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Dark Daesmond	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:03:00 - [1] Hello all. I'm new to the game. To date, I've been mostly focused on PvE mission running and solo mining to get the basics under my belt. Ultimately, I'm interested in the PvP aspects of the game. As community members, what's your recommendation on the best way for me to get started in solo PvP (faction warfare, etc.)? Specifically, what are the first steps to take? How about races, ships, and loadouts? Any recommended guides? Ideally, I'd like relatively low cost options to learn. Eventually I'd like to find a corp to call home, but not until I determine the aspects of the game I enjoy best. I'm sure this has been covered before, but wanted to get up-to-date advice. Thanks in advance!
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Ralnik on 02/11/2010 23:13:43 Best way to get fights is to just get your self a decent frig and pop cans outside Jita 4-4 and rename them 1v1 frig fights. You will get some A-Holes from time to time, but you can get a decent amount of fights which will allow you to figure out how to best handle your ship. Did it with this toon his first month or two in game.. edit.. Also the first step in learning to PVP, is learning about the ships you will fight. Get used to looking up KB's and see how people fit the target ships you will typically fight. This is one of the most important aspects of PVPing..
Orimei	Posted - 2010.11.02 23:10:00 - [3] This guide is pretty good: rifter guide by wensley
Dark Daesmond	Posted - 2010.11.03 00:03:00 - [4] Ral - thanks, didn't consider the can pops. Ori, been reading that guide - great resource. Any alternatives to the can pops to start?
Orimei	Posted - 2010.11.03 00:09:00 - [5] Hang out in the top belt in amamake, some 200km up from the warp in. People will see you on scan and you can decide if you want to engage or leave. Speaking of the scanner: there are some excellent guides on it's use on youtube.
Dante Cowboy	Posted - 2010.11.03 01:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Ralnik Edited by: Ralnik on 02/11/2010 23:13:43 Also the first step in learning to PVP, is learning about the ships you will fight. Get used to looking up KB's and see how people fit the target ships you will typically fight. This is one of the most important aspects of PVPing.. what's a good killboard to look up? is there a way to filter the KBSs by certain type of ships killed?
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.03 02:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Ralnik Edited by: Ralnik on 02/11/2010 23:13:43 Best way to get fights is to just get your self a decent frig and pop cans outside Jita 4-4 and rename them 1v1 frig fights. You will get some A-Holes from time to time, but you can get a decent amount of fights which will allow you to figure out how to best handle your ship. Did it with this toon his first month or two in game.. edit.. Also the first step in learning to PVP, is learning about the ships you will fight. Get used to looking up KB's and see how people fit the target ships you will typically fight. This is one of the most important aspects of PVPing.. This. Since you're caldari, you should train rockets/standard missiles and use a kestrel for beginner solo pvp.
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Ralnik on 03/11/2010 06:11:57 Originally by: Dante Cowboy Originally by: Ralnik Edited by: Ralnik on 02/11/2010 23:13:43 Also the first step in learning to PVP, is learning about the ships you will fight. Get used to looking up KB's and see how people fit the target ships you will typically fight. This is one of the most important aspects of PVPing.. what's a good killboard to look up? is there a way to filter the KBSs by certain type of ships killed? For average high sec/low sec dwellers I typically just use http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/ because it typically has the most killmails from various places. However many bitter vets will cry the moment BC is mention because it's so not cool for the old school. So if you are trying to look up a specific corp/alliance that is a bit more organized then just do a search on google for "corp or alliance name + KB". KBs are the biggest and easiest form of intel you can get your hands on, learn to use them and don't take the fitting section on BC too serious as there are tons of crap fits there. Learn about the ships capabilities and what each mod does and then you can pick out and build decent fits for yourself. Something else that is a valuable tool, is understanding your skill set and how it affects your ship. Get in the habit of reading those boring little ship/mod & skill descriptions & attribute information.
Flippington Bigboy	Posted - 2010.11.03 06:35:00 - [9] In my experience by far the best way to get into this form of pvp is to join RvB for a while. It's involves two corps permanently at war with each other in high sec, so it's pretty much non-stop fighting most of the time (in marked contrast to FW, etc, where you might spend hours looking for a target). They have strict rules against podding, and will supply some of the larger ships at extremely cheap prices, so it's a very cost-effective way to learn. Also, Agony Unleashed run some excellent courses on all aspects of pvp and might be worth a look. Good luck
TheKalila	Posted - 2010.11.03 07:20:00 - [10] Step by Step Guide to Solo PvP for Noobz 1. Purchase ship 2. Set map statistics to Average pilots in system 3. Set destination to largest red blob outside of high sec (switch to security status mode to confirm) 4. ??? <- shoot stuff here 5. Profit and proclaim victor
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds Caldari Defence Initiative	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:19:00 - [11] Well i would say, be prepared to loose a lot of ships if you go solo. I started mostly solo and it took me 100 loses to start killing stuff. Rifter is classy, but I would recommend to shipup as soon ur able to use t2 medium guns or t2 missiles if you are caldari (or crosstrain to minnie). Not many people fly frigs in these days and it is hard to solo properly fitted cruiser in the frig/AF.
Daesmond Blacksea	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:02:00 - [12] Can't say thanks enough. Great feedback. I'll report back in a month or so to let everyone know the route I took.
Dark Daesmond	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:04:00 - [13] Too funny. Created a PvP alt and defaulted to that toon on last reply. Again, thank you.
Maz3r Rakum Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.11.03 21:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Maz3r Rakum on 03/11/2010 21:54:38 I'd recommend joining a PVP centric corp, perhaps in FW. I joined an Amarr Miltia corp a few months ago, learned a lot about small gang warfare, and pvp. Never regretted it for a second. BTW FW can be quite profitable. Also, start small, like a t1 frigate.
Xuthi Minmatar Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:41:00 - [15] Edited by: Xuthi on 04/11/2010 00:44:11 Originally by: Dark Daesmond Hello all. I'm new to the game. To date, I've been mostly focused on PvE mission running and solo mining to get the basics under my belt. Ultimately, I'm interested in the PvP aspects of the game. As community members, what's your recommendation on the best way for me to get started in solo PvP (faction warfare, etc.)? Specifically, what are the first steps to take? How about races, ships, and loadouts? Any recommended guides? Ideally, I'd like relatively low cost options to learn. Eventually I'd like to find a corp to call home, but not until I determine the aspects of the game I enjoy best. I'm sure this has been covered before, but wanted to get up-to-date advice. Thanks in advance! Hi, I too am also new to the game, been playing a few months now. Try FW out, plenty of fights to be found especially in small ships like frigs/t1 cruisers and great if you like solo pvp, just roam the FW plex area pipes. I think if you get in a rifter you will be too limited as to what targets to engage, thats what I found anyway. If you want a cheap and low sp required ship to fly around low sec/fw, try a thrasher. Gives you much more variety in targets to engage , you can take on most AF/inty/t1 frigs, of which there are lots in FW and low sec in general.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.04 01:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Xuthi you can take on most AF/inty/t1 frigs, of which there are lots in FW and low sec in general. You can do this in a rifter...
Xuthi Minmatar Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk Originally by: Xuthi you can take on most AF/inty/t1 frigs, of which there are lots in FW and low sec in general. You can do this in a rifter... Most of the solo pilots I see in FW are in AF's or faction frigs. I don't fly rifters but I'd think a noob in a rifter is going to struggle vs the large amount of ishkurs/jags/faction frigs I see. But I don't fly rifters so maybe I am wrong.
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:48:00 - [18] Noobs in anything will struggle at first unless they're in the blob where they won't learn anything at that stage. Ishkurs are VERY do-able in a Rifter. You got the range, you got the speed. Kill the drones while staying just inside scram range then pop him. Again noobs probably can't do that but they can try and then look at how it went. Point is that Rifters are cheap. AFs aren't - not if you intend going out and pushing a bit. I figure on a minimum of 5 losses before I find a fit that works for me. The only ship I've found (BC and down, Dramiel excepted) that didn't follow this rule was the Cynabal. I'm assuming the OP has already found Wesleys guide thread here....
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.04 13:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Othran Noobs in anything will struggle at first unless they're in the blob where they won't learn anything at that stage. Ishkurs are VERY do-able in a Rifter. You got the range, you got the speed. Kill the drones while staying just inside scram range then pop him. Again noobs probably can't do that but they can try and then look at how it went. Point is that Rifters are cheap. AFs aren't - not if you intend going out and pushing a bit. I figure on a minimum of 5 losses before I find a fit that works for me. The only ship I've found (BC and down, Dramiel excepted) that didn't follow this rule was the Cynabal. I'm assuming the OP has already found Wesleys guide thread here.... I hate cynabals and dramiels, but this man is right.
Jeebs Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:34:00 - [20] Edited by: Jeebs on 04/11/2010 15:36:32 Consider trying Red vs Blue. Lots of T1 frig fights, honored 1v1, and plenty of war targets just 2 systems away. It's a great way to get ramped up in the beginning without having to spend 3 hours on Jita trying to can flip.
jerichot Cutish Brunts	Posted - 2010.11.04 20:34:00 - [21] find a corp that have at least 4 or 5 people active at your playtime and go roaming with them, they will teach you the ropes. Dont choose some lame low sec gatecamping corp, or some moronic can flippin action , its just bad and you wont learn a thing. Any decent low sec corp should be able to get you T1 frig for free, fit some meta 3 items on it , till you understand whats going on . Dont go solo if you never pvp before, its doable but not very fun till you get more experience.
Abram Thrust Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.04 20:36:00 - [22] yeah, if you're very new to this PvP thing I'd give another +1 to Red vs. Blue, simply because there's a lot of friendly folk there (like me) who don't mind giving a new guy some training, even if he joined the other side. and once you're up to speed, you can stick around, or go somewhere elseto try other types of PvP all you want.
Vol Arm'OOO	Posted - 2010.11.04 21:02:00 - [23] Might I suggest can flipping as an introduction for new players to solo pvp? I tried getting a cheap ship and going the low sec route and found that I was hopelessly outclassed. Similarly, in fleets I found that I would have to jump here and there far across the universe to die quickly without learning all that much. With solo can flipping you will find that your opponents (apart from baiters) are often newish or inexpereienced/reluctant pvp'ers as the the better miners dont use cans. Thus there is a reasonable opportunity for success. Of course can flipping is not "true" pvp but imo it helps control your level of risk so that every time you engage someone you're not having your face ripped off. As I am new to eve and pvp myself I have found that can flipping (I use a cloaky ship) has taught me: 1) how to use the directional scanner; 2) aggro mechanics in empire; 3) the necessity of investigating your opponents so as to avoid can baiters; 4) how to read an opponents ship to see if he is baiting v. actually minning; 5) the mechanics of pointing and controlling distance. I also find that for me can flipping is adictive : its kinda like fishing which I do alot of in rl. Basically you throw something out and you see if the fish are biting.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:27:00 - [24] For various reasons I prefer flying solo as well. This thread has some good information on how to do it. RvB: This was a good way to get solo fights. You can ask for arranged 1v1s in the rvb channel and they will be honored. You can also try to pick off people in fleets. See Will AdamaÆs vidoes on this. It's a very good place for both beginners and more experienced solo pilots. Ammamake top belt: Well yes its ok to fly solo about 200 off from the top belt. But donÆt be surprised if when you finally get your opponent into structure a black bird or falcon suddenly appears and jams you. I havenÆt fought there too much because I have found that it is not really solo friendly. However if you ask in local for a solo fight I have found you will typically get someone to agree to it. And I havenÆt had one dishonored. There are some good pilots there. Jita 4/4 cans: I havenÆt tried that. It sounds like a good idea though. Certainly easy to reship if you lose. Are there any corps to look out for who dishonor? IÆm assuming itÆs understood you need to be able to hold your point in these fights right? That is the way it works most of the time. I would never agree to a 1v1 where people donÆt need to fit points. It is a bit too far removed from anything like real pvp. WensleyÆs rifter guide: Great guide! It was the most helpful to get me started. Definitely read it. Even if you arenÆt going to fly rifters û if you are going to get in frigate 1v1s chances are someone is going to be in a rifter. So learn about them. Plus there is general information. FW: Currently I am in faction war. I use the plex system to help get fights. I think the plexes are an excellent balance between the overly arranged ôagreed duelö and just trying to engage someone solo only to have their fleet warp directly on top of you and blob you. Basically I look for minor or medium fw complexes in very busy systems. Minor plexes only lets destroyer and all frigates except tech 2 frigates in. Medium plexes let everything minors let in as well plus cruisers and tech 2 frigates. I have been going to the systems with the most war targets and pirates I can find. (Ammamake and Auga - minmatar militia base system are my prime systems to check but I never found a medium or minor plex there recently) I then go to the different planets and try to open plexes. If you move away from the ôwarp inö point in the opposite direction of the rats about 75km then the rats won't aggro you and you can fight people as they come in the gate. If you engage far enough from the entry point to the plex even if they bring more friends you will have at least have some chance of being able to make your kill and warp before they can catch up. At least they canÆt warp right on top of you. I would recommend this system to any people who like to fly solo. I have done this for about 6 hours and got 4 decent fights. The drawbacks are that you will often sit in that plex and it seems no one knows your there! Even in busy systems I think they assume you will just warp off if they come. I would say about 2 of the 6 hours was spent just sitting in the plex û sometimes I kill the rats for their tags. It gets boring. Just donÆt complete the plex because then no one will see the beacon in the overview. Also finding plexes in most busy systems is very hard. Probably about 4 of the 6 hours is spent going from planet to planet and running your onboard scanner with very little luck finding plexes. This is pretty tedious. I play in us tz so that may be why itÆs so hard to find them. I understand there are more of them after right after downtime. Good luck flying solo. IMO CCP made the game so solo and small gang stuff are hard to do, but it can be done. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Jamradar Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2010.11.06 22:14:00 - [25] If you're solo roaming, keep in mind your viable targets to engage. Not saying to be a coward and run from every ship that might be better than you, but getting popped 5 seconds into a fight won't exactly teach you anything other than how not to approach. With that said, you can probably work out that you will have a very limited range of stuff you can engage if your pvp skills are not too high. As everyone else said, stick with a small gang or a helpful pvp corp until you have the resources/logistics/skill to lose many ships, cause solo'ing isn't easy (contrary to what some of the higher sp character people would like to claim). Also, RvB is a good place to brush up on the basics.
Oleg Boonikov	Posted - 2010.11.06 22:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Daesmond Solo PVP - best way to get started? Flying a Rifter in Amamake.
Ralnik Mutineers	Posted - 2010.11.06 23:14:00 - [27] Edited by: Ralnik on 06/11/2010 23:16:24 Originally by: Oleg Boonikov Originally by: Dark Daesmond Solo PVP - best way to get started? Flying a Rifter in Amamake. Amamake isn't what it once was, it's been full of blobbers for quite some time. That single rifter will end up with 20 KM *****s landing on top of it. The slower systems close by it are ok, such as Bos, Gulm, Vard ect.. However reason I suggest popping cans out side Jita, is because to learn you need as many fights as possible. Going out hunting for targets in low sec teaches you things, but the fights are few and far between, specially for a newer player. Granted my first toon lived and learned how to PVP in those very systems, but I spent many nights chasing targets and missing them.. Getting arranged fights out side station is a much faster way to get the basic down and learn how to handle your ship. Once yea get the hang of that, then it's a good idea to progress further into low sec roaming.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.07 00:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Ralnik Edited by: Ralnik on 06/11/2010 23:16:24 Originally by: Oleg Boonikov Originally by: Dark Daesmond Solo PVP - best way to get started? Flying a Rifter in Amamake. Amamake isn't what it once was, it's been full of blobbers for quite some time. Blobbs and cap intervention are all over FW these days. I would advise someone looking for 'solo' pvp to get into a npc nullsec corp. They have the fewest objectives that encourage blobbing. The downside is, they also have a tendancy to get **** on by their sov neighbors on a regular basis (i'm guilty of this, sorry) and life is pretty tough. But, if you're just looking for small gangs that's the place to be.
Ar Zor Jupiter Force	Posted - 2010.11.07 12:16:00 - [29] Don't join a PvP corp unless you know someone who is awesome[1] and willing to help. Good ones won't take you, bad ones will do more harm than good, teaching you to accept defeat in an equal numbers fight as a norm and to expect to blob everything. Hang out in lowsec, first in a frig, then in a battlecruiser. With a frig, you'll mostly just learn to run away, stay aligned, etc. If you see something you can kill, go for it of course, but mostly you'll be running. Once you got that part down, get into a battlecruiser and pick on smaller ships you can kill before their backup arrives, or on other BCs that are piloted by players whose first page on Battleclinic is mostly solo kills. [1] What looks awesome to you right now probably isn't.
Dark Daesmond	Posted - 2010.11.12 03:14:00 - [30] Wanted to thank everyone again for the input. I'll re-post in a bit. Thanks again!

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