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amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:51:00 - [1] First read this. Whats going to happen to your internets If you want to stop it In simple terms no more unlimited internet packages and more small as **** bandwith caps. How does this relate to you? You use the god damn puter everyday to play eve and watch youtube crap. It if this continues to be allowed to happen you'll be doing much less of that.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.11.02 21:57:00 - [2] Welcome to the UK chap.
EdwardNardella Capital Construction Research	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:30:00 - [3] Originally by: amarian arch no more unlimited internet packages I have never heard of any unlimited bandwidth internet service in Canada. It is quite rare for unlimited anything as far as communications services in Canada goes. Please share with me the name of a provider and their plan that offers unlimited internet. CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here!
Alun Hughes Project Nemesis	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:34:00 - [4] Was thinking this myself. I have had A 25GB Limit for as long as i can remember. I think this speaks more to the sale of 3rd party access to data lines
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:37:00 - [5] Originally by: EdwardNardella Originally by: amarian arch no more unlimited internet packages I have never heard of any unlimited bandwidth internet service in Canada. It is quite rare for unlimited anything as far as communications services in Canada goes. Please share with me the name of a provider and their plan that offers unlimited internet. A "SIMPLE" google search lead me to acanac.ca and they offer unlimited plans for internet. Teksavvy also has something along those lines... I did that search quicker than you typed up your msg about you being lazy and not knowing how to google stuff.... and you belittle him bcuz??
Benglada Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:37:00 - [6] It's talking about local ISPs tapping into bells data streams and paying per gigabyte, isntead of on an unlimited plan like they are now. This cost will obviously be passed onto us. It has nothing to do with personal internet, except cost. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited.Applebabe
helmeo Caldari Redwaffe	Posted - 2010.11.02 22:51:00 - [7] going with bell is one of the worst decision i've ever made. and this just proves to me bell is an evil company.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:49:00 - [8] This is basically going to hit the "small" ISP's who use Bells's DSL lines. As for "unlimited" internet, it DOES exist, it's just not billed at that. I'm with Rogers cable. 10meg Cable internet costs me $68(or so) per month, with a cap of 90-95 gig or something silly. If I go over that cap, they charge be a ridonculous amount per MB. BUT.... They have a cap to the ammount they can charge you. The cap is $25. So I pay, $69+$25/month and use 400-800 gig per month. Hell, just streaming music while infront of the computer runs 40 gig per month. Add in a few nights of youtube fun on EVE, and your 90Gigs is gone. I use more then 98% of Rogers customers(They claim) so I pay more. Does it REALLY cost them that much for my bandwidth? Yeah.. Right.. I bet they make at LEAST 25% profit on me, even with my high data usage.
Kinta Huron ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.03 00:08:00 - [9] I haven't heard about this.
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 00:20:00 - [10] Edited by: amarian arch on 03/11/2010 00:24:54 http://teksavvy.com/en/default.asp is the unlimited provider i use Edit- They also dont out source and they speak english.

Cecilia Syal Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2010.11.03 00:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 03/11/2010 00:36:42 I am in montreal and use securenet dsl, 5mb/1mb connection ever since i got a 900$ bill (i didnt pay) from videotron after they removed my unlimited connection without telling me 5 yrs ago. i pay 30$ a month and can download as much as i want. without throttling, its true most company's are metering/throttling now. but its a world wide issue, brought on by bitorrent and greed etc. edit: Unlimited is important cause i download games via steam, and use netflix on my tv etc. and stream alot of tv / media & music , and can go through 100gb easily in a month.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.11.03 01:53:00 - [12] Been using the net in Canada pretty much since it began and it's always been unlimited with a flat rate, more recently bundled with satellite TV services. Even switched providers a couple times because they all offer the same thing. Thank you for informing me of this crooked plot, eh. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.11.03 02:18:00 - [13] Move to Wisconsin. We have all the beer, not as much hockey. And we has internets. I like me.
Ron Bacardi SniggWaffe	Posted - 2010.11.03 02:35:00 - [14] Signed, even though I'm currently with Shaw. This is bull****.
Vladimir Kimrov	Posted - 2010.11.03 02:52:00 - [15] Signed, I did also sent a letter to my deputy.
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:09:00 - [16] Keep it up brothers inform all you know about this!
Boogie Bobby	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:17:00 - [17] I live in somewhat rural Ontario (10 000 people along the 401) and the internet here is by far the worst, most expensive, heavily restricted garbage I've seen anywhere in Canada and I have lived in and used internet in every one of the provinces except PEI, NL and NB in the past decade. I can honestly say I had faster, cheaper - even adjusted for inflation- and unrestricted service 10+ years ago than I do today in Ontario. My internet is capped at 20GB/month, bittorrent is throttled by my ISP when they choose, even without the throttle I'm lucky to exceed 40kbps and all this wonder costs me $47/mo. Teksavvy rides bell's lines and would be the same quality, albeit without the cap. We have only 2 other choices, satellite internet which is substantially more expensive, useless in anything more than light rain and similar speeds/caps or cable, which we're switching too, should be slightly faster and a 60GB cap but is only a few bucks cheaper. Capped internet is bull** and is really standing in the way we should be moving. How can I use online storage, netflix, steam and competitors, itunes etc etc etc when a single game is 50% of my cap and a single film is 5-10% and they take days to download. In it's current state I can't stream even the lowest quality videos. To those of you who live in Western Canada, hold on to what you got. When I left Shaw and Telus were in a continual fight and customers really got a great product out of it. Bell, Cogeco, Rogers are all garbage and I'm sure all of them are chomping at the bit to destroy net neutrality. Bell and Rogers both own the largest TV networks up here and between the two of them have distribution rights to pretty much every primetime hit show on the air. I think we're too late though. Too many people are computer idiots and the power is in the hands of greedy corporate ***s. You can easily check email and play farmville on 20GB/mo so what's the problem, right? /rant off TL:DR ** Bell.
Keta Fraal Nul and Booleans	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:30:00 - [18] I signed the petition and mailed the letter. Bell is a very large corporation with a charter to provide an infrastructure over their monopolized region. It is easy to say that they have ZERO cost in providing us access to an already constructed infrastructure, but they need to price their product to allow for future maintenance and growth in the infrastructure. If as most people are saying, customers are veering toward streaming content broadcast over the net Bell by charter has to guarantee service as it's demanded without interruption. One way or another prices will rise. Let's hope wages will rise too. --------------------------------------- I never asked for dancing babies, but OK
Brandoe Chung Gallente Phoenix Industries Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.03 03:49:00 - [19] I'm with Roger's myself. Last month about half way through the month I got the "You have used 75%" message. Then 2 days later after with just regular internet use I got the "You have used 100%" I called the customer service and at the end of the month my bill said I had used 0GB. It was a nice change. And the 98% bull is what they tell everyone. And they moved the max penalty to 50 bucks now I think. Never quote me the odds
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 04:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Keta Fraal I signed the petition and mailed the letter. Bell is a very large corporation with a charter to provide an infrastructure over their monopolized region. It is easy to say that they have ZERO cost in providing us access to an already constructed infrastructure, but they need to price their product to allow for future maintenance and growth in the infrastructure. If as most people are saying, customers are veering toward streaming content broadcast over the net Bell by charter has to guarantee service as it's demanded without interruption. One way or another prices will rise. Let's hope wages will rise too. dont forget the billions of dollars of government subsidies they recieved that must of been hard for them too

Amanda Mor Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.03 05:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Brandoe Chung I'm with Roger's myself. Last month about half way through the month I got the "You have used 75%" message. Then 2 days later after with just regular internet use I got the "You have used 100%" I called the customer service and at the end of the month my bill said I had used 0GB. It was a nice change. And the 98% bull is what they tell everyone. And they moved the max penalty to 50 bucks now I think. Nah, it's still $25/mth. I've got that message on my browser a few times in the last few months, but I've never been charged for it - just call them up and say "HUH!!! What is this!!" and they'll waive the charges. Originally by: Boogie Bobby I live in somewhat rural Ontario (10 000 people along the 401) and the internet here is by far the worst, most expensive, heavily restricted garbage I've seen anywhere in Canada and I have lived in and used internet in every one of the provinces except PEI, NL and NB in the past decade. I can honestly say I had faster, cheaper - even adjusted for inflation- and unrestricted service 10+ years ago than I do today in Ontario. My internet is capped at 20GB/month, bittorrent is throttled by my ISP when they choose, even without the throttle I'm lucky to exceed 40kbps and all this wonder costs me $47/mo. Teksavvy rides bell's lines and would be the same quality, albeit without the cap. We have only 2 other choices, satellite internet which is substantially more expensive, useless in anything more than light rain and similar speeds/caps or cable, which we're switching too, should be slightly faster and a 60GB cap but is only a few bucks cheaper. Capped internet is bull** and is really standing in the way we should be moving. How can I use online storage, netflix, steam and competitors, itunes etc etc etc when a single game is 50% of my cap and a single film is 5-10% and they take days to download. In it's current state I can't stream even the lowest quality videos. To those of you who live in Western Canada, hold on to what you got. When I left Shaw and Telus were in a continual fight and customers really got a great product out of it. Bell, Cogeco, Rogers are all garbage and I'm sure all of them are chomping at the bit to destroy net neutrality. Bell and Rogers both own the largest TV networks up here and between the two of them have distribution rights to pretty much every primetime hit show on the air. I think we're too late though. Too many people are computer idiots and the power is in the hands of greedy corporate ***s. You can easily check email and play farmville on 20GB/mo so what's the problem, right? /rant off TL:DR ** Bell. There's a big ol' Internet deadzone between Toronto and Ottawa, so none of this is surprising. I assume you're talking about the Belleville area - nobody cares about that region, so I'd suggest moving. This is what happens when you have a big country. My parents live further east along the 401 in an even smaller area, and they had to erect a giant tower on their house to get a signal for their "wireless" internet (which they aren't supposed to have in their area). ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that...
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:34:00 - [22] Wait We have More than Just me and a Couple of Guys at Stream In the Belleville area playing Eve? Quick, We must have a Meet up somewhere. Contact me Via Evemail and we can get arrangements going. Oh and Yes I signed the Petition and sent the leter, But I also have an Old Grandfathered Sympatico Unlimited DSL, and they will Pry that out of my Cold Dead Hands in about 60 Years LOL -- Bastet's Organization Of Mining
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2010.11.03 07:49:00 - [23] Who cares if we subsidized Bell's infrastructure? Or that rather than using their astronomical profits to upgrade said gov't subsidized infrastructure (perhaps keeping up with quality of of service in, say, Lithuania ... I dunno about you, but we're paying approx $80 USD a month for 10MB up with a 60Gb limit) they set anemic caps (didn't want that Netflix anyway ;_; ), draconian throttling policies and blame it on that supposed 2% who clog the backbone tubes with them there newfangled torrent thingerwhatsits. If you don't like what Bell's doing, you can always just take your business to the competi-- oh wait Your independent ISPs no longer have unlimited access to the tubes you paid for. Bell literally owns your tubes now and can charge what they like. No competition allowed (well, maybe someone theoretically COULD come along and pay out of pocket to wire Canada coast-to-coast with cable/fiberoptic, but they're certainly not gonna get it heavily subsidized by taxpayers like Bell did). gg CRTC
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 07:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Aloe Cloveris Who cares if we subsidized Bell's infrastructure? Or that rather than using their astronomical profits to upgrade said gov't subsidized infrastructure (perhaps keeping up with quality of of service in, say, Lithuania ... I dunno about you, but we're paying approx $80 USD a month for 10MB up with a 60Gb limit) they set anemic caps (didn't want that Netflix anyway ;_; ), draconian throttling policies and blame it on that supposed 2% who clog the backbone tubes with them there newfangled torrent thingerwhatsits. If you don't like what Bell's doing, you can always just take your business to the competi-- oh wait Your independent ISPs no longer have unlimited access to the tubes you paid for. Bell literally owns your tubes now and can charge what they like. No competition allowed (well, maybe someone theoretically COULD come along and pay out of pocket to wire Canada coast-to-coast with cable/fiberoptic, but they're certainly not gonna get it heavily subsidized by taxpayers like Bell did). gg CRTC if you were making a reference to my comment i was implying what you just wrote. About bell getting public handouts but not the little guys
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:06:00 - [25] Originally by: amarian arch if you were making a reference to my comment i was implying what you just wrote. About bell getting public handouts but not the little guys Oh. Crap. I actually read your post about 30 seconds after I went on my rant without fully reading the thread. So yeah, I guess I unwittingly rehashed everything you'd just said. At least we're in agreement that this is a brazenly ** move by the CRTC. How the hell do you or I even go about appealing a bull decision of this scale and significance? I'm genuinely curious if there's any way that this decision can be reversed or if we've just been **ed forever.
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:08:00 - [26] Edited by: amarian arch on 03/11/2010 08:10:09 Originally by: Aloe Cloveris Originally by: amarian arch if you were making a reference to my comment i was implying what you just wrote. About bell getting public handouts but not the little guys Oh. Crap. I actually read your post about 30 seconds after I went on my rant without fully reading the thread. So yeah, I guess I unwittingly rehashed everything you'd just said. At least we're in agreement that this is a brazenly ** move by the CRTC. How the hell do you or I even go about appealing a bull decision of this scale and significance? I'm genuinely curious if there's any way that this decision can be reversed or if we've just been **ed forever. petition and rant to the crtc and your local mp and everyone else. Its what im doing lol. Edit: I admire your initiative

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Jonny Miami Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.03 10:34:00 - [28] Quote: Do you do/want to do any of the following activities? - Download new games through STEAM? - Download movies or TV shows from iTunes? - Watch streaming movies or TV shows on your TV through Netflix? - Download the latest software updates? Guess what? You'll be paying more when Bell institutes UBB on your high speed connection. It could end up costing you $30 in addition to your existing bill! Sign me UP! I would gladly pay and extra 30 bucks for that. I currently pay around $130/mo for dsl and phone with a 30gb cap through NorthwesTel. Everything after 30gb is $10/gig. No cap on the surcharge. So 40 gigs is $230 and 50 gigs is $330 and so on. Thousand plus dollar phone bills are not unheard of for those people who have unsecure wireless networks or hotels with wireless for guests. Yes I would like to use another provider but NorthwesTel has a government approved monopoly and there are no other providers. One nwt rep has been quoted as saying 'we don't have a monopoly, you can choose to go without'. But that is a rant of mine for another day... Point is, this post is pointless.
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 11:03:00 - [29] Edited by: amarian arch on 03/11/2010 11:06:43 Originally by: Jonny Miami Quote: Do you do/want to do any of the following activities? - Download new games through STEAM? - Download movies or TV shows from iTunes? - Watch streaming movies or TV shows on your TV through Netflix? - Download the latest software updates? Guess what? You'll be paying more when Bell institutes UBB on your high speed connection. It could end up costing you $30 in addition to your existing bill! Sign me UP! I would gladly pay and extra 30 bucks for that. I currently pay around $130/mo for dsl and phone with a 30gb cap through NorthwesTel. Everything after 30gb is $10/gig. No cap on the surcharge. So 40 gigs is $230 and 50 gigs is $330 and so on. Thousand plus dollar phone bills are not unheard of for those people who have unsecure wireless networks or hotels with wireless for guests. Yes I would like to use another provider but NorthwesTel has a government approved monopoly and there are no other providers. One nwt rep has been quoted as saying 'we don't have a monopoly, you can choose to go without'. But that is a rant of mine for another day... you do realize they are forcing people to use whats being done to you right? They are forcing resellers that provide unlimited bandwith plans like teksavvy and viacom to charge like northwestel. Most importantly this effects the bell lines not northwestintel infastructure. In simple terms they are turning the few good companies that provide internet to users in the rest of canada into the one your dealing with right now. You mention northwest intel monopoly well the rest of canada is going to have the exact same system soon if this gets passed. In the future read the article.
amarian arch	Posted - 2010.11.03 11:15:00 - [30] Edited by: amarian arch on 03/11/2010 11:18:00



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