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S0mveraa
Isotope Laboratories The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:05:00 -
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So i'm derping about with a corpie. We jump into Maut. OK, hey look some t3's, we engage. They freak the hell out cause we have a Bhaalgorn and it wasn't anywhere near their prime time. We start wailing on them after they agress.
There's an orca there .....ok I live in a wh i'm used to seeing orcas about doing strange things. We seem pods, then we see them dissapear. Eh, wtf no wrecks, no KM's ........wait a damn minute did that orca just..SCOOP THE DAMN SHIPS WE WERE SHOOTING AT.
Wasn't aware that was possible.Was that intended to be like that? I don't really care seems pretty slick TBH... but still wtf lol
Oh yeah i got it on fraps if anyone wants to see it. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:07:00 -
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WORKING AS INTENDED |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:59:00 -
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Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship. |

Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:01:00 -
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If you can scoop drones while they're under fire, why not normal ships? Wormholes are cool, m'kay? |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
292
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:17:00 -
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Maut? Probably POD alliance On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:15:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship.
Does the orca need a ship bay? We already have carriers for that. Simpler fix : remove orca ship bay (and corp hangar tbh) |

Lilly Tebron
Venhi
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:15:00 -
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Zicon Shak'ra wrote:If you can scoop drones while they're under fire, why not normal ships?
The difference here is if drones aggress you, the ship deploying the drones is aggressed on you as well. Thus, if he scoops his drones, you can still shoot his ship.
With the orca, the orca does not inherit the aggression of the ship he scoops, which basically makes the orca a "get-out-of-point" free card.
Personally I think they should just have a neutral aggression mechanic which applies to neutral reps, etc. Don't affect the security status of the rep/docking bay, but apply aggression with a timer equal to the timer of the user rep'd or scooped. That way, the aggressed can freely blow apart the logistics or scooping pilot to get at the guy who shot him to begin with.
If you are an enterprising pilot who still wants to deal in underhanded mechanics, you can still do this, but it's not risk free. Keep the orca aligned and it will probably get you what you want (scoop->warp to station), but it gives the opposing FC the chance to notice the Orca and call for bumps until a point can be applied after the scoop. Attacking another player should never be risk free in EVE. |

Rita May
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:46:00 -
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hmm... Lowsec? Orca scooping ships?
What kept you from shooting the Orca?
cu |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:50:00 -
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Rita May wrote:What kept you from shooting the Orca?
The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well.
I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Rita May
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Rita May wrote:What kept you from shooting the Orca? The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well. I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.
as far as i know there are two ways do deal with this:
1. force the Orca away by shooting it first - i know, the problem is the time it takes... 2. bumping an Ocra is not that hard 
cu |
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Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate Tus Network
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:28:00 -
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Rita May wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Rita May wrote:What kept you from shooting the Orca? The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well. I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business. as far as i know there are two ways do deal with this: 1. force the Orca away by shooting it first - i know, the problem is the time it takes... 2. bumping an Ocra is not that hard  cu
1. with the kinda EHP you can get from a fully tanked orca it can afford to sit there and scoop ships for a good long while before it actually has to jump.
2. the orca is usually only there long enough to scoop the ships and jump, so unleas you have a dedicated bumping ship in position and ready the instant the orca lands you probably wont even touch it before it jumps.
clearly you've never attempted either. I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 17:31:00 -
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Still this is the reason why orcas shouldscoop the agression along the ship and become blinky. |

feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:12:00 -
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Even easier fix:
You already can't board a ship that is locked. Change it so you can't scoop one either. |

Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:54:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Rita May wrote:What kept you from shooting the Orca? The aggression-free orca can just bail into highsec as well. I've run into this stunt a couple of times recently. In fact, the only lowsec fights I've had in the past two months have resulted in orca scoops and people running for highsec. I just laugh at the risk-averse "tough guys" and go on about my business.
trust me, even high sec doesn't necessarily mean the orca is safe 
I've seen it happen, it was hilarious
Low-sec Best-sec |

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
410
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:01:00 -
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I love how people are still surprised by this mechanic...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121969
Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
410
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:03:00 -
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And heres what I said to the last thread about this-
"The people who do this aren't looking at it as PVP... they see it as a farming opportunity for killmails, comedy, and loot. Same as smart bombing BSs and stuff of that nature.
And docking your expensive Legion in an Orca instead of letting it die to an aggressed fleet isn't cowardly, its economical and smart.
Pirates need a source of income just like anyone else in this game... these guys are just smart enough to use game mechanics to their advantage and farm incoming traffic. Would you say running missions is cowardly? How about playing the market? Personally, I find missions, markets, and gate camping all too boring to spend my time doing them.
Orca camping isn't an attempt at PVP or a search for a gf, its income.
Anyway, I don't do this. Maybe thats why I'm always broke... :P" Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:52:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:
Orca camping isn't an attempt at PVP or a search for a gf, its income.
And just like prenerf incursions, the reward is out of proportion to the risk. |

Terminator56
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:26:00 -
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Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake... |

Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:46:00 -
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Terminator56 wrote:Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake...
or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont Low-sec Best-sec |

Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:12:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Terminator56 wrote:Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake... or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont
You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you? |
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Zulol
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.10 01:44:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Lexmana wrote:Idiotic mechanics but as I understand is perfectly legal. I think either the orca should inherit agression or not being able to scoop the ships but I think it might not be trivial to solve since the agression flag probably belongs to the player and not the ship. Does the orca need a ship bay? We already have carriers for that. Simpler fix : remove orca ship bay (and corp hangar tbh)
You shut your hooker mouth. |

Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:59:00 -
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have been running into pirats doing this laterly and tho luckly they always seems to have too many ships to trow into the orcas. last time they had 7 or 8 t3s and only 2 orcas. obvious solution is to point everything and then hotdrop everything, either with titan bridge or supercaps to kill any stragglers off before it can deagress and jump out :P killing 1-2 t3s tops(the unlucky few that doesnt get room) tho thats pretty much the bruteforce way of doing it, and pretty annoying.
besides that you gotto bait them off orcas, seen vindicators mwd bumping the orca off the gate thus forcing it to jump before it got out of gate jump range, also pretty annoying and most t3s will simply start deagressing when you do that.
you cant really treathen the orcas to jump out too ealie unless you use titan bridge and jump in 50 drakes or something, since fighterbombers wont hit it well. nor does fighters do enough alpha to volly it.
last option which only work in some scenarios is baiting the t3 off the gates, but normally they are really really risk adverse and refuses to move off the orca.
obvious solution to this is to increase the orca sig radious so we can 1 volly it with supercaps fighterbombers. |

Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:22:00 -
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Twisted Girl wrote:have been running into pirats doing this laterly and tho luckly they always seems to have too many ships to trow into the orcas. last time they had 7 or 8 t3s and only 2 orcas. obvious solution is to point everything and then hotdrop everything, either with titan bridge or supercaps to kill any stragglers off before it can deagress and jump out :P killing 1-2 t3s tops(the unlucky few that doesnt get room) tho thats pretty much the bruteforce way of doing it, and pretty annoying.
besides that you gotto bait them off orcas, seen vindicators mwd bumping the orca off the gate thus forcing it to jump before it got out of gate jump range, also pretty annoying and most t3s will simply start deagressing when you do that.
you cant really treathen the orcas to jump out too ealie unless you use titan bridge and jump in 50 drakes or something, since fighterbombers wont hit it well. nor does fighters do enough alpha to volly it.
last option which only work in some scenarios is baiting the t3 off the gates, but normally they are really really risk adverse and refuses to move off the orca.
obvious solution to this is to increase the orca sig radious so we can 1 volly it with supercaps fighterbombers.
you are full of it, we all know you just camp the gate in titans to remove the problem Low-sec Best-sec |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
191
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:27:00 -
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You can scoop a ship thats locked by other ships but you cant board one from your pod when its being locked by other ships.
:CCP: Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |

Lord Vakos
0ne Percent. Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:28:00 -
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Good god.  |

Pipa Porto
675
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:29:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Karl Planck wrote:Terminator56 wrote:Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake... or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?
Bait the fight off of the gate.
Tah Dah. No Tornados needed. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

nat longshot
solo and loveing it Windowlicking Ninja Turtles
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Posted - 2012.08.11 05:56:00 -
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sry but that needs to be fix you should not bealbe to dock a ship in a orca under fire if they are lock and have been shoting. just like you cant dock for minute if you were on station.
It a smooth trick yes but a cheap one. |

Pipa Porto
675
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:07:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:sry but that needs to be fix you should not bealbe to dock a ship in a orca under fire if they are lock and have been shoting. just like you cant dock for minute if you were on station.
It a smooth trick yes but a cheap one.
But how will miners store the targeted Hulk to avoid getting ganked? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:12:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Karl Planck wrote:Terminator56 wrote:Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake... or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you?
Believe
With enough Alpha Machs and a bridge, you can get that orca before it jumps.
simples
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Lexmana
679
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:16:00 -
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eddie valvetino wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Karl Planck wrote:Terminator56 wrote:Yeah its a BS tactic, but hey nothing you can do about it except whine to CCP (which usually works quite well looking at previous nerfs). The other option is just to avoid amamake... or you could learn how to deal with it, but you wont You think that getting enough tornados to suicide gank a 300k ehp orca in highsec is a fair thing to make people to do kill you? Believe With enough Alpha Machs and a bridge, you can get that orca before it jumps. simples I like it when people call it simples when you need a Titan and 20 pirate battle ship to counter one pirate and his alt in an Orca. |
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