Actually, carebears tend to be much older, mature and financially self-sufficient than "hard players". Simply because they dont have the time or desire to waste their lives "living hardcore pvp lives". They dont play to "overcome spectacular challenges" because they have enough of those in real world, they come to the virtual one to relax.

Its the 17y/o bullied fatties who make the best die-hard pvpers in any MMO, simply because they need to vent their frustration of failing at their real lives, all of their hate and desire to hurt other players comes simple from being inferior and hurt human beings.

So, Planetside 2 .. when will all of you bitter hater be gone? Can I help you get there faster?

Edit: BTW, pretty much the same scenario as WoW and GW2. According to "die hard veterans", WoW has been dying for like 6 years now and every new MMO will be the end of WoW. Apparently, reality is on the carebear side.

Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long.

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Prove PvP has directly kept this game alive as opposed to altering the focus of the game to cater to masses who play games to relax. Playing a game to relax is fundamentally the purpose of a game, the original intent of its creation. More fun, more people. Simple.

I compare it to those two because they popped into my head while I typed. Aside from that, if one wishes to claim CCP is one of the "big boys," then it must be compared to the big boys of the MMO industry, being GW, WoW, et al. It isn't ignoring the other MMO's such as say, Vindictus or Star Trek Online (lol), as much as it is accurately categorizing it with, as you claim, other companies which stand on equal or greater footing with CCP and Eve Online in terms of population, capital gain, ROI, and these companies' bottom line.

>comparing vehicles priced at $20,000-$230,000 and games with monthly fees of $15.

And you say my logic is broken.

Sorry for not clarifying, I didn't think I needed to. I meant video games, not real world sports. That's a different story.

its relatively speaking of course. Other games are just require a lot more to the point you could comparatively say that EVE requires no skill. I guess you could argue that eve employs the use of your spreadsheet skills but that isn't something most competitive gamers care to be proud of. Game know-how is not a skill, its something anyone with a normally functioning brain can achieve.

I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.

I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back.

Ah yes. More condescension from the self-entitled elitists. It feeds my soul.

Incorrect.

World of Tanks is about PvP
Counterstrike is about PvP (and hacks)
Modern Warfare is about PvP

Those games have zero industry, zero manufacturing, no grinding PvE content to buy the next gee-gaw. They're about PvP, solely and nothing else.

Eve is about every thing else, and PvP. The PvP just happens to be a side junket for the few and the bloodthirsty... I should know, I have played eve for 9 years now and for many of those I was a hardcore PvP junkie.

As PvP became less about cat and mouse and more about hiding until you had overwhelming force, station games, bubbles, and any of the dozens of PvP eliminating features I looked into other aspects of the game.

Because, why? They're there because Eve isn't solely a PvP game.

Until Eve became more of a second job than a game. That's when I hung up my hat.

Now I've put down my scram and my web and chill doing exploration or manufacturing with my dozens of T2 BPOs; or go play any of a host of real PvP games when the invariable wardec comes along.

Really and where would you get your ships if industrial characters werent mining the resources and manufacuring them for you? Or is it like your moms house where you wake up and your laundry is done presumably by the laundry fairy? You are utterly clueless.

Fixed it back for ya.

EVE is all about industry, there wouldn't be any ships without it!

Sounds pretty stupid right?

. . .

EVE is all about PVP, what else would the ships be used for?

JUST. AS. STUPID.

Some utter crap

You somehow interpret my not accepting a delusionally open ended 'I got there first! Where ever that is...' definition of PVP as me not liking EVE? It'd be interesting if only it made sense.

Reading sentences comprised of words to extract the ideas and expressions contained within appears beyond you. I'd recommend you forget everything I've said, except you apparently already have.

A proper response usually comes afterwards, but I suppose if it's provided in advance that's okay too.