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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vegeta on 09/01/2005 19:46:52
We all know of the untimely 'partial disbandment' of the Curse Alliance. Within both corporations and alliances you have key-members who keep things running, if you lose those members you can say good bye to your organization, whatever it might be.
That however, has little to do with the rest of this post.
What I'm really worried about is the lack of alliance wars going on at the moment. Maybe it's just me and the fact that I'm pretty much inactive as a PVPÆer at the moment but I think we have a dilemma on our hands.
Alliances such as XETIC, FA and SA are currently the biggest in Eve. With CA, their æcommon enemyÆ gone, IÆm worried that these alliances will have freedom to do as they please in 0.0 space. These alliances are big and fat and few have the guts to stand up to them. With the only real fighting force big enough to keep them in line no longer among us (or a shadow of its former self), IÆm worried that these giants will be allowed to grow even further and become some sort of unconquerable market-governers.
Every day, week and month it becomes harder for new players and corporations within Eve to establish themselves without joining one of those 'things'. Alliances are becoming too governing, too market-cornering and too*****y in my opinion. We need more troublemakers.
Lots of corporations have crumbled because of a traitor on the inside, we need more people like that, more scammers.
We need more pirate corporations and more free-range PVP'ers. All the newbies seem to get eaten up by Celestial Horizon or some other mega-corporation and turned into mining drones promised riches in the form of Arkonor and Bistot.
They do it because it's logical, it's the smart thing to do, isn't it?
I guess I probably shouldn't be posting this, it makes little sense. I'm not even sure what my point is myself. Here is and example of the circle of ISK within Eve:
Pirate Corporation fleet vs. Alliance Fleet
Pirate corp kills 5 battleships, loses 3.
Pirate corp decides to build own ships to recover losses. Buys BPC's from alliance corp in empire space. Buys high-range ore from alliance corp in empire space. The pirate corp might have saved a little money by making the ships themselves, but they just handed the alliance a whole lot of cash too. (insurance cash)
Alliance recieves money from pirate corp and uses mined minerals to recover losses.
Result: Alliance gains a whole-lot of cash. The alliance have the most players and the most money flows through them.
My point:
The only way we can really hurt the alliances is if we go into their space and POP THEIR FREAKING ARKONOR ROIDS (this is a kickable offence within XETIC).
Thank you.
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:43:00 -
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uh huh...
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:47:00 -
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nice post...
but for example you go into xetic space with a friend you kill those mining drones over and over till they get fed up and quit mining or move elsewhere
even though xetic is rich beyond belief why not make alliances lives harder and blowup their miners for example?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:53:00 -
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I think it'll give Evol, m0o, Shinra, VOTF & so on a new purpose in life to make sure the fat cats dont get too fat. The galaxy needs chaos, mayhem and anarchy, peaceful coexistance and fun 24 hour mining just isn't cricket.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:54:00 -
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I think this is the calm before the storm. You'r absaloutley right tho Vegeta. But give it some time, it's only been a week since the big guns left the CA. Politics will alter, someone will slip up, the balance will be lost.
Politically this is a very interesting time now, one that will be the beging of the next page in the history of eve. I see the west and the south being a potential area for another large conflict. Fountain and NORAD will be especially worried at the momment. Already BoB have threatend them. Stain and Xetic will recouperate for the momment, but their pvp'ers will soon get bored and im guessing could turn their attention over to Fountain. Sounds ridiculous i guess, but you never know really.
I think you overlooked BoB's ability to cause havoc also. Their a tornado in a sense, and could choose one of the remaining powers as it's next piece of entertainment.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:56:00 -
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The major alliances cant just do what they please. I think you dont see the power of raid attacks, of corporations binding, making friends and stuff.
On paper, you are right. But friendships isnt to be defined on paper.
So in reality, you are not even close to it.
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OMGWTFHAX
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:25:00 -
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in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them. |
Stain ALT
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:30:00 -
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 Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
lol, sure
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
1: We're just a bunch of carebears and cAKe friends, your average miners...
2: I don't think we're bending any alliances, but we do seem to have bent you far enough to make an alt to post your opinion, my iteron V must really have mystical powers.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:31:00 -
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Calm before the storm?
Gods, no...just a short respite between cataclysms.
There are now more rowing bands of PvPers in EVE than ever before. And they are big enough to challenge the major alliances (and I'm talking XETIC, SE and FA here).
Knowing a bit about the political landscapes of the moment, I know that peace is the last thing you need to worry about right now.
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:35:00 -
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lol Sun Wa this time it is not an alt posting :P
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
The major alliances cant just do what they please. I think you dont see the power of raid attacks, of corporations binding, making friends and stuff.
On paper, you are right. But friendships isnt to be defined on paper.
So in reality, you are not even close to it.
I belive you are quite right. By the way nice battle today. We all had some fun 
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Mordachai Ma'tak
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:48:00 -
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I, for one, will keep trying to kill as many alliance ships as possible. You just handed me the perfect excuse :)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:49:00 -
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Uhu. We be the big bad Celestial Horizon man!
As I said, this is more than ever a time of chaos, not of stability.
This is the calm before the storm. Everytime someone complained that the alliances were all just pushing the WIN button, something happens.
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2005.01.09 21:08:00 -
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Jei.. some time off to finally have any isk..
I can't see SE ever monopolising the empire market really
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.01.09 21:37:00 -
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Considering the amount of people playing this game for the fights, I don't think there is anything to worry about.
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Hitman2120
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Posted - 2005.01.09 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hitman2120 on 09/01/2005 21:41:18
It's the calm before the storm... and one hell of a storm i think it'll be.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.09 21:47:00 -
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the vacancy that curse left amongst the powerplay of eve will be occupied any time soon. who and when, we don't know.
it's impossible to have a monopolar game, considering all the alliances that are out there, so we might see smth rising amongst the CA ashes.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:20:00 -
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Current situation is not peace yet. There are still fights going on and ships lost. I don't believe war will ever be over 
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.01.09 23:13:00 -
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The day we found out "we won" for lack of better phrase the war... alot of us were sad no one left to fight. You'd think after so long fighting and the drive to win and kill the ca we'd be happy but frankly i was ****ed how boring would eve be if we all mined all day every day. it would frankly blow and it would be the end of Eve and ccp wouldnt let that happen :)
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Guderian
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Posted - 2005.01.09 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Wu
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
1: We're just a bunch of carebears and cAKe friends, your average miners...
2: I don't think we're bending any alliances, but we do seem to have bent you far enough to make an alt to post your opinion, my iteron V must really have mystical powers.
hmm, that 'alt' just happens to be the co-author of the pvp-guide you chumps are following in combat. PVP-guide
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.01.09 23:23:00 -
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i think we wil be seeing more and more corperations doing what im doing takeing the fight too the alliances in empire but thats just me 
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Erzengal
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Posted - 2005.01.09 23:45:00 -
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Anyone got a glass of water, those Amarrian newbie's never go down quite right.
CA may be breaking up, things may be changing in the EVE-Verse, but its not the end of wars.
Many of CA corps have split, some are still fighting, some are reorganizing. It is not the last we have heard from them. The cease-fires that are going around are to try and give time to sort things out.
Empires, corps, and other groups rise and fall in power, things change constantly. I wouldnt expect there to be "peace" for very long. As it is now, it is not as peaceful around here as many would think.
I would suggest you give it some time, someone will get bored and start firing. If you think there is no hope, then get organizing and setup something to contend the alliances.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.01.10 00:36:00 -
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lol, Vegeta an alt, now that's rich.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.01.10 00:41:00 -
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vegta is my alt
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Demian Sky
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Posted - 2005.01.10 02:52:00 -
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Quite frankly, I think BoB is going to be a substantially more difficult force to reckon with... While CA were abnoxiously denying that they were blasting whatever moved for fun, BoB is quite straight forward about the business of killing. Everyone, beware.
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.01.10 03:04:00 -
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People should try and play this game to have fun once in a while and actually risk something, not nap with every1 fricking entity out there cus that's the only way you think you're alliance will survive. CA didn't die on the battlefield.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.01.10 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Guderian
Originally by: Sun Wu
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
1: We're just a bunch of carebears and cAKe friends, your average miners...
2: I don't think we're bending any alliances, but we do seem to have bent you far enough to make an alt to post your opinion, my iteron V must really have mystical powers.
hmm, that 'alt' just happens to be the co-author of the pvp-guide you chumps are following in combat. PVP-guide
Perhaps you missed the bit where he quoted omgwtfhax, and not vegeta?
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Dr Smythe
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Posted - 2005.01.10 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
CA didn't die on the battlefield.
It ripped itself apart..and i cant see how one person can be blamed for the entire demise of an alliance...It takes two to tango :)
I for one will miss the raids..they gave another dimension to my game, and i totally respected the skills of CA (such as RUS and RUSH) I liked the lack of smack and the 'Business' approach to PvP they took..almost professional...I hope they declare war again :)
I for one am not laughing at the events that befalled CA..they are far from gone...and expect they will return with renewed vengance...game on!!!
Dr Smythe
Xetic grunt
OTE Elite Mining Carebear wing (TOPGUN awarded ark kills)
Occassional PvP'er (in frigs)
owns 4 BS's - for mining
RESPECT!!!!
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Naqq
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Posted - 2005.01.10 03:41:00 -
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You got my full support man, I'll do the fighting you do the mining, deal?
Just let us know..
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2005.01.10 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
The day we found out "we won" for lack of better phrase the war... alot of us were sad no one left to fight. You'd think after so long fighting and the drive to win and kill the ca we'd be happy but frankly i was ****ed how boring would eve be if we all mined all day every day. it would frankly blow and it would be the end of Eve and ccp wouldnt let that happen :)
The better phrase would have been "The day we found out the PVP corps left CA..."
After all you didn't beat CA, they didn't disband because of you so your "phrase" holds no water.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Nova Strikes
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Posted - 2005.01.10 04:01:00 -
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Dont get so bloody defensive.
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Joviah
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Posted - 2005.01.10 04:24:00 -
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To the original poster:
You say the only way to kill off a 0.0 alliance is to take away their Arkanor.
What would you say if you realized SE has operated all this time without easy access to Arkanor in the first place?
Read back for about a year or so (since Castor release) and you will see post after post from Stain Alliance, now known as Stain Empire, that they got shafted on the asteroid distribution. Really the best materials we have in abundance are zydrine containing asteroids, and there's been times when zydrine sells cheap as dirt on the empire market.
Dunno if you were aware or not
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.01.10 04:24:00 -
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It's a very personal issue, were pvp'ers and full of testorome and pride.
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Maasu
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Posted - 2005.01.10 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
To the original poster:
You say the only way to kill off a 0.0 alliance is to take away their Arkanor.
What would you say if you realized SE has operated all this time without easy access to Arkanor in the first place?
Read back for about a year or so (since Castor release) and you will see post after post from Stain Alliance, now known as Stain Empire, that they got shafted on the asteroid distribution. Really the best materials we have in abundance are zydrine containing asteroids, and there's been times when zydrine sells cheap as dirt on the empire market.
Dunno if you were aware or not
We mined bistot in lower stain while we were down there. Nowt wrong with bistot really.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.01.10 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 10/01/2005 04:46:33
The line of meta-game warefare in EVE has been an evolving cycle of peace/war since about the 3rd month of release. Don't worry, the next cycle will be along soon enough. And as we have learned in the past, it is always bigger and better. 
Everyone should be taking this time to secure the assets needed for nice new things that make stuff go "boom", because you never know when the next wave is coming.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.01.10 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 10/01/2005 10:43:04
I can sort of understand why you made this post, Vegeta, but isn't your corp in XETIC as well?
Originally by: Vegeta
We need more pirate corporations and more free-range PVP'ers. All the newbies seem to get eaten up by Celestial Horizon or some other mega-corporation and turned into mining drones promised riches in the form of Arkonor and Bistot.
I'm not sure I understand your point here. You speak as if the players who join such corps suddenly lose their free will and become robots.
Megacorps... hmmm... CLS, BIG, Tyrell, etc... I know there are others, but those three are some of the most well known. Industrial giants like these are some of the most organized and succesful corps in the game because they have CEOs who care more about their members and their corps as a whole than the size of their wallets. I can't recall a time when a member of these corps has come to the forums and cried out against the tyranical rule of Cyvok or Joviah or TornSoul.
Or did you mean what you said as a compliment to them?
Originally by: Halseth Durn
Everyone should be taking this time to secure the assets needed for nice new things that make stuff go "boom", because you never know when the next wave is coming.
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Space Debris
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Guderian
Originally by: Sun Wu
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
1: We're just a bunch of carebears and cAKe friends, your average miners...
2: I don't think we're bending any alliances, but we do seem to have bent you far enough to make an alt to post your opinion, my iteron V must really have mystical powers.
hmm, that 'alt' just happens to be the co-author of the pvp-guide you chumps are following in combat. PVP-guide
Erm I cant help but think Sun Wu was referring the guy he quoted as being an alt ie the dude with the name OMGWTFHAX , ie the dude he quoted, ie the dude you quoted whilst quoting him ...... doh ?
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B Slap
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: CKOZUK
Originally by: Eleese
The day we found out "we won" for lack of better phrase the war... alot of us were sad no one left to fight. You'd think after so long fighting and the drive to win and kill the ca we'd be happy but frankly i was ****ed how boring would eve be if we all mined all day every day. it would frankly blow and it would be the end of Eve and ccp wouldnt let that happen :)
The better phrase would have been "The day we found out the PVP corps left CA..."
After all you didn't beat CA, they didn't disband because of you so your "phrase" holds no water.
Losing about 5 ships for every 1 you kill, daily, for about 3 weeks leading up to the 'internal' break up of the CA equals losing to the masses k.
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: B Slap
Originally by: CKOZUK
Originally by: Eleese
The day we found out "we won" for lack of better phrase the war... alot of us were sad no one left to fight. You'd think after so long fighting and the drive to win and kill the ca we'd be happy but frankly i was ****ed how boring would eve be if we all mined all day every day. it would frankly blow and it would be the end of Eve and ccp wouldnt let that happen :)
The better phrase would have been "The day we found out the PVP corps left CA..."
After all you didn't beat CA, they didn't disband because of you so your "phrase" holds no water.
Losing about 5 ships for every 1 you kill, daily, for about 3 weeks leading up to the 'internal' break up of the CA equals losing to the masses k.
Your numbers are a load of crap but anyway... How many times do people have to say CA demise was NOT due to anything military hell even SE commanders admit it was nothing to do with the military it was internal conflict which tore CA apart. So stop trying to get a rise little alt boy and run along.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Kulach
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:19:00 -
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Don't feed the alt trolls CK.
*I really wish they would ban the entire account when a char is constantly used for trolling. At lease then they only have one chance of causing grief*
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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B Slap
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Posted - 2005.01.10 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: B Slap on 10/01/2005 12:08:18
When you lose ship after ship after ship and cannot even defend your Home system for more than about 10% of the day its called LOSING
When you bicker continually on your own forums about lack of competent leadership and every battle fought without one of those 3 or 4 competent leaders in charge ends in defeat its called LOSING
When that internal bickering becomes even more fierce because miners are moaning at PVP'ers for not protecting them but those PVP'ers are dieing more than usual themselves its called LOSING
When your council leaders approach Stain leaders and other direct opponents asking for surrender terms IT'S CALLED LOSING
It doesnt matter who posts facts when they are facts, CA LOST !! Deal with it and move on.
Maybe Supremacy didnt lose anything but when you choose to ally yourself with others and all fly under one alliance banner ie CA then you have to accept what those ally's get themselves into.
CA lost and is now beaten, gloss it up however you like as I find your arguments cute.
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Guderian
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Posted - 2005.01.10 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Space Debris
Originally by: Guderian
Originally by: Sun Wu
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
in my opinion there are too many 'trouble makers'
BoB is such a threat now that they r unstoppable...nothing left in eve can stop them...so alliances are being bent by them.
1: We're just a bunch of carebears and cAKe friends, your average miners...
2: I don't think we're bending any alliances, but we do seem to have bent you far enough to make an alt to post your opinion, my iteron V must really have mystical powers.
hmm, that 'alt' just happens to be the co-author of the pvp-guide you chumps are following in combat. PVP-guide
Erm I cant help but think Sun Wu was referring the guy he quoted as being an alt ie the dude with the name OMGWTFHAX , ie the dude he quoted, ie the dude you quoted whilst quoting him ...... doh ?
Doh  . You are right, dude. I overlooked that. Thanks for correcting me
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Posted - 2005.01.10 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cayote XIII on 10/01/2005 18:52:50
Some erroneous assumptions made by the original post:
1) CA is dead. Road Apples! It is changing yes, perhaps evolving as any organism does, but it is not dead.
2) There is peace everywhere. See above. Actually, there is more confusion then anything else as to who is who and who can be shot at. Also, there are too many people in the game that like war for any peace to exist for any length of time.
3) CLS swallows up noob corps and makes them mining drones. Cow Paddies! Our corporation offers many oportunities to play many different roles in this game. That amounts to choices, which is a big draw for new, and old, players, some of whom otherwise may not get to participate in some of the different types of playing this game.
Quit smokin road kill dude and touch base with reality sometime.
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.01.10 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
To the original poster:
You say the only way to kill off a 0.0 alliance is to take away their Arkanor.
What would you say if you realized SE has operated all this time without easy access to Arkanor in the first place?
Read back for about a year or so (since Castor release) and you will see post after post from Stain Alliance, now known as Stain Empire, that they got shafted on the asteroid distribution. Really the best materials we have in abundance are zydrine containing asteroids, and there's been times when zydrine sells cheap as dirt on the empire market.
Dunno if you were aware or not
Haven't you heard? We let you mine in Feythabolis. 
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.01.11 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 11/01/2005 16:48:07
Originally by: B Slap
Edited by: B Slap on 10/01/2005 12:08:18
When you lose ship after ship after ship and cannot even defend your Home system for more than about 10% of the day its called LOSING
When you bicker continually on your own forums about lack of competent leadership and every battle fought without one of those 3 or 4 competent leaders in charge ends in defeat its called LOSING
When that internal bickering becomes even more fierce because miners are moaning at PVP'ers for not protecting them but those PVP'ers are dieing more than usual themselves its called LOSING
When your council leaders approach Stain leaders and other direct opponents asking for surrender terms IT'S CALLED LOSING
It doesnt matter who posts facts when they are facts, CA LOST !! Deal with it and move on.
Maybe Supremacy didnt lose anything but when you choose to ally yourself with others and all fly under one alliance banner ie CA then you have to accept what those ally's get themselves into.
CA lost and is now beaten, gloss it up however you like as I find your arguments cute.
Ok look at it this way. We (Supremacy) left because of internal arguements between several people that we liked on both sides. If you want to call this a victory on your part. Go right a head, but do becareful what you say, we are looking for a new home, and the more people get on their high horse regarding this, the more likely we are going to return and shut them up.
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2005.01.11 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend Necrona
Ok look at it this way. We (Supremacy) left because of internal arguements between several people that we liked on both sides. If you want to call this a victory on your part. Go right a head, but do becareful what you say, we are looking for a new home, and the more people get on their high horse regarding this, the more likely we are going to return and shut them up.
lol, spot on. I thought about replying to this thread last night, but couldn't come up with anything that wouldn't feed the tragic trolling little alt. Yes thats you B Slap - ever used anything other than mining lasers? There is my flaming done anyway.
Thing is the PvP corps left becuase of internal arguements about what they or another corp should be doing. Aneu springs to mind as one of the many internal squabbles. But possibly the straw that broke the camels back.
I can't see any of those PvP corps being adverse after 'loosing' to turning up and handing back anyone their backside. Not exactly the actions of a defeated and broken group of corps. Again the present fighting of those corps up in Syndicate isn't exactly the actions of a group of corps with the fight knocked out of them.
Maybe those happily patting themselves on the back for 'beating' CA should ask JQA how broken and defeated those core CA corps are.
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2005.01.11 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
Alliances such as XETIC, FA and SA are currently the biggest in Eve. With CA, their æcommon enemyÆ gone, IÆm worried that these alliances will have freedom to do as they please in 0.0 space. These alliances are big and fat and few have the guts to stand up to them. With the only real fighting force big enough to keep them in line no longer among us (or a shadow of its former self), IÆm worried that these giants will be allowed to grow even further and become some sort of unconquerable market-governers.
Dude without XF corps making shed loads of stuff ( even in the heart of CA industrial territory (HLW-HP) during the war) the whole Eve market place would go into a serious reccession. Prices would rise and everyone would get upset.
On the flip side we buy and consume many minerals from all over. Prior to the CCP 'hrumph' trading skills fiasco I was building/selling nearly 60 cruisers a day in central eve systems I am just one minor player of XF. These minerals where all largely bought from market.
XF mines like crazy! We have lots of Arkanor and Zydrine and we have POS that we are using to greater and more profitable ways of extracting the stuff.
We WORK for our cash. We then equip big ships with shed loads of juicy mods! Get your head around the fact that XF works through honor, integrity and lots of hard work.
To beat a PvPer kill him!
To beat a carebear outproduce him!
We in XF know how to do both! We were born carebears and we learnt PvPing through the war.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 14:43:00 -
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I share Vegeta\'s opinion about this, but i think that a current change has alot to do with these problems that will arise. All the official alliances that are left at this moment are NAP\'ed to hell and back, fighting will be a minimum and internal structures will be adressed since this is the time to adres it. Procedures, economic advancements and such will be invested in which makes their money reserves stack and stack, fighting now for these alliances between each other would not be a wise move. But i do not think that the CA was enough to actually mean a negative effect for these alliances, we were little in numbers compared to the numbers that we stood against.
I personally think that the CA, due to the ammount of enemies we had, could never show our true potential. Any alliance 1vs1 would have been died if we truelly put all our efford into it. Some might say that we went up against SA 1vs1, but it was FA who came to their aid in Esoteria, it was CFS where most of our PVP\'ers would go to once in a while to get some fights or atleast some kills.
So i agree that the current alliances are going to become fat soon, but i think that CA was not enough to stop them from that. We were merely slowing it down a little.
But a recent change made the power from blobs increase alot more, the dual mwd change has caused weakness from blobs to become a minimum. The weakness from a blob is its unorganised movement, its reinforcements needed to stay a blob and its speed. The dual mwd tactic was hated so much not because it wasnt counterable, because 1 webi was enough to stop it, but because it caused guerilla tactics upon fleets. Happend enough times that we started moving 4-6 jumps fast, so the blob had to respond quick and thus failed to organise properly so the blob became spreaded. Then we would rush back and kill the spearhead from the blob and run further again, sometimes we repeated this several times. Also cutting off the reinforcements quickly before the blob can respond to even out the odds is something that cannot be done anymore.
What happens now is large blobs are formed, and small corps are no match for that. We can only hope that except for these changes the alliances also become lazy, which would mean less will to form blobs and eventually the defence might weaken... But the advantage they have will eventually be to great.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
I think it'll give Evol, m0o, Shinra, VOTF & so on a new purpose in life to make sure the fat cats dont get too fat. The galaxy needs chaos, mayhem and anarchy, peaceful coexistance and fun 24 hour mining just isn't cricket.
I actually agree with you Hakera, but it won't be Evol or M00... with Evol, m0o, Atuk, RKK, etc all forming "BoB" up in the north, they are effectively now one of the "ebil" alliances. They are just as bad as xetic, se, fa, etc.
We need more anarchy... and it won't happen by such-and-such corps going off to distant corners of the map, or getting into naps with everybody.
I'm still hoping for a breakup of Bob back into its component, otherwise bob is just one more "blob". Maybe VOTF, Shinra, or Supremecy will be the new "free-radicals" of eve... upsetting the alliance balances.
Otherwise, the game will be one big mining simulation.
Oh, and one more thing... for a while, Eve was pushing the 12k users every weekend... I haven't seen it much over 11k in some time. I think that the "pax-exodus" is causing people to go on hiatus for a while...
CCP should consider that.
The above represents my $.02, and does not reflect in any way shape or form my corporations point of view.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 18:20:00 -
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Big conflicts all probably had extremely trivial roots. I know XF-CA war started cos a XF pilot shot a CA pilot in a place he wasn't supposed to be.
How did all the other major wars start? I reckon similiar reasons probably a 1v1 battle is at the root of them.
TBH I am gutted CA are gone especially the way they went. I thought war was simply for its own sake and the rest is just gamesmanship.
So I am thinking lets make a committee to manufacture the next big galaxy spanning war! In this war we will all have giant robots with frickin big lazzzerrrs.
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Posted - 2005.01.12 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Monkiboy on 12/01/2005 19:35:58
It's much harder to be the bad guy.
CA- was the bad guy for the longest time.
We tore ourselves apart, combat was the thing we enjoyed doing and never really lost at it- even against the odds.
Lallante's comments regarding the active corps isnt lost on me. However lallante probably never asked "why would someone WANT to fight for CA?"
Near the end, it was a case of lose our members or lose CA. Gee- guess which one won.
If some want to call that victory over us, then to me it is simply an extension of their self rioteousness- that made us the bad guys in the first place- and their need to be on the moral high ground as if it really mattered.
If anything- CA's collapse is actually a victory for CA.
I'll explain...
The fact of the matter is, CA's collapse actually has very severe repercussions for all alliances.
You are all friends through one NAP or another. How long will that last? How long before you get drawn into someone else's fight- or **** off your friends for not helping?
How long before one of your friends decides that your space is nicer than their own?
This is an exciting time in eve.
The problem is- alliances like BoB seem to want to control all of 0.0. If that occurs- EVE is dead.
There would be no reason to PvP, and no method to do it.
Naturally- once this becomes obvious to all- do you really think people will let it happen? You're not all gang-banging CA anymore.. you'll have to turn on each other or get very bored. Some of you are bored already and it hasnt been a month.
The former CA corps have essentially split into 3 alliances.
The people who remain in CA space, the GW alliance (very strong group with a defendable area and good discipline), and the as yet un-named alliance (VOTF, Supremacy, Rona-kia/vortex et al).
We dont have anything to lose anymore.
Nobody to say "please come back and defend us!!".
Alliances should fear us, our shackles have been removed and we can now go do the things we always wanted to do. This is an awesome time for the former PvP corps of CA- and we're having a blast.
I was once in Xetic. I was very bored.
Too much money, not enough things to spend it on.
Never had that problem in CA. War was a constant funds hog. If the fat cats remain fat- and remain friends they'll just lose their PvPers through boredom to other games (can anyone say WoW?) or to pirate/merc corps that do not claim space, but feed on it- large wallet makes the latter option a nice one before going for the former.
Monkiboy
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