It takes a **** ton of mining in high sec to get you ISK back out of a hulk.

I was complaining about having a hulk for 3 weeks and then having to get a Mackinaw (274M Isk) to solo mine, but the Mackinaw now is sufficiently better than my hulk before that I'm not complaining anymore.

There still isn't enough CPU to make a good tank, but I can live with this.

NOTE: This post is being made under the assumption the above post about the cpu being too low is in regards to a mack. If the above post saying there isnt enough cpu to fit a decent tank is in reference to a hulk, feel free to ignore this post entirely

Im going to have to dispute this. While I only fly a retriever atm, I would assume that the tech II resists can only serve to make the
tank stronger. On my retriever i run the following fit:

high
2 strip miner II(the kind that can use crystals)
Mid
1 adaptive invuln
lows
1 damage control unit II
2 meta something mlus(cant use t2s yet)
rigs
med anti-em screen
med anti-thermal screen
med core field extender

stats come out to 3min cap with invuln running, stable with it off, 13k ish ehp with just the dcu II and 15k ish with invuln as well. mining output is about 1.4k m3 with correct crystals but no boosts. Mind you the character i use this on is nowhere near perfect skills with only about 5mil sp total.

With this in mind, getting the mack to a decent, hell even amazing tank should be fairly easy. While yes a little messing with the mods to get the best going would need to happen, im sure its still very much possible.

even to a miner where income is roughly **** poor levels, 20m is still pocket change, it's an hours work maybe more for a solo miner. also the price jumped because the demand jumped and the price won't come down again because the mineral costs have changed[gone up].

hulk owners didn't get shafted at all, they're mining about 15% more than you at max skills if you do the math from the dev blog. if you think they're wasting 15% of their time hauling you're deluded.

mining scordite in my perfect skill max yield hulk with 10% fleet bonus and 3% implant nets me just shy of 22m per hour mining veld, a touch more if i mine scodite, and a touch more again if i cherry pick the 5% and 10% variants.

once again; rets are pocket change.

I understand its pocket change. I just seen an endless flow of ranting last night over the changes. All of it from solo hulk miners. Mainly about having to dock more often & cargo rigs being useless - Expensive. Sounds more like I cant afk mine anymore in my hulk to me.

I understand its pocket change. I just seen an endless flow of ranting last night over the changes. All of it from solo hulk miners. Mainly about having to dock more often & cargo rigs being useless - Expensive. Sounds more like I cant afk mine anymore in my hulk to me.

/slams his head into his desk




YOU! YOU are whats wrong with miners! You want the best of everything! Can't stand that your precious little Hulk is no longer the King of Mining! Can't accept its a fleet miner now, you think CCP screwed up because what they REALLY meant to do was buff these other ships while making the Hulk still be a ******* God!

/endrant

I think the biggest complaint I have about this chamge is we spent 225Mill + on our Hulks and they get turned overnight into a fleet required ship.

I think the biggest complaint I have about this chamge is we spent 225Mill + on our Hulks and they get turned overnight into a fleet required ship. Spending that much isk on a ship that now must be flown in a fleet situation to be its most productive is not a good change, yes I can use a Retreiver to solo mine and not need to dock every 8 mins to unload. I guess its just the thought about all the time and isk spent to get into a Hulk feels kind of wasted now.

Oh, I knew about it and planned for it as well. My Hulk will be front and center for Corp Ops, and other Exhumers and or Barges will be used for solo ops. That was just a general feeling about the change that happened. Its all good.

P.S. A Retreiver is cheap enough and should fit a good enough tank that it should not be ganked too often while an Exhumer might still be worth it

~10k EHP protecting almost 30m ISK worth of droppable items? I'm pretty sure I can gank 10k EHP for less than 15m.

yup, they pretty much nerfed the miners. dang now what should i do with those medium rigs i just bought?

I think the biggest complaint I have about this chamge is we spent 225Mill + on our Hulks and they get turned overnight into a fleet required ship. Spending that much isk on a ship that now must be flown in a fleet situation to be its most productive is not a good change, yes I can use a Retreiver to solo mine and not need to dock every 8 mins to unload. I guess its just the thought about all the time and isk spent to get into a Hulk feels kind of wasted now.

~10k EHP protecting almost 30m ISK worth of droppable items? I'm pretty sure I can gank 10k EHP for less than 15m.

Good luck hoping everyone overlooks that Retriever.

30m worth of stuff on my retreiver?

RFLMAOLOL!


No.

miners aren't crying.

people who don't read patch notes are crying. there's a difference.

30m worth of stuff on my retreiver?

RFLMAOLOL!
No.

Ah, so you're giving up yet more yield. Well, fair enough.

Uhmmm....

A retreiver doesn't cost anywhere near 30 mill total, ship and fittings.
How are you getting 30 mill out of a ship that doesn't cost near that much, even after it's fit.


You're effectively saying that you're stealing my one leaf of paper and turning it into 30. How are you managing that?

And honestly, I have 2 strips and 2 MLU's fitted to my Ret. Not everyone is a min/ maxer, and not everyone AFK mines. I'm aligned and the second something that isn't a mining ship comes near my belt, I leave.

If you're fitting less than T2 Strips and 3 MLUIIs, you're giving up more yield for safety, and that's just fine. That's how it's supposed to work (though I have to wonder why the retriever and not the Skiff/Procurer).

T2 Strips are 6.5m each
MLUIIs are 2.5m each
An MSE is 2m.

That's 22m in fittings eligible to drop for an average of 11m.

When I said 30, I forgot that medium ACRs actually cost anything.

If you're fitting less than T2 Strips and 3 MLUIIs, you're giving up more yield for safety, and that's just fine. That's how it's supposed to work (though I have to wonder why the retriever and not the Skiff/Procurer).

Maybe just to screw with gankers that make isk based assumptions.

doesn't matter, the modules don't show you what % complete they are, you have to do it by eye, you will never be 100% accurate.

Once again it goes from bears chestbeating and salavating over ganker tears that didn't exist to outrage and true tears.