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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:22:00 -
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I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1192
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:23:00 -
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The market will take a while to stabilize, just like every other time something changes. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:23:00 -
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If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:25:00 -
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Go away OP with your intervening ways. Let the players make the game. |
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:26:00 -
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I am sure that some enterprising corporation will offer to trade ships at some convenient location. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:26:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.
Or you just prefer to do other things with your day them watch the forums constantly. I didn't know that CCP gives you an advance look at patch notes. I didn't see them until today. From the number of complaints and surprise, I'd say a lot of other people are in the same situation as me.
If you read the patchnotes early, you deserve to be rewarded. If you don't read the patchnotes early, you don't deserve to be directly punished. |
Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:27:00 -
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oh look another mining whine thread
For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more
The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole
If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made
I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable.
Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
199
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:27:00 -
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Speculation: where some do money but most lose it. Get over it. |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:29:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release.
Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes.... |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:30:00 -
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"I had a Hulk before the changes and all I got was this T-shirt" |
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote: oh look another mining whine thread For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable. Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)
Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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They're offering the opportunity to be better at what you like doing: mining.
What's better than that? Unless you want free crap and an easy button like every other loser posting whinage today. |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. Or you just prefer to do other things with your day them watch the forums constantly. I didn't know that CCP gives you an advance look at patch notes. I didn't see them until today. From the number of complaints and surprise, I'd say a lot of other people are in the same situation as me. If you read the patchnotes early, you deserve to be rewarded. If you don't read the patchnotes early, you don't deserve to be directly punished.
Wrong, if you play an MMO you should know that patches happen and any one patch can contain multiple changes that can and will affect your play style. If you are to lazy to take 2 minutes to look for upcoming patches you have no one to blame but yourself. You do not have to read forums, there is a blog and news page for Eve Online, just like every other MMO out there.
Hell, they even sent out emails with info on upcoming changes, so don't spout BS about "I didn't see changes because I don't read forums", there are plenty of other avenues out there to get information. I suggest you use them. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
542
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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It's the nature of market forces, you earn your isk from mining because of them. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P
When supercarriers - costing upwards of 12 or 15 billion ISK each were nerfed, CCP did not give them a single ISK in compensation, as was onyl right and proper. No one else gets this special treatment you're asking for when their ships get rebalanced. Why should miners? Especially when they've received such a gigantic buff? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Speculation: where some do money but most lose it. Get over it.
I try not to do my money. Too many paper cuts. |
Doctor ForumAlt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:33:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....
That would be far to easy to see and read. What kind of stuff are you smoking anyway?
What a daft lunatic. Take your silly idea over to the goat pen and tell the chickens.
Makes no sense... In a white box... Geeezzzz |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:33:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote: oh look another mining whine thread For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable. Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me) Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.
The essence of the changes were telegraphed weeks in advance. Only the exact stats were in any doubt.
Not that it makes any difference. CCP don't "reimburse" for wholly unannounced changes either. And a little thought will reveal to you why this is necessary. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:35:00 -
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So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:37:00 -
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the best part about eve is how i can take money from stupids merely by being better informed
out of the way poors, daddy warbucks is coming through |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1193
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:38:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? That isk had to be earned somewhere. It is no more free than the isk I get when I sell my mission loot. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:38:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?
Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:39:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it.
(Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:39:00 -
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do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed?
No, which I believe I already said. But offering a trade balances out that by allowing people to trade in their lower worth ship for the higher worth ship. This makes it so that people negatively effected by the market flux don't loose money. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:40:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:41:00 -
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why shouldn't they lose money |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:41:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet those ******* guys always stealing my procurers |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet those ******* guys always stealing my procurers
:smug: EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it. (Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)
When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss. |
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