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Cheekything Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:20:00 - [1] There are three that I know of that do not make any sense and may have been posted before. Firstly Jump bridge do not allow alliance member to use it unless they have a password and to make it worse it's not a different password and has to use the same as the POS shields. It should have a settings: Allow use for corp/alliance/standings Password use for corp/alliance/standings. Secondly bubbles and points stop people from jumping, now considering that the bridges are meant to act like gates why does pointing a non aggressed ship stop it from jumping. It just seems really weird. Lastly jump bridges don't take fuel from your cargo which is a bit of a hassle for some people as you don't know exactly how much fuel you need and then have to put that amount fuel into the bridge.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:28:00 - [2] Originally by: Cheekything It should have a settings: Allow use for corp/alliance/standings Password use for corp/alliance/standings. Absolutely. It's about time that every JB doesn't require you to re-enter a password. Originally by: Cheekything Secondly bubbles and points stop people from jumping, now considering that the bridges are meant to act like gates why does pointing a non aggressed ship stop it from jumping. Gates are different from bridges and I don't really have a problem with prohibiting ships from using a bridge if it can't activate its warp drive. Bridges are more like jump drives anyways, and you can't jump out if you're scrammed. Originally by: Cheekything Lastly jump bridges don't take fuel from your cargo which is a bit of a hassle for some people as you don't know exactly how much fuel you need and then have to put that amount fuel into the bridge. There should be some sort of script that the server runs that checks the JB itself for fuel and if it doesn't find it, looks in the ship that's activating it and asks the pilot if he wants to use X units of LO to jump through. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Grozdan Boyadijev	Posted - 2010.11.04 01:33:00 - [3] I support allowing JBs to have a separate password from POS shields, at the very least. In regards to the not knowing how much fuel you need to jump, there actually is a formula for it, but it involves knowing the distance of the jump in order to calculate the fuel required.
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:56:00 - [4] "Lastly jump bridges don't take fuel from your cargo which is a bit of a hassle for some people as you don't know exactly how much fuel you need and then have to put that amount fuel into the bridge." yes please. the rest of your idea is garbage. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
Cheekything Dark-Rising	Posted - 2010.11.04 03:36:00 - [5] Edited by: Cheekything on 04/11/2010 03:38:51 Originally by: Grozdan Boyadijev I support allowing JBs to have a separate password from POS shields, at the very least. In regards to the not knowing how much fuel you need to jump, there actually is a formula for it, but it involves knowing the distance of the jump in order to calculate the fuel required. I'm very aware of it but there isn't an easy to work it out in game which is more of the problem, unlike jump fuel it varies dependant on the ship you are flying. Originally by: Minigin "Lastly jump bridges don't take fuel from your cargo which is a bit of a hassle for some people as you don't know exactly how much fuel you need and then have to put that amount fuel into the bridge." yes please. the rest of your idea is garbage. Your entitled to your own opinions.
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:37:00 - [6] "Absolutely. It's about time that every JB doesn't require you to re-enter a password." it just occured to me you have spent about 5 pages on the other jb thread claiming i wanted easy mode for eve because i wanted to have alliance only use of jbs... . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.04 16:10:00 - [7] You're not particularly good at drawing logical conclusions. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.04 16:56:00 - [8] i just thought it was a little funny... . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.04 17:50:00 - [9] Mmm hmmmm. Hilariously funny. Why, your desire for Easy Mode is totally the same thing as not wanting to have to hit G5, G6, G7, etc... for the various bridges. Getting rid of a minor annoyance is the same as your desire for Easy Mode. Perceptive. Yep. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:05:00 - [10] Edited by: Minigin on 05/11/2010 15:11:14 itt nc finds it too "annoying" to tpye passwords for various jbs that let them travel practically anywhere in the top hemisphere of the eve universe. instant conclusion everyone else wants easy mode! carry on brave nc! . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
SXYGeeK do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.05 16:32:00 - [11] Edited by: SXYGeeK on 05/11/2010 16:34:40 Originally by: Minigin itt nc finds it too "annoying" to tpye passwords for various jbs that let them travel practically anywhere in the top hemisphere of the eve universe. instant conclusion everyone else wants easy mode! carry on brave nc! It's not just the NC that has massive networks of jump bridges. they exist through the drones as well as delve/querious. you seem to single out the NC for everything based on your own political affiliation. I'll agree with you that with the current situation of server node lag the tendency to very large fleet battles is bit conflicting. Those battles could be awesome, were the server able to handle them anywhere close to playable, and were there viable options for meaningful smaller conflict. Folks are going to find a way to work together in these big coalitions, that's always going to be a tendency that you're not going put a stop too with some game mechanic changes. It's possible to influence or encourage the opposite, but it's difficult to do so without placing arbitrary restrictions or inequities (which CCP wishes to avoid). I think there are many other things CCP could do to revise dominion SOV that could help a lot more than some restrictions to bridges, I don't think we should completely discount some changes to bridges, but they aren't the fix all solution you make them out to be. what do you think of the idea's here... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1235109&page=9#270 presented to encourage some small and roaming conflict in addition to the fleet slugfests, as well as allow a little better cross TZ sov warfare. -We So SeXy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.05 18:41:00 - [12] Originally by: SXYGeeK It's not just the NC that has massive networks of jump bridges. they exist through the drones as well as delve/querious. you seem to single out the NC for everything based on your own political affiliation. Mini's love of trolling aside, there is no good reason that bridges can't be set for standings rather than requiring the annoyance of retyping passwords for each bridge. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:15:00 - [13] while we are at it, we should also make it so that you dont need a cyno to jump places, lets face it... its too annoying to have to put a cyno where you want to go... lets make it so that you can just jump to wherever you want! this game is way too tedious with all these severe restrictions to travel. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
SXYGeeK Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Minigin while we are at it, we should also make it so that you dont need a cyno to jump places, lets face it... its too annoying to have to put a cyno where you want to go... lets make it so that you can just jump to wherever you want! this game is way too tedious with all these severe restrictions to travel. Sarcasm doesn't work well in text my friend, well maybe for you it would if you adopted a different color to indicate sarcasm, but i digress... If you couldn't make it out from my post I was trying to agree with you on your concern for fleet warfare and perhaps get your thoughts on some of my idea's. But it looks from your response that you're more interested in trolling. -We So SeXy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:47:00 - [15] Originally by: SXYGeeK But it looks from your response that you're more interested in trolling. It's interesting, and hard to tell. Does mini troll constantly, or are his logical skills simply nonexistent? He likes to feign stupidity/mental damage in order to troll people, I think. I waver back and forth in my judgment. Maybe he really does believe that not having to enter a password for every bridge, saving someone literally .3 seconds to a whole two seconds, is somehow analogous to being able to use jump drives without requiring a cyno and having limitless range for those drives. But probably he's just trolling. In any case, the 2/3 of the OP's points are solid. Pointless restrictions like requiring someone to enter a pw each bridge or not being able to take fuel from authorized users is simply a set of annoyances set up for no real reason; it's adding gnats to the picnic because some developer thought that the Gnat Quotient wasn't high enough. But effectively allowing the equivalent of using jump drives while pointed/bubbled is a bad, bad idea. Still, 2 out of 3 aint bad. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:52:00 - [16] i wasnt talking about or to you. im just laughing at that finnagain guy who spent the better part of the last week telling me that this game shouldnt be changed because "you want easy mode" i also have another suggestion btw, maybe we should make it so that you can autopilot a fight also! so that you dont need to fire your guns or lock targets... the game should detect ships that are being primaried and just shoot them with the right ammo. its too annoying to do those things manually. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
Double Dee Perkone	Posted - 2010.11.06 00:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Double Dee on 06/11/2010 00:45:00 this is a great idea that i can get behind. in addition to the jb (jump bridge) checking your cargo bay for fuel to activate, there should also be an option to check for any fuel in any stations in the constellation. maybe region but that might be too much. on another note, bittergin (minigin) needs to go back to his own mega fail thread about nerfing jump bridges and stay there. honestly man, you want to make something that needs fixed even worse? stop smoking that illegal stuff and start making sense.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.06 01:29:00 - [18] Quote: [responds to me directly, talking about me directly by name, says that he's not talking to me] [compares not having to retype passwords with server auto-running fleets and selecting targets and ammunition] See what I mean? Anyways, low-comedy aside... Originally by: Double Dee in addition to the jb (jump bridge) checking your cargo bay for fuel to activate, there should also be an option to check for any fuel in any stations in the constellation. Nah, that makes them gravely OP. With current mechanics, at the very least, in order to use a bridge you actually have to physically bring fuel to it, making haulers or other ships vulnerable to attack while they're adding fuel. Allowing ships to use their cargo holds removes a layer of unnecessary aggravation, but allowing bridges to check stations (to say nothing of all stations in a constellation) allows a bridge that's functionally impossible for an enemy to keep un-fueled. If all you have to do is get to the bridge and click 'jump' and you don't actually have to bring resources to it, there's no way to prevent the flow of LO to the bring short of multiple corp-thefts and robbing every corp that has an office in ever station in the constellation (or even that station). Not a good idea. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.11.06 08:33:00 - [19] LOLOLOLOL YOU THINK "JUMP BRIDGES NEED TO BE FIXED"????? AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN YOU ARE COMPLETELY ******ED. you are all sorts of hypocracy rolled into one stupid poster. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.06 21:09:00 - [20] Instead of vacuous raging, please describe what "hypocracy" you've convinced yourself exists. (The word, by the way, is hypocrisy. The suffix "cracy" denotes a form of government, so hypocracy would be a government ruled by lower oxidation states) Please, no more trolling about having to type a password is equivalent to jumping without a cyno or the server running battles for the players. It's obvious that you don't actually belive it, and I've asked you to stop pretending that you have Autism in order to troll people. There are people with the disorder (Asperger's) that you're pretending to have, and in general they are some very decent people dealing with a very hard situation. You mocking them by pretending to be Autistic in order to troll people on an anonymous message board is a really, really, really slimy behavior. There are people who have actual problems with obsessive and repetitive behavior rather than the stuff you engage in jut to troll people (the NC, the NC, the NC!!!). There are people who actually lack fundamental semantic understanding and are unable to recognize the nuances of how language works (it's easier to not type a password than to type a password, it's easier to have the server decide fleet fights while you go grab a snack instead of piloting, and it's easier to be able to jump anywhere in EVE without a cyno, therefore they're all an easy mode of play in the exact same way!). And there are people who actually lack empathy and the ability to understand where other people are coming from (based on what you have said, I will define how you can have fun and whether or not you are really having fun doing what you're doing). For you to pretend to be autistic and mock them with your behavior simply to **** people off on the internet is shameful, and you really should be ashamed of yourself. Stop it. Autistic people have it hard enough without some guy on the 'net using their difficulties as some sort of sick joke. Sick and shameful. Do you actually have any logical arguments to contribute, at all, or is it simply ragetrolling? Would you like to calm down and start over, and I can try to discuss whatever it is that's got you so angry without trolling? ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.06 23:02:00 - [21] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Instead of vacuous raging, please describe what "hypocracy" you've convinced yourself exists. (The word, by the way, is hypocrisy. The suffix "cracy" denotes a form of government, so hypocracy would be a government ruled by lower oxidation states) Please, no more trolling about having to type a password is equivalent to jumping without a cyno or the server running battles for the players. It's obvious that you don't actually belive it, and I've asked you to stop pretending that you have Autism in order to troll people. There are people with the disorder (Asperger's) that you're pretending to have, and in general they are some very decent people dealing with a very hard situation. You mocking them by pretending to be Autistic in order to troll people on an anonymous message board is a really, really, really slimy behavior. *There are people who have actual problems with obsessive and repetitive behavior* rather than the stuff you engage in jut to troll people (the NC, the NC, the NC!!!). There are people who actually lack fundamental semantic understanding and are unable to recognize the nuances of how language works (it's easier to not type a password than to type a password, it's easier to have the server decide fleet fights while you go grab a snack instead of piloting, and it's easier to be able to jump anywhere in EVE without a cyno, therefore they're all an easy mode of play in the exact same way!). And there are people who actually lack empathy and the ability to understand where other people are coming from (based on what you have said, I will define how you can have fun and whether or not you are really having fun doing what you're doing). For you to pretend to be autistic and mock them with your behavior simply to people off on the internet is shameful, and you really should be ashamed of yourself. Stop it. Autistic people have it hard enough without some guy on the 'net using their difficulties as some sort of sick joke.** Sick and shameful. Do you actually have any logical arguments to contribute, at all, or is it simply ragetrolling? Would you like to calm down and start over, and I can try to discuss whatever it is that's got you so angry without trolling? i think we should also remove fueling towers, thats pretty repetative and annoying... wouldnt it be so much easier if towers just filled themselves? . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.07 00:45:00 - [22] I see, you have no answer and you're not interested in honest discussion and you're just a troll. And again, your act of pretending to be autistic as some sort of joke is simply disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:11:00 - [23] you just spent an entire week ranting about how things are working as they were intended and then you say jump bridges need to be fixed, they arnt easy enough to use yet???? lets not throw stones in glass houses. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
SXYGeeK Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:23:00 - [24] There is a bit of a difference between not having to enter a password to jump every time, and having the game make tactical decisions for the player (locking / selecting ammo). CCP have been trying across the board to make some of the tedious things easier to get through. stuff like "Align to" on bookmarks. It was possible to do before by know which celestial the BM was near and aligning to that instead, or manual aligning. Now it's less steps to go through to accomplish the same thing. the player still has to setup the BMs, and plan ahead to use them. (Sarcastic suggestion, how about being able to warp to anywhere at any range instantly...) see what I did there, bit of a difference. stuff like combat hotkeys that are coming in incursion. shortcuts to give your ship tactical commands, the player is still thinking and making the decisions, just easier to execute them. Not having to enter a password every bloody time is not going to give a player advantage. It would simply remove one of the needless tedious annoyances in the game. Again, I think Bridges could use a look at balancing, but making them awkward and annoying as a balancing point is fail. Did you get around to reading some of my other idea's on dominion sov battles ? -We So SeXy
Minigin Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Minigin on 07/11/2010 02:30:32 i dont see a real issue with typing a password... we have serious issues like 0.0 is boring as hell because of enourmous coalitions and we are worrying about how annoying it is for people to use something which is so remarkably useful and saves soooooo much time? typing a password essentially cuts 20 mins off your travel... if thats too "annoying" i have no idea what the hell some people in the nc are thinking... that finnagain moron especially. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:37:00 - [26] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 07/11/2010 02:44:38 Edit: And again, anti-NC ragetrolling. What's it going to stop for you to stop trolling, exactly? Yes, game mechanics working as intended and people being able to cooperate in an MMO is a serious issue and makes you absolutely frothy-berserk with rage. We get it. Go play WoW where you can have properly balanced instanced combat and you don't have to worry about people being able to form groups that are bigger than yours. Quote: Do you actually have any logical arguments to contribute, at all, or is it simply ragetrolling? Would you like to calm down and start over, and I can try to discuss whatever it is that's got you so angry without trolling? x2 Quote: you just spent an entire week ranting about how things are working as they were intended and then you say jump bridges need to be fixed, they arnt easy enough to use yet???? Yet again, we all know that you're trolling, and you're not particularly clever at it. Removing the minor annoyance of taking .3 seconds to a (gasp!) whole two seconds to type out a password is hardly making bridges significantly "easier" to use. You aren't fooling anybody, at all, when you pretend that saving .3 seconds is equivalent to the sever running fleet combat with no input from players, or being able to jump unlimited distances without a cyno, or your desire for Easy Mode whereby people wouldn't work together to defend POS's, or attack targets, or what have you. It's obvious that you really don't believe that 'easy' in the Easy Mode that you want is anywhere close to reducing a minor annoyance makes that feature 'easier'. It's obvious that you're trolling. Because (and again, this is why you need to understand basic logic)if you are serious that removing a minor annoyance is the same thing as your proposal for removing most of the functionality from JB's, then you are admitting that you were trolling in the other thread and what you claimed would have a significant impact would, in fact, only remove a minor annoyance. So even if you are being honest here (which you're rather obviously not) the question becomes: were you trolling then, or are you trolling now? But of course, you were trolling both times. And again do you actually have any logical arguments to contribute, at all, or is it simply ragetrolling? Would you like to calm down and start over, and I can try to discuss whatever it is that's got you so angry without trolling? ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Minigin Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:40:00 - [27] ok i have an honest question... what the hell is ragetrolling? . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
SXYGeeK Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.07 02:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 07/11/2010 02:30:32 i dont see a real issue with typing a password... we have serious issues like 0.0 is boring as hell because of enourmous coalitions and we are worrying about how annoying it is for people to use something which is so remarkably useful and saves soooooo much time? typing a password essentially cuts 20 mins off your travel... if thats too "annoying" i have no idea what the hell some people in the nc are thinking... that finnagain moron especially. Yes, there are some bigger fish to fry, but there's no reason they can't fry a few shrimp too. Most bridges only circumvent a few jumps. In a long haul across the NC's jump bridge network we're actually lucky to cut the jumps to destination in half with bridges. example, to get to Lxq for me by bridge is 25 jumps, 39 by gate to gate. yes it's a difference, but not several hours difference as you seem to suggest by your "20 mins" per bridge comment. If we want to balance how effective bridge are in moving people around, well their being annoying to use should not be part of that balancing, it's just frustrating. I don't really agree that 0.0 is boring "because of" the big coalitions. I think that people are going to group up until a practical limitation in the group is reached. It is human nature, and CCP encourages this in Eve. what makes Eve boring in light of the big coalitions is that there are few opportunities for smaller independents to compete, and that the mechanics that "artificially" determine who controls sov encourage large blob warfare. definitely not what we expected when CCP described their intention for dominion to have "emergent and declarative sov control" I expected something very much like how the industrial and military indexes worked. simply being in the space, defending it, exploiting it, would give you claim over a system. a combination of PVE and PVP achievements would gain and maintain SOV. be interrupted from PVE or slaughtered in PVP and your control would wain. Even if TCU's and SBU's and such where removed completely (which i wouldn't cry about) capital fleets would still have a place in attacking key infrastructure, like those bridges you like going on about. If you really want to focus on the bigger things we could do to improve the 0.0 game let's, I've given you several opportunities to discuss and you just stick to your trollish hardline of raging on the NC. -We So SeXy
Minigin Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:06:00 - [29] this is why i cant take nc guys seriously... you are honestly frustrated and outraged that you have to type a password... to use jumpbridges... and most of you dont care whatsoever that this game has become HORRIBLE compared to what it used to be largely because of the things you think are too frustrating to use. personally, i dont see why ccp ever introduced jbs, it was like some dev sat there and said "hey wouldnt it be cool if..." rather than "what would be the consequences of..." and now that its here i would have expected people to not be defeatist and say dumb stuff like "well thats human nature we cant stop it so we might as well encourage it" sure if you want to take that line we might as well not even try. these arnt shrimps... this is ridiculous. . color poastar. Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D Plague Black > I will keep pummeling your redneck posts with my literacy
SXYGeeK Gallente do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.07 03:21:00 - [30] Edited by: SXYGeeK on 07/11/2010 03:23:50 Originally by: Minigin and now that its here i would have expected people to not be defeatist and say dumb stuff like "well thats human nature we cant stop it so we might as well encourage it" It's quite obvious that I am not a defeatist, I have presented multiple times ideas for improving dominion on a scale much greater than simply jump bridges. And it is CCP that is encouraging the nature to form large political groups, it's part of their ideology for this game. I've given you several chances to have a discussion about things that might actually help the gameplay but you persist in drilling anti NC into everything you say and squeezing every ounce of conflict out of the smallest of disagreements (passwords on a bridge) It is you who is ridiculous. -We So SeXy

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