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Gladiator Six
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Posted - 2010.11.07 04:05:00 -
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I know its probably been asked before but I cant seem to find it.
If I was playing one race, but decided I like another race's ships, I can just train for those ships instead of starting a new character?
there would be no penalty other than the time it would take to retrain a different set of ships?
also, ship bonuses would still apply, or do they only apply if you are the race that flys that ship?
tell me if this makes no sense.
Help much appreciated
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Ayden Shadowblade
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Posted - 2010.11.07 04:14:00 -
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1) Yes you can crosstrain ships. In fact it is a very common thing.
2) Correct the only penalty you get is the time lost to train across thos ships
3) You still get ship bonuses reguardless of it is off-race ship
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.07 04:24:00 -
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You also have to consider that each race has their own weapon system. And some ships are better with shields or armor.
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Gladiator Six
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Posted - 2010.11.07 04:24:00 -
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cool thanks man, I really appreciate it
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.07 04:48:00 -
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You might even go as far as cross-training on purpose to throw off your enemies.
That is, assuming enemies will assume you fly the racial ships that your character originates from.
I highly doubt it has much impact (seeing how killboards give away the ships you fly in combat anyway), but you never know right?..
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NewGit
Caldari
Rusty Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.07 05:26:00 -
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 Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
You might even go as far as cross-training on purpose to throw off your enemies.
That is, assuming enemies will assume you fly the racial ships that your character originates from.
I highly doubt it has much impact (seeing how killboards give away the ships you fly in combat anyway), but you never know right?..
That's why my Jove Shuttle is cleverly disguised as an Orca.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.11.07 07:40:00 -
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I have found something pretty nice: training up skills like Logistics, HAC, Recon ships etc, is not racial specific.
So if you train up Minmatar Cruiser to 5, and then HAC/Logi/Recon to 4 or 5, you can then train Amarr Cruiser to 5 and then jump into some nice T2 ships immediately, and fly them effectively.
I think the guns and the hulls are the only racial skills you have to cross train (essentially)
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.07 08:39:00 -
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Also consider that all "in-between" sized T1 ships have non-racial skills.
Both Destroyers and Battle-cruisers have race independent skills, with a smaller racial ship class as prerequisite (frigates in the case of destroyers and cruisers in the case of BCs).
As others have said, it's mainly the base ship, weapons and tanking skills that you'll need to cross-train, but there are no drawbacks to doing so.
(take this char for instance, she's of Gallente origin, but most of her ship skills are in Amarr and Minmatar hulls, along with tank and weapons for those hulls)
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.11.07 12:26:00 -
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Like most of the backstory in EVE, your race is just there for show. The only time it makes any difference is what rookie ship you get if you dock in your pod and maybe some of your beginning skills.
If you want a story reason to cross train, capsuleers are the ultra-rich elite of EVE society and above silly considerations like where we were born.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.07 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman
I have found something pretty nice: training up skills like Logistics, HAC, Recon ships etc, is not racial specific.
So if you train up Minmatar Cruiser to 5, and then HAC/Logi/Recon to 4 or 5, you can then train Amarr Cruiser to 5 and then jump into some nice T2 ships immediately, and fly them effectively.
I think the guns and the hulls are the only racial skills you have to cross train (essentially)
You missed the most important one - Battlecruisers.
Cruiser 3, and battlecruisers 5 gives you to several VERY nice ships.
Drake, Hurricane, Harbinger and Myrmidon are really very good ships. Cyclone, Brutix, and ... well, no, Ferox and Prophecy suck quite a bit.
But in my opinion BC 5 is one of the best skill investments at the moment.
Crosstraining has no drawbacks - it just takes time. There is no level cap, there are no diminishing returns - except in the form that if you split your training time between two races, you won't necessarily have the same degree of specialization that someone who stuck with one would.
But given the chances are pretty good that you won't ever meet someone who is the same 'age' as you, in a straight fight, this is pretty much a moot point.
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.07 12:38:00 -
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Character race is only a basic skillset.
When you train another race you still use some skills :
1) Universal skills : Navigation, capacitor-related engineering skills, fitting skills...
2) Gunnery : Every race uses or can use guns, even Caldari (hybrid guns are their secondary weaponry)
3) Defense : Amarr and Gallente share armor tank, Caldari and Minmattar share shield tank
Amarr and Gallente cross-training is the most effective, since they share armor tanking and guns which consume capacitor (so Controlled Bursts is useful for both).
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.11.07 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fulbert
Character race is only a basic skillset.
When you train another race you still use some skills :
1) Universal skills : Navigation, capacitor-related engineering skills, fitting skills...
2) Gunnery : Every race uses or can use guns, even Caldari (hybrid guns are their secondary weaponry)
3) Defense : Amarr and Gallente share armor tank, Caldari and Minmattar share shield tank
Amarr and Gallente cross-training is the most effective, since they share armor tanking and guns which consume capacitor (so Controlled Bursts is useful for both).
Each race has some degree of cross training synergy.
Some minmatar ships armour tank quite well, too :).
But Caldari goes to Minmatar, because they both use missiles and shield tanks.
Caldari goes to Gallente, because they both use hybrids (and vice versa)
Gallente goes to Amarr because they both use armour tanks, and they both have specialized drone boats, and cap using/turret centric weapons.
*shrug*. There's crossovers in every direction. Personally though, rather than look for skill matchups, I looked to cross train for capabilities - Caldari to Minmatar in my case, because Minmatar have some really good smaller ships, where Caldari... don't really.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.11.07 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
*shrug*. There's crossovers in every direction. Personally though, rather than look for skill matchups, I looked to cross train for capabilities - Caldari to Minmatar in my case, because Minmatar have some really good smaller ships, where Caldari... don't really.
Yup - Im caldari and I can say training for minmatar is actually very very easy... I alredy have gread shield tank skills and then training for Eg minma frigates is: a week for frigate V and a week for little turret spec. And thats about it -> you are fully pledged minmatar crosstrain in 2 weeks. Ofc - with caldari tank skills you can make use of shield to the fullest 
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.07 13:07:00 -
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Amarr/Minmatar is pretty much the perfect cross train IMO - each excels in the roles the other is weak in.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2010.11.07 18:15:00 -
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So, wait -- was the vagabond the bad one, or the zealot?
Because they both pwn. 
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.07 18:51:00 -
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I crosstrain every Race: You can, too
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.07 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 07/11/2010 19:24:47
Originally by: Aamrr
So, wait -- was the vagabond the bad one, or the zealot?
Because they both pwn.
Zealots pwn in larger packs...
Vagabonds pwn always 
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Devil tiger
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Posted - 2010.11.07 21:44:00 -
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The only difference between Races & bloodlines is your face.
Everything else can be trained/achieved by everyone as long as they sped the ISK & Time for it.
And even your character portrait can be changed for a fee.
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
death from above..
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:23:00 -
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I like the crossover of Minmatar/Gallente. Dramiel anyone? :)
But if you look at the various 'reccomended' certificates for ships anout 50% of Minmatar ships are designed to be armor tanks the other 50% are designed to be shield tanks (approximately).
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jerichot
Cutish Brunts
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Posted - 2010.11.07 22:31:00 -
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cross training is extremely valuable once you ve got very good support skills, if you have support gunnery to 5, AWU5, engineering, electronics, etc etc to 5
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Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.11.08 00:04:00 -
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cross training is extremely valuable once you ve got very good support skills, if you have support gunnery to 5, AWU5, engineering, electronics, etc etc to 5
This and a thousand times this, the biggest mistake you can do is to crosstrain into another race or to a larger size of ship before you're really all that good with what you're flying now. Underscoring that point once you're really good at flying a Hurricane for example, you'll have a lot of support skills that are anywhere from simply useful to required for say an Armageddon, in that case PG fitting skills, armor tanking skills and the gunnery support skills sans-cap usage will all crossover nicely.
Flying one ship really really well is always better then flying more ships all right this is largely a product of good support skills.
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