You always have the hotkey for 'Panic-STOP'. The default should be Ctrl + Space

Maybe was the red horizon patch worster, but what they now did with the minning bargues is also worst.
Cus the smallest ship in that class of t1 minning bargues can carry more ore than a T2 exhumerclassvessel thats its three times bigger than that procuer?

Or the mackinaw has an 35k cargobay for ore thats is 4 timers bigger than in a Hulk , and the mack is 1/3 shorter than a Hulk.!

And than should i said that is good work to the ppls thats work on the patch ? NO
I lost over the half of my cargobay in my hulk . Before the patch was the cargobay 17k for ore and cyrstals ! Now have i 735 cargobay for crystals and a 8500 orebay?

CCP, Why did you made the targeting system subcontroller rig stack with sebos/rsebos?

I mean other RIGs doesnt stack bonuses, so why this one should?
If you make it stacking, then make all the RIGs having stacking penalties.

Thats not coherent.

Overall loving the mining ships, however Hulk got nerfed a bit too much for its cost. Should probably have one more lowslot, or +1 warpcore stability - as things stand, they are simply not worth the cost over the values of the other ships. They are a lot of training for not much more than other ships - and very killable still when compared to Mackinaws / skiffs. Ironically the newer miners are rightfully delighted, the verteran miners not so much lol

Jury is still out on alchemy, however while you are taking feedback I'd love to see an alchemy process for isotopes. Helium + atmosheric gasses to Nitrogen isotopes etc etc. Would be nice and make it easier doing moon alchemy anywhere that isn't caldari ice

My assessment so far on this patch:

Barges/Exhumers: mostly great, EHP isn't there like it was on sisi

Ship rebalancing: should've started years ago, going to take far too long to be truly useful anytime soon.

Tooltip: how the hell do I turn this off? Takes up too much space and most modules give no relevant info .

Ethnic Relations: went from a necesary skill for a decent sized corp to a tax writeoff adjustment. Not a skill I'd bother training now, give me the SP back. I'll use it somewhere else.

removing the market search tab: fail, put it back dammit.

nice job re-adding the rightclick options for ore bay, drone bay and corp hangar, just want to point out a corp hangar has 7 divisions why is it only opening one?

it is a global "switch" but to make it more obvious we put in the settings for the window (if you change it in one inventory window it also changes in the other). we have window based settings in this exact place for a lot of windows. Fleet window, EVEMail, Drone window, Overview to name a few so it shouldn't be a total surprise to find settings options there.

I for one, have harder time finding settings in the esc menu all the time since there are more tabs there and a bunch of settings, but if you like to be angry about the placement of this, it's fine by me.

Don't be so precious, you little mining pilots. Pull the damned rigs out yourself and go pay for some new ones. Generation of princesses... you get a massive beneficial change to how mining works, and you still think the world owes you ever so much.

Harden up.

Categorizing the search market results is a bad idea. Think about it - when does a person use the search rather than the browse tab? When he's looking for a specific item whose name he already knows. Considering that almost all items in EVE have a corresponding bpc, having the results displayed in a category-tree means that in almost all cases one would need an extra click to find the item he's looking for.

Recent changes made Skiff and Mackinaw mine very similar ammount of ores that Hulk does.
Also giving 3rd low slot to mackinaw gave the opportunity to even outmine the Hulk if u have very low exhumers skill.
Moreover they received bonuses for tanking and a huge ore hold while Hulk did not receive sh*t.
What bothers me is Skiffs and Macks use up less crystals, because mine similar ammount but have less lasers so less crystals used during the mining. (less costs)
So Hulk got the biggest number of lasers, so needs a great number of crystals but has the least cargo bay to hold all those crystals for all those lasers. (i can hold only 4 set of crystals and no spare)

Hulk prices already dropped half on the market.
You said Hulk going to be maximized mining while the rest will tank and haul. Well I do not see that maximized mining. With maximized skills Mackinaw mines only 13,5% less than Hulk, got twice better tank and over 4 times better ore hold. Come on!

IMO very bad balancing, Hulk needs to be boosted. Bigger mining output and bigger cargobay for crystals otherwise its useless.

Recent changes made Skiff and Mackinaw mine very similar ammount of ores that Hulk does.
Also giving 3rd low slot to mackinaw gave the opportunity to even outmine the Hulk if u have very low exhumers skill.
Moreover they received bonuses for tanking and a huge ore hold while Hulk did not receive sh*t.
What bothers me is Skiffs and Macks use up less crystals, because mine similar ammount but have less lasers so less crystals used during the mining. (less costs)
So Hulk got the biggest number of lasers, so needs a great number of crystals but has the least cargo bay to hold all those crystals for all those lasers. (i can hold only 4 set of crystals and no spare)

Hulk prices already dropped half on the market.
You said Hulk going to be maximized mining while the rest will tank and haul. Well I do not see that maximized mining. With maximized skills Mackinaw mines only 13,5% less than Hulk, got twice better tank and over 4 times better ore hold. Come on!

IMO very bad balancing, Hulk needs to be boosted. Bigger mining output and bigger cargobay for crystals otherwise its useless.

Also giving 3rd low slot to mackinaw gave the opportunity to even outmine the Hulk if u have very low exhumers skill.

Jesus Christ, the whining.

Let me say it again: the Hulk didn't get nerfed; the other barges got buffed. Everything your Hulk did before, it can still do, and just as well (except for stupid things like carrying cargo, which you shouldn't have been doing in a Hulk anyway). Mining was always terribly unbalanced with the way things were before -- the Hulk rendered all the other hulls obsolete. That's not the case now in the role-based approach. It actually makes sense to buy several hulls depending on what you want to do with them. That's a good thing, both for the miners and for the EVE economy as a whole.

A Hulk is still the king of yield if you fit it properly and have the skills to use it and are using it for fleet ops. Fleet-use was always intended to be the niche for Hulks; CCP just made it official in this patch. People who flew Hulks solo were wasting the Hulk's superior yield and tank more often than not due to the silly-ass cargo fits.

If you were using your Hulk properly before the patch, then you can continue on as before without feeling any effect from the barge/exhumer changes at all. Most of the complainers were using their Hulks in a stupid way, and didn't read the patch notes closely enough to see what a great substitute the Mack is now. (Hell, even the much-cheaper Retriever is a pretty good option for hisec solo players now.)



If you have low exhumers skill, you probably shouldn't be flying a Hulk anyway, even before the patch. You'd spend way more on a Hulk than you'd ever make up in the marginal yield gain over a Covetor at low skills. It's like any other ship class in EVE: just because you can fly it doesn't mean you should fly it.

And you can leave you Item hangar open in station and it should stay open. Do this by SHIFT clicking on it.

Also the Primary window has separate in station and in space hangars.

Good work CCP.

The only downside in this patch is that my hulk, mackinaw and skiff have useless Medium Cargohold Optimization I or II in the rigs slots now, could those be unfitted and return to my hangar, please?

All the groups are collapsed by default... after you open them, they will remember their "openness" state, so if you open a group and leave it open, it will be open for all your searches after that.

We updated the new module button tooltips today, Friday, in Inferno 1.2.2, based on your feedback.

Please find information on the new and updated tooltips in this post from CCP Soundwave: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142498

We'd love to hear your feedback on today's update in that thread.

I'm just trying to explain why the patchnotes say what they do. We understand that some players will be unhappy with this as they feel that some skills they've trained are less useful to them. This is however something that happens pretty much every time we make any serious balance changes, and it's been long-standing policy that we don't reimburse skill points due to this kind of change. We appreciate that this is not to everyone's liking but we currently feel it's the best way to deal with these situations overall.



Thanks for the feedback I'm with you that shortcuts are a "better" way to play the game - I'm a keyboard jockey myself - but it's not something we're going to be teaching in the tutorial, for reasons outlined in the original blog

(Also, regarding skills and being podded, you can lose levels of a skill but I don't believe you can ever lose the skill itself - once it's injected there's no way short of wizardry to get it out again.)