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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:22:00 -
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I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1192
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:23:00 -
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The market will take a while to stabilize, just like every other time something changes. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:23:00 -
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If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
253
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:25:00 -
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Go away OP with your intervening ways. Let the players make the game. |
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:26:00 -
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I am sure that some enterprising corporation will offer to trade ships at some convenient location. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:26:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.
Or you just prefer to do other things with your day them watch the forums constantly. I didn't know that CCP gives you an advance look at patch notes. I didn't see them until today. From the number of complaints and surprise, I'd say a lot of other people are in the same situation as me.
If you read the patchnotes early, you deserve to be rewarded. If you don't read the patchnotes early, you don't deserve to be directly punished. |
Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:27:00 -
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oh look another mining whine thread
For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more
The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole
If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made
I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable.
Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
199
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:27:00 -
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Speculation: where some do money but most lose it. Get over it. |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:29:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release.
Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes.... |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
805
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:30:00 -
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"I had a Hulk before the changes and all I got was this T-shirt" |
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote: oh look another mining whine thread For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable. Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)
Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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They're offering the opportunity to be better at what you like doing: mining.
What's better than that? Unless you want free crap and an easy button like every other loser posting whinage today. |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. Or you just prefer to do other things with your day them watch the forums constantly. I didn't know that CCP gives you an advance look at patch notes. I didn't see them until today. From the number of complaints and surprise, I'd say a lot of other people are in the same situation as me. If you read the patchnotes early, you deserve to be rewarded. If you don't read the patchnotes early, you don't deserve to be directly punished.
Wrong, if you play an MMO you should know that patches happen and any one patch can contain multiple changes that can and will affect your play style. If you are to lazy to take 2 minutes to look for upcoming patches you have no one to blame but yourself. You do not have to read forums, there is a blog and news page for Eve Online, just like every other MMO out there.
Hell, they even sent out emails with info on upcoming changes, so don't spout BS about "I didn't see changes because I don't read forums", there are plenty of other avenues out there to get information. I suggest you use them. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
542
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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It's the nature of market forces, you earn your isk from mining because of them. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P
When supercarriers - costing upwards of 12 or 15 billion ISK each were nerfed, CCP did not give them a single ISK in compensation, as was onyl right and proper. No one else gets this special treatment you're asking for when their ships get rebalanced. Why should miners? Especially when they've received such a gigantic buff? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Speculation: where some do money but most lose it. Get over it.
I try not to do my money. Too many paper cuts. |
Doctor ForumAlt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:33:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....
That would be far to easy to see and read. What kind of stuff are you smoking anyway?
What a daft lunatic. Take your silly idea over to the goat pen and tell the chickens.
Makes no sense... In a white box... Geeezzzz |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:33:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote: oh look another mining whine thread For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable. Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me) Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.
The essence of the changes were telegraphed weeks in advance. Only the exact stats were in any doubt.
Not that it makes any difference. CCP don't "reimburse" for wholly unannounced changes either. And a little thought will reveal to you why this is necessary. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:35:00 -
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So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:37:00 -
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the best part about eve is how i can take money from stupids merely by being better informed
out of the way poors, daddy warbucks is coming through |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1193
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:38:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? That isk had to be earned somewhere. It is no more free than the isk I get when I sell my mission loot. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4448
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:38:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong?
Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
19
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:39:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it.
(Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:39:00 -
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do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed?
No, which I believe I already said. But offering a trade balances out that by allowing people to trade in their lower worth ship for the higher worth ship. This makes it so that people negatively effected by the market flux don't loose money. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:40:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:41:00 -
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why shouldn't they lose money |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:41:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet those ******* guys always stealing my procurers |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:do you know who has 5,450 procurers?
come on, guess
the goonwaffe mentor wallet those ******* guys always stealing my procurers
:smug: EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it. (Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)
When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss. |
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
253
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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*kor o/ right here. EVE has always been a game where you must go OUT of game in order to make the most of it. However, the patchnotes can be found on your launcher* (I believe) and on CCP websites, not even 3rd party. How you continue to play EVE without visiting sites amazes me. GJ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1193
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:43:00 -
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If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.
Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!! |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:45:00 -
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When the speculators dump their stocks, look out. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:48:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.
It's also called an investment. Had you read the devblogs and patch notes, you could have made a fair bit of money (buy Skiffs at 80m, hold for 3 weeks, sell at 180m ).
The Devblogs and Patch Notes are Public, have always been public, and don't come out that often, so checking once a week will probably give you a pretty good heads up. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
46
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:48:00 -
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I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:51:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"
There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:52:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. there is no law called Ex Post Facto |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:52:00 -
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the thing you are thinking of is wrong too |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
46
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:54:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.
Wait so you are challenging people to troll you back? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1810
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
You had the best yield ship yesterday.
You have the best yield ship today. C/D?
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.
Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!!
What I made was a suggestion, I have no actual problem with how the patch was handled and I can wait to upgrade in the future. But just because the MMO industry expects you to watch their patch notes like the Sunday paper doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. When you have changes like these that you know will effect more then just the stats you changed, and will have a big effect, I think there need to be extra measures to the players of your game. I don't think it's right when CCP, Blizzard, or any other MMO dev pulls this kind of stunt. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
254
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.
also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ. |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:57:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.
1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision. 2. That's not what it means.
The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed.
If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail.
Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2333
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:59:00 -
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If you wish a different Exhumer now...
Sell Hulk. Purchase other Exhumer.
No intervention necessary. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:59:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Ahh, I was thinking of what appears to be a legal provision. My mistake. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto Man that was a long 2 seconds of Googling. While Ex Post Facto doesn't apply to what CCP has done in the slightest, it applies to the above example. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:02:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. 1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision. 2. That's not what it means. The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed. If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail. Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything.
Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did. |
Kieran Westgate
Shiva The Retirement Club
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:02:00 -
[47] - Quote
feihcsiM wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....
They should even create some sort of newsletter or at least e-mail us when there is new stuff. Maybe we should help out with the community team. |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:04:00 -
[48] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch.
What more do you want? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:05:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.
also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ.
I'm probably getting myself mixed up, so let me say it again.
I have no actual issue with the changes. I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch. I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on. I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way. You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize. |
stoicfaux
1404
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:06:00 -
[51] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch. What more do you want?
See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:08:00 -
[52] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.
But reptiles got the ubernerf! D= |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
291
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:12:00 -
[53] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote:
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
Knowledge is power dude.
Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.
Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:13:00 -
[54] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:[quote=Kor Soluce]
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
/quote]
Knowledge is power dude.
Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.
Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie.
Are you stalking me? Cause you totally just described my house. That's it, I'm callin' da popo! First I have to find my phone, it's dark under this rock. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
543
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
Look at the navigation bar at the top of the forum. There is a big link button with the words DEV BLOGS on it. I read the dev blogs about the barge changes a day or so ago and knew that the changes were on the way by reading them and various posts on the forums about them over the past few weeks.
You can also find all Dev Blog discussion threads here. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Pipa Porto
651
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Posted - 2012.08.08 23:59:00 -
[56] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch. What more do you want? See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin.
Newsletter. Sent out 7/19/2012 @ 6:15
http://community.eveonline.com/community/newsletters/vol079.html?utm_source=newsletter79&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter79
Top Headline:Quote: Keeping the content coming throughout the summer months, Inferno 1.2 will introduce several more enhancements this August.
-+ Helpful new UI features -+ Angel Cartel ship texture updates -+ Better guidance for new players -+ Ship balancing: frigates and barges
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
468
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:08:00 -
[57] - Quote
Just sell the hulk NOW, as prices are falling and buy a mack or a skiff. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
85
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote: I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.
Sure, and the suggestion you made is completely separated from reality and shows that you have no understanding of or respect for the integrity of the EVE market and how it works. Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
that was so well written that I only had to read the first few sentences to get what you were saying. |
RAP ACTION HERO
130
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
wai wai wait can i have a do over? it's too late to make my speculation bucks awwww |
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Veryez
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote:I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
I'm not going to attack you or question your genealogy. As other's have said, you had ample warning, but chose to ignore it. Give it 6 to 12 months, prices should stabilize, but I suspect they won't end up where they started.
What's more important is what did you learn from this?
EvE is a PvP game, and that doesn't just mean targeting someone and pressing f1. Market PvP is perhaps even more cutthroat than FiS. You need to constantly read the forums, log into sisi, and search the internet for the one advantage that will swing things in your favor. Knowledge is power, as a miner you have ample time to do the above. If this doesn't interest you, then you really have no cause to complain, because what you are really asking for is that someone who did all the research, logged into Sisi, saw and evaluated the changes, then implemented a plan on TQ (and yes took a chance) shouldn't be rewarded for all their extra efforts.
No real EvE player is going to agree with that.
So if you learned something, then this was a very valuable expansion for you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4449
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote:Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it. (Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.) When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.
When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:09:00 -
[63] - Quote
"I didn't keep myself informed, now I want ISK for my ignorance." I don't want to live in a world where this makes the least bit of sense; mostly because flying pigs terrifies me. |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:12:00 -
[64] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got?
You could have applied for the same compensation program that the Miners have available.
Rt. Click > Self Destruct EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
HTFU
and learn from your mistake and find these threads ahead of time http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
26
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:21:00 -
[66] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote: there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest.
For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law).
Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense' (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law). |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
33
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
next time go read the forum ..... |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote: Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.
Since you ignore the updater you should maybe commit this to memory for next time:
1. Go to top of this page 2. Click dev blogs 3. Click on 'Patch Notes' on the left hand nav
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
270
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote: there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest. For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law). Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense', regardless of whether the law has changed (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law).
Even if there were a law called "Ex Post Facto" that prohibited what the constitutional provision (and UN Declaration of Human Rights) prohibits, the OP interpreted it wrongly (saying that it protected criminals from recent changes, not future changes).
And even if it did cover recent changes, it wouldn't be applicable because nobody's being punished. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.
And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads.
Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
415
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts
because rets cost pocket change, only have 5% less yield than a mackinaw, and nobody is going to pay all that extra cash for ~7.5k cargo space unless they've got nothing better to spend isk on. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
415
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
Anya Ohaya wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads. Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them.
well living under a rock certainly is a new approach at avoiding gankers, i'll give them that. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
417
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:45:00 -
[74] - Quote
OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.
There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
9381
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
What a great thread. I liked the OP, because it made me laugh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.
There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound.
Someone's upset that his favorite shipclass got buffed. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
4
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
No. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:12:00 -
[78] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts
because ganking rettys is still fun? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
440
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
OP,
You do realize that for high-sec mining using a T1 barge is a very except-able option now ? If anything the T1 barges should be flying off the shelves.
And the best part about a T1 barge. On the slim chance that it gets ganked, who cares just grab another one.
And the odd part about the whole market right now is that Hulks still give the best yield so why switch out ?
So I am a bit confused why the markets are even going nuts right now there is no reason.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:38:00 -
[80] - Quote
****. Off.
That's all I have to say. |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
475
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:51:00 -
[81] - Quote
Will admit The irony was a good laugh
CCP updated the ships around people who fail to tank there ships properly and then someone asks if they can get reimbursed for fitting cargo expander rigs on a barge rather than a tank. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
83
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
No matter how much you give people, seems like there's always someone who feels entitled to more
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:04:00 -
[83] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:OP,
You do realize that for high-sec mining using a T1 barge is a very except-able option now ? If anything the T1 barges should be flying off the shelves.
And the best part about a T1 barge. On the slim chance that it gets ganked, who cares just grab another one.
And the odd part about the whole market right now is that Hulks still give the best yield so why switch out ?
So I am a bit confused why the markets are even going nuts right now there is no reason.
I think perhaps you mean "acceptable"? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Shinzok Knowledge
Rock Paper and Scissors Company
1
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:40:00 -
[84] - Quote
Would it maybe be possible to have the Cargohold Expander Rigs reimbursed on our mining ships, (ofcourse against normal prices from one of the trading hubs).
That would make the transition alot easier |
Pipa Porto
671
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:20:00 -
[85] - Quote
Shinzok Knowledge wrote:Would it maybe be possible to have the Cargohold Expander Rigs reimbursed on our mining ships, (ofcourse against normal prices from one of the trading hubs). That would make the transition alot easier
Rigs have never been reimbursed so long as they still work on the ship*. Cargo Rigs still provide some benefit to Hulk pilots, so they're not gonna get reimbursed.
Otherwise, can our friendly Shield Titans get their Nano rigs Reimbursed, etc.
*The one time that I know of Rigs being reimbursed was when Bombers were switched from using Cruise missiles to Torpedos, and CCP reimbursed Rigor rigs and the like (that don't provide any benefit to Torpedos). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
369
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:42:00 -
[86] - Quote
This thread is about being AFK.
"I'm an AFK miner. I'm AFK from the forums. I'm AFK when everyone reads the patchnotes.
Give me free ships."
Lol no. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
332
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:43:00 -
[87] - Quote
I bought a skiff and a procurer the day I first read about these changes. In EvE, the forums are half the game.
One thing I haven't read about though is what happened to the mining frigate? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2621
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:22:00 -
[88] - Quote
"I don't like reading so CCP should fix something for me". (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:32:00 -
[89] - Quote
Forum Harlot wrote:"I didn't keep myself informed, now I want ISK for my ignorance." I don't want to live in a world where this makes the least bit of sense; mostly because flying pigs terrifies me.
Hell, flying pigs (of the non police variety) would terrify me. You want fries with that? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2621
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:37:00 -
[90] - Quote
Depends if they fly into my frying pan every morning. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1680
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:45:00 -
[91] - Quote
So ...
Patch notes are noticed at the login screen.
Every player who plays this game knows (or should, really!) that he potentially gets affected by patches and it's a no-brainer that these ships would be more expensive after the patch ...
Those who play a game don't have the responsibility to read up on changes themselves ? It's not that CCP never gave opportunities about what's going on, regardless of the forums.
So, in short, you ask for something because of your own shortcomings.
That's one great attitude, you'll make it very far ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
49
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:10:00 -
[92] - Quote
Kor Soluce wrote:I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P
EDIT: Lemme just put what I would up saying farther down up here as well
I have no actual issue with the changes. I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch. I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on. I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way. You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize.
EDIT2: Clearly the community is vehemently against my suggestion, and I'm not afraid to admit defeat. So ... yeah. Obviously it was a bad idea. :P
TL:DR I LOVE THE NEW BARGES!!!!!!!!!!, but I don't actually have the isk to purchase the one I want so CCP should take mine and give me the one I want.
ROFL |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:47:00 -
[93] - Quote
Can CCP Offer Something Because of Barge Changes?
No.
Adapt. It is what players in EVE do.
Anything else is whinning. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Jagoff Haverford
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
35
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:51:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:EDIT2: Clearly the community is vehemently against my suggestion, and I'm not afraid to admit defeat. So ... yeah. Obviously it was a bad idea. :P Dude, in all honesty, you could propose that CCP fix an obvious misspelling in some obscure mission description, and 80% of the forum trolls would come out to tell you that it's "working as intended", that you are an idiot carebear who wants CCP to do your spelling homework for you, and that you should just uninstall the game and go die in fire. And that's just in the first hour or so. The remaining 20% will be along shortly after that.
Oh, and the devs would completely ignore you, too. |
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:39:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote: So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss.
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Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release.
Mmmm? I have about a dozen or so each of Skiffs, Macks and Hulks. This market fluctuation really doesn't affect me because I'm neither buying nor selling at the moment. The total value of my assets is roughly the same. Some ships dropped in price, some ships increased in price. Net result close to zero.
What you are trying to say is that you are a small fish, and small fish like you, who had either 1 skiff, 1 mackinaw OR 1 hulk, either got "burned" or "made money" overnight. But that's what happens to small fish everywhere, both in the game and in real life. Me, I'm not a big fish. But I'm bigger than you.
Were you going to sell your ship today? If not, then what does it really matter? You still have your ship, and the use of your ship. The reason you bought your ship hasn't changed. If you were speculating, you have done no worse than anyone else who did exactly the same as you.
But if you see a market fluctuation as "punishment", then a piece of real world advice: never, ever, ever get involved in stocks - you will lose your shirt. Markets go up. They go down. Wait. You'll see. |
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