Hi there SinTeryx. While I am, regrettably, not James (although certain people would have you believe otherwise), I have been an Agent of the New Order for some time now and I feel that I am ideally placed to answer your questions.

The first thing that I notice is that you expected that the purchase of shares is equivalent to the purchase of a mining permit. Unfortunately, it is not. The purchase of shares grants you a voice in Shareholder votes, while the purchase of a mining permit grants you the right to mine unmolested in highsec. Expecting to get both in one purchase would be overpowered. I'm certain, however, that if you were to send an EVEMail to James 315 stating that you would like to refund 10 of your shares and purchase a mining permit with the resulting funds, the issue would be rectified. Our Saviour is nothing if not understanding.

The second thing I notice is that your screenshots are a little bit unclear - they're not in the right order, for a start, and some of them seem to cover things that are unrelated to the case or cover the same things twice or three times. While I think I have the gist of the events this time, in future you can find your chatlogs at Documents/EVE/logs/chatlogs/, and the file will be called 'Local_[number]_[number].txt. If you use the 'Search' function in Windows from within that folder, you can generally find a file from a piece of chat - in this case you could find the relevant Local log by searching for 'We support the demise of those who afk mine'. Copying and pasting the contents of that log is generally a lot more user-friendly than posting images - it's easier, too.

Next, I understand that Agent Stanislav called you out in Local for not having a mining permit. He was right; you need to reinvest some of your shares into a permit.

Agent Stanislav then accused you of being in violation of the Code. Of course, you didn't have a permit, but Stanislav seems to have accepted your status as Shareholder in lieu of that. Therefore you must have been doing something else. The logs don't show it, but perhaps you showed disrespect towards the Father of the New Order, or towards the Code itself or the New Order? If so, then that is a clear violation of the Code. The other possibility is that you were AFK mining. As you know, a mining permit does not allow you to break the Code, and AFK mining is one of the most severe infractions against the Code that there is. Perhaps you could elaborate as to how you were breaking the Code?

You mention in the fifth (by my understanding of the correct order) screenshot that you 'asked a legitimate question', but I don't see it recorded in your pictures. Perhaps you should ask it again here, that I might answer it more satisfactorily than Agent Stanislav.

Finally, in the third screenshot, Stanislav says 'I grow weary of your fraud attempts'. presumably this means taht you had spoken before, but it isn't shown. Perhaps you could tell us what happened there?

u tryin p hard m8 tl:dr

That's OK! I didn't intend for you to read it, as demonstrated by the line "Hi there SinTeryx."

Luckily SinTeryx actually seems to be literate, so hopefully she is capable of reading and understanding my response.

yeh nah your signature, not your wall of text.

The signature was too long for you to read?

Wow.

no, thats where i called you a try hard.

Oh, so to clarify, you quoted my post, then said 'u tryin to hard m8', but that was about my signature, rather than about my post, as the quoted text would generally indicate. Then, in the same sentence (if it could be called that), you wrote 'tl;dr', but that was about my post?

OK.

This wiki page details how to find logs on Mac OS X. Hopefully that's helpful.

As for dropping the mining business; great idea! In fact, the New Order offers a quick-start PVP program where we get you into a Catalyst and shooting Mackinaws in under a day of skill training! Have you ever felt resentment for those huge mackinaws and hulks that just idle in belts all day harvesting ore while you labour in your tiny Venture? Now's the chance to get your revenge! And Agents are much more fun to talk to than miners.

Having read the entire chatlog, I'd say that you mostly acted correctly. Unfortunately you were mistaken that Shareholders are automatically Permit Holders, so the Agents were right in that regard. It would also be best to remain polite in general; while the Agents may have been overstating your rudeness, you did lose your calm a little.

This wiki page details how to find logs on Mac OS X. Hopefully that's helpful.

As for dropping the mining business; great idea! In fact, the New Order offers a quick-start PVP program where we get you into a Catalyst and shooting Mackinaws in under a day of skill training! Have you ever felt resentment for those huge mackinaws and hulks that just idle in belts all day harvesting ore while you labour in your tiny Venture? Now's the chance to get your revenge! And Agents are much more fun to talk to than miners.

Having read the entire chatlog, I'd say that you mostly acted correctly. Unfortunately you were mistaken that Shareholders are automatically Permit Holders, so the Agents were right in that regard. It would also be best to remain polite in general; while the Agents may have been overstating your rudeness, you did lose your calm a little.

I did loose my calm...but only after being called a liar and a scammer. I wasn't mistaken I just asked if they were considered part of the mining license...I just wanted clarification. Thank you for the response, however this whole experience has left me with a bad taste.

..SinTeryx, you said you have only played Eve for about a month? I suggest that you read up in your Eve history. You'll find that Eve is unique and not like any other game. Not just because of Eve's game mechanics. But because of its culture.

So there is assignment one. Assignment two:

Go to www.minerbumping.com and click the links tab. Go read James 315's manifestos. Read his articles on The Mittani.com.

Right now you think that what he new order does is just griefing. For some agents that might be true. But make no mistake. He intent of The New Order has clear goals. Goals much bigger than denying you your ability to mine in highsec.

And on the subject of mining. Sin, mining is not playing Eve. Mini g is not fun. It is not profitable. It's stupid. I suggest that you stop mining altogether. You will find these career options vastly superior to mining:

Join a nulsec corp. You will get gang experience, far greater pve rewards an opertunities, and you migh just have fun while playing Eve.

..Even though you thanked me for the advice, you seem to have disregarded it. So let me be clear.

Go to www.minerbumping.com and click the links tab. Read James 315's manifestos. Read James 315's articles on the mittani.com.

Stop mining. Mining is not fun or profitable.

Joining a corp is a good idea, but not a highsec minin corp. the slight benefits that they may give you do not overcome the severe disadvantages you will face.

Primarily the biggest disadvantage of joining a corp that you have is opertunities cost. By being in that high sec mining corp you have lost the time and opertunities to do something worthwhile and productive in Eve.
You can be wardeced.
At best, you will make 10m/hour mining n
Because of the New Order, your ISK/hour could be closer to -50m/hour.
Do not fret about the skill points you have already invested into industry. The only points that are wasted are the mining ones.
You can make a lot of ISK and train for FUN ships in nulsec.

Ask yourself "Why am I sitting here staring at a boring ship shooting lasers at a stupid rock in space?"
Sin, be honest. Mining is not fun. But however, Eve IS fun.

Okay everyone, let's remember shares are shares and permits are permits. All miners should get a permit and show respect and deference to our Agents. And everyone have fun!

More shareholders today.

OP UPDATED TO REFLECT ADDITIONAL PURCHASES

Yeah, that's it.

Glad to know this is how investors are treated. Best of luck running for CSM.

Thats it?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1783092#post1783092

next time read the thread before investing?