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Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 21:38:00 - [1] I do not know if this is the right place for this, but here goes. I apologise if my English is badly structured or if my grammar makes little sense. Problem: There is an inability to skill train alternate characters on the primary account while any one of the possible other two characters is in training. Proposal: Permit skill training on alternate account characters providing a simple limitation is met. Linked accounts could provide a mechanism for extending real time training to alternate characters on the same account and at the same time, increase the revenue to CCP by way of enhanced subscriptions. Suggestion: Create a æLinked AccountÆ. A linked account player would have a maximum of main player and not more than two alternate players, but would pay a slightly increased monthly premium. The Linked Account player would gain the ability to train one or both alternate character with skills while the primary character is in training. The linked player would lose the status for a linked account if any character created for linking is either returned to the biomass, or sold onto another character or becomes no longer a part of that account or if the enhanced premium due fails to be met. I have no doubt this topic may have been already completely discussed and I apologise if the topic has already been debated. I simply could not find such a topic with this proposed solution. Thank you. Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.11.03 21:59:00 - [2] Second account. Problem solved. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 22:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Mag's Second account. Problem solved. No it doesnt Mag's. A Second account enables a player to have two main account characters and four alternative account characters. The ratio of skill learning is exactly the same. My proposal would apply to any number of accounts held as it relates to secondary and tertiary characters on the same account. But thank you for your input. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.03 22:08:00 - [4] Second account, only option. Otherwise Features and Ideas is thataway ->
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 22:14:00 - [5] Hi Leksi Bar'zuk Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk Second account, only option. Otherwise Features and Ideas is thataway -> Thank you for your input. I am aware of the current limitation and that is why I worded my entry as a proposal. If I have it entered it into the wrong discussion place I don't mind moving it. I know a smart longer term player who may be more adept than I, would share with me to where it would be relocated. I just have to wait for that I guess. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.03 22:21:00 - [6] What problem are you trying to solve here? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia What problem are you trying to solve here? He doesn't want a second account, but wants to train more than 1 character at a time.
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:35:00 - [8] Hi Tippia. Originally by: Tippia What problem are you trying to solve here? My proposal is to enable a player, to train two or more characters on the same account simultaneously, (at the same time). In truth I would be gaining Skill Points for more than one character on the same account, at the same time. Currently, players have to æpauseÆ training on one character to permit a second or third character, on the same account, to gain skill points. In essence, only one character at a time can accumulate skill points. My proposal is for a small fee and with a simple restriction to enable training and subsequent gaining of skill points to more than one character on the same account at one and the same time. For example, and this may not be the best example, training Planetary Interaction skills on three characters to maximise the ability for the account to turn the project into a profit earlier than if each character gained the required skills sequentially. I feel confident other examples could be thought of by more experienced players. The limitation and recognition of ælinkingÆ to preserve the characters on the account would render this practical and would reasonably expect an increased cost per month. I have more than one account and understand the argument for that. However, the worst case scenario to train three characters at the same time is to have three accounts, and six characters not doing anything! VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Virtual Freedom My proposal is to enable a player, to train two or more characters on the same account simultaneously, (at the same time). Yes, but why? You're basically just repeating what's in the OP, but the question remains: As others have mentioned, the effect you're after (training more skills at once for a fee) can already be had by acquiring two accounts. So why is this needed? What problem are you trying to solve? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:45:00 - [10] Thank you for looking in Breaker77 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Tippia What problem are you trying to solve here? He doesn't want a second account, but wants to train more than 1 character at a time. I do have a second account, currently skilled to a Mackinaw to ice mine to pay the bills as it were. That character is training to ORCA levels to enable hauling to done with some security. The two alts on that account languish uselessly as they cannot train while the æOrca driver to beÆ hogs the skill points. By the way, if you check the info of a character, you can identify the storyline gender of said character from the profile, itÆs easyà VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN

Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Virtual Freedom My proposal is to enable a player, to train two or more characters on the same account simultaneously, (at the same time). Yes, but why? You're basically just repeating what's in the OP, but the question remains: As others have mentioned, the effect you're after (training more skills at once for a fee) can already be had by acquiring two accounts. So why is this needed? What problem are you trying to solve? With two accounts, you can indeed train two characters at the same time. Both accounts will have one character in training. Two characters on each account will be going untrained. Of six possible characters, only two will be gaining skill points, four, will not. My proposal, not to repeat myself, is to enable more than one character on the same account to gain skill points at the same time for an addition fee. Ie, with two accounts, that would be SIX characters training and earning Skill Points at the same time. It is terribly hard concept to grasp I accept, but even if I had one single account, I would be able to train all three characters at the same time, thus potentially, earning three times the skill points per hour than I do currently, but spread over three characters. If you suggest, that having three accounts would enable me to train three characters, you would understand that my point has been lost as there would be six characters languishing untrained for that to happen. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Virtual Freedom With two accounts, you can indeed train two characters at the same time. Both accounts will have one character in training. Two characters on each account will be going untrained. Of six possible characters, only two will be gaining skill points, four, will not. Yes, but what makes this a problem? What, exactly, are you trying to solve? Quote: It is terribly hard concept to grasp Not really. It just seems like a complete non-issue. You have character slots that you can't train at the same timeà so what? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:00:00 - [13] Would the word 'Simultaneously' help, so that characters on the same account, at the same time, were training skill points simultaneously? I know I did not need to add this statement, but the point seems to be lost somehow in translation. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Tippia ...Not really. It just seems like a complete non-issue. You have character slots that you can't train at the same timeà so what? Thats why I worded it as a proposal, an instrument to intiate potential change from the perceived norm, or the accepted path by modifying, changing or altering the procedure by agreement. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Virtual Freedom Would the word 'Simultaneously' help, so that characters on the same account, at the same time, were training skill points simultaneously? Not really, no. It still doesn't explain why it's needed, or why it's a problem that needs to be solved. You don't have to worry about your proposal being hard to understand ù you just don't give much reasoning as to why it's at all necessary, especially given that the same effect can be had through other means. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Dian Rasd Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:10:00 - [16] Actually this isn't a bad idea at all. Say you pay 20-25 bucks/month and gain the ability to train a second char on your account. It's cheaper than 2 accounts cause you don't have the advantage of logging in both characters at once. This would be very welcome for people like me who start a buddy invite trial to try something out and discontinue that new account after 51 days. Also people who have the need to have multiple chars but don't want to multitask them. So, needed? Maybe not. Nice to have as an option? Definitely.
Misanthra	Posted - 2010.11.04 03:46:00 - [17] Power of 2 purpose built alt(s) x-transfer before 6 months up ??? profit Above got me a freighter pilot and an indy on past offerings. Indy was a year train to be all done...least first 6 months cheaper. Keeps food on the table quite nicely. Worth every penny imo.
Thosgar	Posted - 2010.11.04 07:26:00 - [18] I understand what you are trying to do and it makes sense. Have 1 account with 3 characters training by paying more than 15.00 bucks a month, instead paying maybe 20 or 25, thereby saving 5 to 10 bucks per month because you only have 1 account and can train 3 characters rather than 2. Its make plenty of sense, but it will never happen because as it stands, CCP is making much more money this way... in order to train 3 characters now, you need 3 accounts which costs 20 bucks initially each and 15 bucks each per month. So CCP (or whoever) would be in a sense losing 40 bucks initially and then 25-35 bucks per month after. So why would they ever implement this. I wish they would, honestly. This would allow me to train more than 1 character and save me from massive wife aggro for having for than 1 account like 99.5% of the other players on EVE. Anyway, good idea, but I dont see it ever happening because of the money lost.
Virtual Freedom	Posted - 2010.11.04 10:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Thosgar . . . .<snipped>. . . Anyway, good idea, but I dont see it ever happening because of the money lost. It would not reduce my monthly payment. I would still have two accounts so that I could have duallity of presence. But I would not mind paying MORE for those accounts to enable training of the alts alongside training the mains. Rather than reduce the income to CCP, I am proposing an INCREASE of revenue to CCP without more accounts being added and the better enabling of those accounts for the players, thus, promoting further interest in the game, and enhanced retention of an active player base. VF Signature ---------------------- ---------------------- NNNN
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.11.04 10:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Virtual Freedom Rather than reduce the income to CCP, I am proposing an INCREASE of revenue to CCP without more accounts being added and the better enabling of those accounts for the players, thus, promoting further interest in the game, and enhanced retention of an active player base. Why would CCP want to make 5 or 10 extra dollars per month, when they can make 15 with another account?

Mart Allini	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Virtual Freedom It would not reduce my monthly payment. I would still have two accounts so that I could have duallity of presence. But I would not mind paying MORE for those accounts to enable training of the alts alongside training the mains. Rather than reduce the income to CCP, I am proposing an INCREASE of revenue to CCP without more accounts being added and the better enabling of those accounts for the players, thus, promoting further interest in the game, and enhanced retention of an active player base. VF It might not reduce your monthly payment, but I'm sure there a re plenty of people(myself included) who have several accounts but don't need to use them at the same time. All these people would now be spending less money than they were spending originally. So, what you're asking for is for CCP to spend time to implement a feature that will lose them money. Never gonna happen Nothing is impossible. We just haven't quite worked out how to do it yet.
Matalino	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:41:00 - [22] This feature is currently available at the cost of $60 for the first 45 days, then $15 per month of additional training. They also offer a discount if you purchase the additional training in blocks of 3, 6 or 12 months. As an added bonus, CCP will allow you to log into both your main and alt at the same time while taking advantage of this offer. About twice a year, they also have a special offer where you can get 6 months training on your alt for $90. I think that it is unlikely that they will be decreasing the cost of this service in the near future.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2010.11.04 17:13:00 - [23] This was a beaten up dead horse when I started in 2006. I can copy/paste this reply in 2014. The problem with your proposal is that it does not increase revenue. It will give a one time cash influx of half the EVE community merging characters of several accounts into single accounts, after which they can continue playing at reduced fees. You're going to need 2 people who start to pay extra for every person who merges 2 accounts into one just to maintain revenue. Actually increasing revenue, not a chance. I can see this happening when subscriber numbers are dwindling and a second account becomes a rare thing to have but until then, no. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Zophos Akratos Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.11.05 22:57:00 - [24] The problem is that people will just always train their alts so they can sell them in the character bazaar. If they enable alt training at 1 account, they should make it so that you cannot sell the second and third character slot. And it would be lame if they made it a paid function imo. (Why not buy two accounts then eh)
Troll Sterger	Posted - 2010.11.06 21:38:00 - [25] This is pointless. There's only 3 ways of doing it. None of them make sense. Case one, each character costs the same as an account: People aren't going to pay the same to get less out of it. Case two, each character costs more than an account: This has an even worse problem than case one. Case three, each character costs less than an account: This makes at least some sense to players, but CCP would have to take the time to implement a feature that loses money by design.
Bernard Schuyler	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:22:00 - [26] The common sense solution would be to have a 2nd character training cost a PLEX. Essentially paying the same as a second account, but just keeping a single account for people who only want one account for whatever reason.
Ravenal The Fated E.Y	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:39:00 - [27] Really: Training more than 1 characters on the same account This is like five posts down ... Basics of allowing training of second character on same account by using standard payment methods: - You lose the ability to log both characters in at the same time like if they were on separate accounts. - You gain the ability to still use the character after payments have stopped. The only problem would be how much programming time and such is required to make this happen ... with a tiny change in counting number of subscribers to "characters in training" this would most likely be a boon to CCP. ... have at it! .


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