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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:17:00 -
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Hi guys, can I get skills / some setups for starting Gallente PVP? Also, would it be better to start with frigate or just jump to cruiser? As gallente frigates are not the best from what I have read on forums.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:30:00 -
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Don't believe anything you read. I won two frigate tournaments in a row with my sturdy Tristan, finished second the third time.
Here are some nice beginner fits. Use T1 meta 3 or 4 if you can't use T2. Don't forget to use your drone ! If you can't close to 1 km, disengage and GTFO.
Incursus
Low : 1 * Overdrive Injector System II 1 * Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Med : 1 * 1MN Afterburner II 1 * X5 Prototype 1 Engine Enervator (web) 1 * Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
High 3 * Light Neutron Blaster II (antimatter or void ammo)
Drones : 1 * Light Hobgoblin II
Tristan
Low : 1 * Overdrive Injector System II 1 * Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 * Power Diagnostic System II
Med : 1 * 1MN Afterburner II 1 * Stasis Webifier I
High 2 * Light Neutron Blaster II (antimatter or void ammo) 2 * Standard Missile Launcher II with missile of choice (*)
Drones : 1 * Light Hobgoblin II
(*) When rockets are fixed in the next expansion switch to rocket launchers.
The incursus is pretty good to start with. Problem with the Tristan is that you need at least some missile skills which are not very usefull for Gallente pilots.
Start with frigates and only after you've lost 50 of them (And hopefully got at least a few kills) consider switching to Cruisers. Vexor and Thorax are excellent PVP ships. ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: McDeth on 08/11/2010 16:40:14 Cool, luckally I have some missle skills being Caldari!, coincidentally, I was training an alt for a rifter but everyone flies them so it kind of ****es me off, also, some Gallente ships are cool I think.
Is Myrmidon any good? Sounds / looks thwee.
PS: If I have skills for both, would Tristan be better? Or the extra mid on Incursis
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Brain Gehirn
Crimoria Co Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:51:00 -
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Frigs are nice for tackling with groups (for beginners) Cruisers can be a nice solo ship for a starter too (if you know what you can or not engage), but need more skill and a bit more from personal skills.
Go for frigs first to begin learning from mistakes. Then go for cruisers. -----------------------
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:55:00 -
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Minmatar cruiser/frigs are way better IMO. That said, I do have a soft spot for the Gallente cruisers. Thorax and Vexor have loads of viable fits that can keep up with, if not outperform the Rupture. The frigs seem pretty useless compared to the Rifter though. Just my 2 cents.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.08 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: McDeth Edited by: McDeth on 08/11/2010 16:40:14 Cool, luckally I have some missle skills being Caldari!, coincidentally, I was training an alt for a rifter but everyone flies them so it kind of ****es me off, also, some Gallente ships are cool I think.
Is Myrmidon any good? Sounds / looks thwee.
PS: If I have skills for both, would Tristan be better? Or the extra mid on Incursis
The Myrmidon is one of the most versatile ships in the game. You can fit it for almost any purpose. It is one of the few ships that works well either armor or shield tanked and the ship bonuses are extremely good for drone users. Highly recommended for both PVE or (small scale) PVP.
The Tristan is superior to the Incursus if you've got missile skills.
Try something like this and I'll guarantee you a 60 % win chance against T2 fit Rifters. You get a 10% bonus as you opponent will underestimate you.
Low : 1 * 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1 * 100mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1 * Micro Auxilliary Power Core I
Med : 1 * Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters 1 * X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1 * Initiated Harmonic Warp Scramber I
High : 2 * Light Neutron Blaster II (Caldari Navy Antimatter) 1 * 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I (Caldari Navy Gremlin) 1 * 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I (Caldari Navy Phalanx)
Drones : 1 * Light Hobgoblin II
Rigs : Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
The Catalyst is also a very underrated ship which if fit well can perform like a champ.
Disclaimer : Every race has good ships for various purposes.
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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.08 20:15:00 -
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60% eh, what can I do to bring that up?
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Mopsy Six
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Posted - 2010.11.09 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre ...hurp-de-durp i'm an idiot...
Don't listen to what this guy's saying, he doesn't know what he's talking about. What you read about Gallente frigates on the forums is correct keeping in mind you want to learn how to PvP, there are fittings that might work, but they're still inferior to cookie-cutter frigate fittings other races use.
The Tristan requires missile skills which are a complete waste of SP for a Gallente pilot, to make it perform well you also need drone skills making it a frigate that requires SP in 3 weapon systems. It doesn't deal nearly enough damage to justify it's very short range, speed and average tank. It's a standard Gallente case where you can easily get exploited by anyone. Overall it'll perform below average, but if you really want to fly it, here's a fitting (throw meta level 1/2/3 where it's cheap):
Quote: [Tristan, New Setup 1] 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates I Small Armor Repairer I Damage Control I
1MN Afterburner I Stasis Webifier I Warp Scrambler I
Light Electron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S Rocket Launcher I, Foxfire Rocket Rocket Launcher I, Foxfire Rocket Light Electron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin I x1
It's a very straight-up setup, easy to fly, but far inferior to other frigates. And unlike the Punisher or a Merlin, it's completely outclassed by a Rifter in literaly ev'ry aspect of the game.
As for the Incursus, it only has 2 low slots and 3 high slots meaning you won't put out a proper tank for low security space PvP (i.e. killing ratting cruisers, baiting big ships on gates, etc.), it doesn't put out nowhere near enough DPS to justify how fragile it is. It's only good with very high SP and T2 fittings because then you can brawl players worse than you, kill some interceptors, kite small ships etc. If you want to roam and actually have a selection of targets, don't pick this ship.
Really i don't know why you want to try Gallente, if you already have SP in Caldari, just pick the Merlin, because it's an awesome little frigate and it actually has it's strong sides and is up there with the Rifter.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.09 01:32:00 -
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you will never be great at Large Fleet PVP as Gallente but there line up has a lot of good small gang ships. There Frigs are not great but there T2 frigs are som of the best in the game.
Here is a list of Gallente Pirate and/or Small Highsec War Ships.
Frigates
Tristan(ok better after ROFLkit fix) Incursis(Meh but it Passes)
Advance Frigs
Ishkur(Neck in Neck with the Jag for best Assault) Tarannis(Great Dog Fighting Inty) Nemisis(Not good compared to the others but still a bomber) Comet(DPS, Speed, Tackle, Tank, Drones)
Cruisers
Vexor(Good for small gangs and roams it is versitile) Thorax(Close Range Gank Boat, good Cruiser Melter if you get a warp in)
Advance Cruisers Ishtar(This thing is brilliance in Vexor Form, Tanks hard and can Launch Sentries) Vexor Navy Issue(Just a heavier Vexor, it will do the job) Arazu(This ships is good for camps and warp in, Sebo plus long point means super tackle)
Battlecruisers Brutix(This is great if you can get on top of your enemy and lay the smack down, Massive DPS) Mrymidon(Swiss Army Knife of Battlecruisers, see other thread)
Battleships Dominix(Heavy/Sentry Drones, massive Drone Bay High DPS or Neut/RR, Gallentes main Fleet Boat) Megathron(Good for small encounters it puts out DPS hard if your close in. Good for Gate and Station camps) Hyperion(Another Brawler can get amaxing DPS in a Shild Gank Fit, or heavy active tank ful tackle for close combet)
I am sure I missed a few, you will find Drone Boats to be your main concern, they are a real wild card with a lot of uses.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mopsy Six Oops...excrement just flew out of my month !
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Pascal Almaric
The Solipsist Nation
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Posted - 2010.11.09 11:44:00 -
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If I were going to PvP in a Tristan again I would play the range game. Go for afterburner/scram/web so you can control range on the great majority of opposing frigates, sit at about 8km, and use rockets plus railguns. Pick fights with short range frigates and avoid the rest.
The important thing here is to learn how to start fights at a good range, e.g. warp to a celestial and invite them to chase, then burn off about 5km the moment you land.
You have to turn down a fair number of fights this way, but it is an approach that lets you learn/use player skills to compensate for a lack of character SP. If you find that you like this style of play, you can graduate to a rail Taranis. If you don't like it, you'll at least learn some tactics and get an idea of what you do like.
However I must admit that if I were just starting out and I didn't have a big investment in Gallente frigates, I'd train the Rifter.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Mopsy Six Oops...excrement just flew out of my month !
No in this case Mopsy is right and you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
The first fit you posted requires a 3% CPU implant and lacks a point which means you ain't killing ****. Further it's a hero tank with no DCU which is pretty much a death sentence.
You're second one isn't quite as bad but the only rifters you're beating in it are the ones flown by morons. Because anyone worth his salt is going to hit you with a scram set an orbit in fall off kill your drone then wear down outside of your range. and if by some chance you actually get lucky and get a few good licks in they can just burn out of scram range and warp away.
Basically there are some decent Tristan fits out there but yours aren't one of them.
The Tristan is just generally an inferior frigate. It suffers mainly because for some strange reason CCP decided to make it and not the incursus the gal missile platform.
which cursed it with a mixed weapon platform one of which is almost pointless for a gal pilot to train or at the very least a low priority.
It further suffers as all blaster (and laser platforms frankly) from the insane fitting requirements relative to auto's. Honestly the Tristan and Hybrid frigs in general wouldn't suck quite so much if they were to reduce the fitting requirements to be inline with Auto's either that or boost the grid enough on hybrid (and laser for that matter) platforms to be able to accomidate either a big tank with a full load of their smallest guns or small tank with the biggest guns.
A Rifter can fit a 400mm plate and 200mm auto's with a full tackle and is generally going to be faster than a Tristan.
This isn't to say that people can't/don't get a Tristan to perform or that a Tristan can never kill a Rifter but all other factors being equal the Rifter simply outclasses it.
Best I can tell there are only 3 reasons to train Gal Frig 5 the Ishkur and Taranis or if you are a glutton for punishment and want to play in hard mode.
<---(has Gal Frig 5 trained)
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Best I can tell there are only 3 reasons to train Gal Frig 5 the Ishkur and Taranis or if you are a glutton for punishment and want to play in hard mode.
You forgot the Ares, definitely one of the better tackle inties. And lets not forget that it's a skill requirement for the Daredevil and Dramiel.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Faust
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Best I can tell there are only 3 reasons to train Gal Frig 5 the Ishkur and Taranis or if you are a glutton for punishment and want to play in hard mode.
You forgot the Ares, definitely one of the better tackle inties. And lets not forget that it's a skill requirement for the Daredevil and Dramiel.
Good point forgot about the angel ships :) My Dram is mostly a hanger queen since I'm not a good enough kiter yet to feel like risking it.
But it most certainly isn't for use on T1 Gal frigs which are pretty much fail.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:09:00 -
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The first fits I posted are from my fleet fit folder and intended as gank/fleet fits. The missing scram is indeed fail. You're also correct about the fitting problem (I must have had on in my head when I made that fit ages ago).
There's nothing wrong with a gank fit, especially for new guys, they'll need to get the advantage right away as they'll very likely lose a long engagement anyway. There's also the psychological effect of people panicking when they start melting.
That scram is not gonna help all that much when a Tristan is humping your Rifter (scrammed and webbed) and having blaster fun in the face. After that it comes down to pilot skill if you can actually get and maintain enough range to win. If you can't close with blaster guns, don't even try. Using a Tristan correctly requires a bit of skill.
If you read my earlier post you'd see I agreed with you about the shortcomings of the Tristan (skillwise).
I won't hesitate to take on a Rifter in that last fit and betting on myself on melting the Rifter. Are there Rifter fits that can defeat it ? Sure. Are there Tristan fits that can defeat that Rifter fit ? Sure. Etc. This is the great thing about the game tbh.
But all these fools posting that Cookie Cutter Rifter is the ultimate pownmobile truly lack imagination and will likely get curbstomped by any frigate pilot that knows how to fit and handle his Merlin/Punisher/Tristan.
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