don't put that in your CV. Ever. The people *DOING THE HIRING* have no sense of humor and they'll simply bin your CV vs. bother with the possibility that you might be a cool guy.
HR people are DOUCHEBAGS. Period. They're like lawyers. It's a special breed of person that gravitates towards that career field.
Just don't do it.
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus
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Bacon Slapper
Minmatar
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Salesman
Originally by: Ash Donai
The issue with tall tales is that most of them are just too damn tall.
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You wouldn't mind saying which company that job was with, would you?
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But, not like it really matters to you, since right off the bat you've dismissed the story as a lie. what would you do if/when the company name is listed? Contact them to verify the story? No, you'll just claim that he's full of ****. That'll be the entire amount of backup behind your claims; you're right because you *know* you're right.
Where are you getting your information on these MMO addicts? Didn't see any sources listed, nor articles linked to on your post either. As far as I know, both of you are full of **** and just spouting off personal sentiments
To be fair your story did sound pretty made up.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
If you were going to list an MMO, then unless you were applying for a position in organized crime or perhaps a law firm, EVE Online would be the last MMO to list. Look at all the things that make EVE a niche game - that the gb2wow crowd list - dark place, scams and betrayals allowed; even promoted in press releases, newcomer unfriendly, ... What job could you be applying for where the salient attributes of EVE would be positively regarded???
Member of Parliament?
Or possibly high-level civil service.
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva
Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.30 07:11:00 -
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If you can sell FC'ing as a good skill to have then you certainly qualify for a job, for any job.
Because that means that you can make looking non-important things pretty important.
Be creative, focus on the strength, play around with words, stay honest in the core, etc.
If you can convince people that this is an important skill that benefits the real life job then it is pretty impressive and for that alone you should qualify  |
Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.10.30 07:58:00 -
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If I had to pick between two people with equal cvs but one also had fc on it I would pick the fc guy.
1: its proof he is atleast smart enough to play eve, to be fair, lots of people isn't.
2: he got patience
3: he got atleast some social skills
But then again he got cat herding skills so I would put him in tech support
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.30 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
stuff
Captain, we've blown a fuse on the irony sensors...
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
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Posted - 2010.10.30 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vicker Lahn''se on 30/10/2010 08:13:59
Everyone who has replied thus far has given advice without seeking information that is critical to this decision.
The first thing asked of the OP should have been:
Who will be receiving your CV?
If the answer to this question is "a corporation in Eve Online", or any organization in any online game, then yes, you should put that on your CV.
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ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2010.10.30 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
As a professional Senior Technical Recruiter I'd say don't put that in your CV. Ever. The people *DOING THE HIRING* have no sense of humor and they'll simply bin your CV vs. bother with the possibility that you might be a cool guy.
HR people are DOUCHEBAGS. Period. They're like lawyers. It's a special breed of person that gravitates towards that career field.
Just don't do it.
So .. did you just confirm your a douchebag / lawyer / have no sense of humor ? :)
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:01:00 -
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by logic you should put in because if you can motivate ppl to do stuff for free in virtual worlds imagine what you can do when there is money incentive and the punishment to be fired
but the 99,9999999999999999.....999999999% of the ppl who interview you wont get that
Originally by: CCP Adida
The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Qiwi'Lisolet
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
The issue with tall tales is that most of them are just too damn tall.
You wouldn't mind saying which company that job was with, would you?
If you're gonna troll like a PO'd 10 year old receiving an enema, at least do it on your main; nub. Company was AT&T, and I was paraphrasing.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.10.30 14:28:00 -
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People management skills, shows you are a team player even though most CAOD tards know you're really a kid with ADHD
I would still put it on, could work to your advantage, but rather than saying you are playing the game say you were hired to manage a large group of people, to make you sound cool otherwise behind the trolling and bad acne they will see you as a high school drop out like most wow players.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Only really if you don't want to get a job.
^^ This is my strategy for staying unemployed .
In that case I should warn you - although it wasn't on my C.V., I brought up mineral compression during an interview and got a decent job as an insurance analyst.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2010.10.31 00:38:00 -
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Short answer: No, don't do it.
Long answer:
You are always hearing about people who got the job because of their experience in some online game or another. Look closer and you find that most of these people got their jobs in spite of listing their online experiences in their resume. They got the job because their real world experience and their interview performance were good enough to overcome the negative impact of listing game experience as a valuable work commodity.
If you must use game experience you need to be knowledgeable enough to repackage it into something more salable.
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
In that case I should warn you - although it wasn't on my C.V., I brought up mineral compression during an interview and got a decent job as an insurance analyst.
This is what I mean. I guarantee It wasn't bringing up the mineral compression that won you the job. It was repackaging your experience with mineral compression and presenting it in a manner that demonstrates good analytical skills that won you the job. (only guessing since I wasn't there, although I doubt it because of a line like "oh, you mean like mineral compression in Eve")
If you must refer to being an FC or CEO in Eve then I would suggest you present it more along the line of being a co-ordinator or facilitator of social media forums and events. ("understanding of social media" is becoming a big thing in communications and web based IT jobs lately)
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. If you are going for a job at a game store or computer store then by all means list your geekiness and online gaming experience.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.31 00:48:00 -
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Ask yourself if you would employ someone who wrote "I've got all my purple gear and can solo Uldaman with my eyes closed whilst eating a pizza" on their CV.
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.10.31 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Noob on 31/10/2010 01:03:04
Edited by: Eternal Noob on 31/10/2010 01:02:20
It's probably more like real life, where, if you're applying for a position in any field, the guy in charge of hiring has already learned to discern whether your resume is bull**** or not.
EVE doesn't have *that* many players. A "position you're applying to" here doesn't even seem like a likelihood to any sort of real open competition vs. people the guy in charge didn't already know, or was familiar with, anyway. And especially at the upper echelons of management.
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Pod Salesman
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:37:00 -
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Just a thought; people put down their leadership positions from arguably trivial RL organizations on their CV/resume fairly often. Maybe it's a bad idea to do that as well.
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