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Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.08 21:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 08/01/2005 21:26:34 Quote: Destroyed Type: Caracal How we guess what type of ship you would fly =) Anyways, how do you know of the police are out for you untill they come and throw your ass on the car. Sometimes they will have a warrant and let you know. But obviously when you're out in space ganking defensless people because you have no skill, then there shouldn't be anyway to know if you're criminaly flagged or not. Besides logging off like a wuss to hide at a planet shouldn't take time off your status for being attacked. -Famine Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.01.08 22:13:00 - [32] It's a TIMER. It should be clearly flagged, with a countdown ffs. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Novarei	Posted - 2005.01.09 00:12:00 - [33] you destroyed an unarmed vessel in secure space, you deserve everything you got and nothing of your possesions back. +--------------------------------------------+
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 01:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Maya Rkell It's a TIMER. It should be clearly flagged, with a countdown ffs. Im sorry but I don't see the realism in this? Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.09 01:42:00 - [35] i don't see the realision in warping straight througha planet, but hey - it's a game. i'm all for a real timer. ----- ----- -----
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 01:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 01:48:01 Originally by: Vampire Blade i don't see the realision in warping straight througha planet, but hey - it's a game. i'm all for a real timer. See more and more posts about making the game see more real. Always someone posting up a counter like "Well I can bump a station and not be destroyed". So pathetic... Timer is an bad idea. Im sorry but if you're going to cheat the system by logging off and logging back on till timer is up. Then there shouldn't be one. That is abusing a system IMO. Now if a Timer was put in that deactivated when you logged off. Then by all means go for it. It's still not realism and little non-skilled wannabe pirates will have an more advantage of knowing when they can dock. You know being they run away in the first place winks -Famine Aligher'ri Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2005.01.09 03:13:00 - [37] Hiya. Well the stuff was mine actually so Dopa lost only a crap indy while I lost about 200 million in mods. Luckily he owns 2 battleships so he's selling them to pay me back. As for the people who criticize Dopa for roleplaying, well at least he doesn't just do the treadmill isk farming crap that most people do. AFAIK he asked that guy to leave Kehour in his barge, the guy flew away and then came back, after which he was killed. Seems to me that the guy in the barge made a decision and there was no griefing on Dopa's part. And to CCP, not that you will listen. You have a persistant world where everything is in RL time, then you make a inconsistent change with that idealogy and add a timer that is in game time only, which affects a system which is extreme in its conseqences, yet you fail to add a warning when undocking informing your users that your rediculous code is about to kill them. Heres an idea: IF USER is CriminallyFlagged THEN MakeADialogBox("Warning:You are criminally flagged, do you really wish to undock and get killed by rediculously GODLY NPC's?") END Is that so freaking hard to code in? Infinity Ziona Co-CEO
Nafri	Posted - 2005.01.09 03:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Liquid Metal Flagging shows up as a great thick red box around the ship, and all that pilots items, ie drones, not sure about the scanner though So it's the same as pre-exodus? Cool. dont listen to him, he needs a clue criminal flagging seems to be bugged in exodus, not only you cant see whos flagged anymore (rofl), no you cant see if your flagged yourself. also it seems thy removed the flagging for the next 15min you got when you attacked a -5.0 player in empire, so he cant shoot back after warping away and refitting at a station (you could before) learned it the hard way, sentries began to shoot me after I attacked a Geddon which was shooting at me at a gate before ( about 7 mins earlier) and no, flagging gets resetted even if you logged off Wanna fly with me?
Etoile Chercheur	Posted - 2005.01.09 06:33:00 - [39] i agree wholeheartedly with the idea that vast improvements need to be made regarding the flagging system. the rules never seem to work right, and you're given no indication of flagging, either on others or yourself. Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) \| Hadean Drive Yards
Toastin	Posted - 2005.01.09 08:12:00 - [40] Originally by: L DOPA Today at 1:04 Eve Time I found an oversized barge mining in Kehour. After repeatedly telling him to leave I opened fire: 2005.01.08 01:04:00 Victim: RavenNIKUNNI Corporation: Mystical Knights Destroyed Type: Retriever Solar System: Kehour System Security Level: 0.9 Involved parties: Name: L DOPA (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.1 Corporation: A.N.U.S Ship Type: Caracal Weapon Type: Scourge Heavy Missile I At 01:04 EVE Time Concorde kill my cruiser as I had committed an aggressive act. 2005.01.08 01:04:00 Victim: L DOPA Corporation: A.N.U.S Destroyed Type: Caracal Solar System: Kehour System Security Level: 0.9 Involved parties: Name: CONCORD (laid the final blow) At 08:00 EVE time, 7 whole hours later, I undocked with a Badger II full of a friends items and - 2005.01.08 08:00:00 Victim: L DOPA Corporation: A.N.U.S Destroyed Type: Badger Mark II Solar System: Kehour System Security Level: 0.9 Involved parties: Name: CONCORD (laid the final blow) I lost her 100 million or so worth of cargo. 7 hours later and at a sec rating of -1.1. WTF is up with this. There was no contraband, I was in an unarmed indy when I undocked. Theres no way I could ahve commited an agressive act and my sec rating is still -1.1. What I would like to know is, whats the chances of getting the stuff back and why the hell is Concorde so damned bugged when its so damned uber. Please fix the game. Dopa What goes around, comes around! hehe
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.01.09 08:25:00 - [41] Why cant CCP just give us an indicator for when we are flagged? Don't they realize just how many petitions this would prevent? How hard would it be to have a blinking light on your HUD for when you're criminally flagged? I know most of us have probably lost ships because we were criminally flagged, forgot about it and got nailed by sentries as a result. I lost a Crow that way.
Dark Eagle	Posted - 2005.01.09 09:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Maya Rkell It's a TIMER. It should be clearly flagged, with a countdown ffs. Im sorry but I don't see the realism in this? so here you whine about it not being realistic Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 01:48:01 Originally by: Vampire Blade i don't see the realision in warping straight througha planet, but hey - it's a game. i'm all for a real timer. See more and more posts about making the game see more real. Always someone posting up a counter like "Well I can bump a station and not be destroyed". So pathetic... Timer is an bad idea. Im sorry but if you're going to cheat the system by logging off and logging back on till timer is up. Then there shouldn't be one. That is abusing a system IMO. Now if a Timer was put in that deactivated when you logged off. Then by all means go for it. It's still not realism and little non-skilled wannabe pirates will have an more advantage of knowing when they can dock. You know being they run away in the first place winks -Famine Aligher'ri and here you whine about people trying to make the game realistic... 'oximoron'... with emphasis on the 'moron' 2005.01.09 03:30:00 Training of the skill Self Contradiction to level 5 has been completed and also you say it is cheating the system to log off and then log on again till the timer is up - well actually the timer does not count down when you are logged off... so there is no way this can be exploited People play games to have fun primarily, and to do something different from reality - if you make a game more like reality, then in the case of a game like eve it would just make it more tiresome. Not having a timer in the name of "realism" is rediculous, it is just an annoyance to have to stay in SS longer than the timer to be sure that you are infact not going to get ganked by the sentries when you warp back to a gate in low sec etc. Piracy shall never die. Do not use the 'm-word' in my presence, or i may be forced to reprogram your harvestors to releive you of your limbs. Yarrr >=)
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:04:00 - [43] Edited by: Hanns on 09/01/2005 11:04:41 Im glad you killed that mining barge, mining barges are so weak for a reason, so you can gank them in kestrels Also whoever was mining in a barge in 0.9, needs to grow some and get in 0.4 or below. i wish i could sit in 0.9 AFK smoking npc's all day and make good money, truth is i cant, id make crap money, but what the hell
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Dark Eagle Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Maya Rkell It's a TIMER. It should be clearly flagged, with a countdown ffs. Im sorry but I don't see the realism in this? so here you whine about it not being realistic Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 01:48:01 Originally by: Vampire Blade i don't see the realision in warping straight througha planet, but hey - it's a game. i'm all for a real timer. See more and more posts about making the game see more real. Always someone posting up a counter like "Well I can bump a station and not be destroyed". So pathetic... Timer is an bad idea. Im sorry but if you're going to cheat the system by logging off and logging back on till timer is up. Then there shouldn't be one. That is abusing a system IMO. Now if a Timer was put in that deactivated when you logged off. Then by all means go for it. It's still not realism and little non-skilled wannabe pirates will have an more advantage of knowing when they can dock. You know being they run away in the first place winks -Famine Aligher'ri and here you whine about people trying to make the game realistic... 'oximoron'... with emphasis on the 'moron' 2005.01.09 03:30:00 Training of the skill Self Contradiction to level 5 has been completed and also you say it is cheating the system to log off and then log on again till the timer is up - well actually the timer does not count down when you are logged off... so there is no way this can be exploited People play games to have fun primarily, and to do something different from reality - if you make a game more like reality, then in the case of a game like eve it would just make it more tiresome. Not having a timer in the name of "realism" is rediculous, it is just an annoyance to have to stay in SS longer than the timer to be sure that you are infact not going to get ganked by the sentries when you warp back to a gate in low sec etc. hahahah pwnd. nice one Dark eagle
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:14:00 - [45] Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 11:16:14 Well lets see here, we don't play a mystical magic based game here. So it's only right to use the word 'realistic' to better enhance the game. It can fit here and still fit into the overall theme of the game without killing the "Role-Playing" of a fun game. I'm sorry you don't understand that little wannabe pirate, maybe you will some day... Far from umm "pwned". Words of children don't belong in my general speech. -Famine Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 11:16:14 Well lets see here, we don't play a mystical magic based game here. So it's only right to use the word 'realistic' to better enhance the game. It can fit here and still fit into the overall theme of the game without killing the "Role-Playing" of a fun game. I'm sorry you don't understand that little wannabe pirate, maybe you will some day... Far from umm "pwned". Words of children don't belong in my general speech. -Famine lol donÆt try and turn this around. At the end of the day, you voided all your arguments by contradicting yourself, and end up looking like a complete muppet, so like I said PWND kthxdie P.S quit while your not ahead
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Hanns Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 11:16:14 Well lets see here, we don't play a mystical magic based game here. So it's only right to use the word 'realistic' to better enhance the game. It can fit here and still fit into the overall theme of the game without killing the "Role-Playing" of a fun game. I'm sorry you don't understand that little wannabe pirate, maybe you will some day... Far from umm "pwned". Words of children don't belong in my general speech. -Famine lol donÆt try and turn this around. At the end of the day, you voided all your arguments by contradicting yourself, and end up looking like a complete muppet, so like I said PWND kthxdie P.S quit while your not ahead There is no contradicting, only ignorance which you well shown =) Must look at something from all sides. Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Cheers! Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Hanns Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 11:16:14 Well lets see here, we don't play a mystical magic based game here. So it's only right to use the word 'realistic' to better enhance the game. It can fit here and still fit into the overall theme of the game without killing the "Role-Playing" of a fun game. I'm sorry you don't understand that little wannabe pirate, maybe you will some day... Far from umm "pwned". Words of children don't belong in my general speech. -Famine lol donÆt try and turn this around. At the end of the day, you voided all your arguments by contradicting yourself, and end up looking like a complete muppet, so like I said PWND kthxdie P.S quit while your not ahead There is no contradicting, only ignorance which you well shown =) Must look at something from all sides. Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Cheers! Your like my girlfriend, always gotta have the last word even when your wrong, lol
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:38:00 - [49] hahah :P Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Eagle Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Maya Rkell It's a TIMER. It should be clearly flagged, with a countdown ffs. Im sorry but I don't see the realism in this? so here you whine about it not being realistic Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri on 09/01/2005 01:48:01 Originally by: Vampire Blade i don't see the realision in warping straight througha planet, but hey - it's a game. i'm all for a real timer. See more and more posts about making the game see more real. Always someone posting up a counter like "Well I can bump a station and not be destroyed". So pathetic... Timer is an bad idea. Im sorry but if you're going to cheat the system by logging off and logging back on till timer is up. Then there shouldn't be one. That is abusing a system IMO. Now if a Timer was put in that deactivated when you logged off. Then by all means go for it. It's still not realism and little non-skilled wannabe pirates will have an more advantage of knowing when they can dock. You know being they run away in the first place winks -Famine Aligher'ri and here you whine about people trying to make the game realistic... 'oximoron'... with emphasis on the 'moron' 2005.01.09 03:30:00 Training of the skill Self Contradiction to level 5 has been completed and also you say it is cheating the system to log off and then log on again till the timer is up - well actually the timer does not count down when you are logged off... so there is no way this can be exploited People play games to have fun primarily, and to do something different from reality - if you make a game more like reality, then in the case of a game like eve it would just make it more tiresome. Not having a timer in the name of "realism" is rediculous, it is just an annoyance to have to stay in SS longer than the timer to be sure that you are infact not going to get ganked by the sentries when you warp back to a gate in low sec etc. Quoting DarkEagle from another thread: Originally by: Dark Eagle Edited by: Dark Eagle on 04/01/2005 17:29:10 Originally by: Joshua Calvert You are calling them griefers yet you failed to protect yourself with the tools provided in the Esc menu? Hard to say who is more stupid....... what HE was doing is irrelevant to the point, which is what the campers were doing... pointlessly insulting his intelligence for making a single mistake (which is infact irrelevant in the first place) actually makes YOU look stupid p00ned i say! Aren't you insulting Famine for making a simple mistake, which is irrelevant or the original issue, which makes you a bit hypocritical yourself? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:45:00 - [51] I think that post above me was more of a pwned Hans :P Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:46:00 - [52] JC has lvl 5 Trawling through other threads for ammunition skill
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Hanns JC has lvl 5 Trawling through other threads for ammunition skill Hey, it's downtime and my pizza takes 27 mins. too long to cook LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Hanns	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Hanns JC has lvl 5 Trawling through other threads for ammunition skill Hey, it's downtime and my pizza takes 27 mins. too long to cook Servers back up early BTW
Elandur	Posted - 2005.01.09 11:56:00 - [55] Originally by: L DOPA Hi again. I had to sell my scorpion to pay back the isk I lost and I want to apologise to all people who I have harrassed in Kehour. I won't be killing barges anymore and I will try and send you money for your barges that I did kill. I am sorry and I learn my lession. DOPA That's awesome. Very good for your karma :) Now if only the other barge killers would be as cool as you. Of course you may just be doing that to seem like a nice guy so CCP will be more likely to refund your losses, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :-D Anyway, enough of the nice part of my post :) I dont see how people think they have the right to kill mining barges just because they are mining is safe space. If I were in a mining barge doing solo mining, I definately wouldn't risk going anywhere near a 0.4 area with it. I wouldn't risk an investment like that unless I had a great escort with me. Maybe the person you(Not talking to the thread starter, since he has made up for his wrong-doing. just talking to barge killers in general) killed was just a guy who couldn't get an escort. If you just spent an assload on a barge, would you take it to a dangerous area alone? If you said yes, you are either lying or foolish. What damage did the barge owner ever do? Strip a belt or two? Big deal, it's as easy as warping to another belt. Did he somehow strip a whole system(Is that even possible solo? I doubt you could strip a system solo before the asteroids came back, but I could be wrong.)? Big deal, there are almost definately other high security systems within 1 jump. So the person has to go a system slightly out of his/her way, it isn't a big deal. Did the person somehow strip all of the low security areas within a jump or two? Well, first I would think the person is cheating somehow. But for the sake of my post, lets say that happened. In that event, killing the person would be with good reason, because that would make it so newbies (Other people have the option of dipping into slightly more dangerous areas to mine in, newbies would face a big possibility of death if they went into a lower area and had rats appear. And if they get away it would be hard to go back for the ore in their cans (Unless they dont use cans and just do the back and forth method, which they would have to if they diddnt have access to a hauler). Anyway, my point is that forcing newbies to put their life on the line because you got too greedy should be punishable by death.). in the area that live off of mining are unable to earn any isk until the next downtime (I think that is when the asteroids reappear, but the person who told me that may be wrong. I've never seen a stripped belt right after downtime, and it makes sense to do it that way, so I dont doubt it.). Now if a corp goes into a 1.0 area equipped with all mining barges, that is pretty lame. Most corps probably have people in there that could provide some security, so they could easily go to a different system and mine. Heck, if you diddnt, that would be a bad idea. You can get better ore in a system that is more dangerous AND not give your corp a bad reputation. I could go on a bit more, but I'll cut this short since I'm rambling on. Plus downtime started 54 minutes ago, I might be able to get in already. I have some mining to do (Not in a barge or a 1.0 system. An osprey in a 0.6 system :))
Froztwolf	Posted - 2005.01.10 14:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Hiya. As for the people who criticize Dopa for roleplaying, well at least he doesn't just do the treadmill isk farming crap that most people do. RP is no excuse for griefing. Barge killing is lame in the extreme ------------------------ Never underestimate the power of denial!
Bunny Wunny	Posted - 2005.01.10 14:42:00 - [57] the joy of bardges is that you can get one quite quickly, so you get nubs in them, so theres realy no excuse in killing bardges just because they are in secure space. its just lame
flummox	Posted - 2005.01.10 15:06:00 - [58] and, when this is all over, who is gonna fly around and pick up all the BKG SignCans all over? see, it's **** like this that makes having n00b corps suck bigtime. now i gotta see all these stupid cans everywhere and can't even shoot them... i would just like to say THANK YOU to all the people who made CONCORD and sentries come to life shortly after release. that goes for for gankers and whiners!! thanks guys !! w00t !! there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...

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