A fix will be rolled out tomorrow. Thank you to the guys who bug reported this.

You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription.

Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs.

If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

"Pipa Porto-You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription."
That's not free. In the larger software world, innovation is part of the subscription model. You're talking to someone who has run a couple successful subscription businesses online. Without updates, people unsub. It's part of the churn process.

"Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs."
It's irrelevant if they launch the code with the bugs and ignore the feedback. Like the CSM, it's bread and circuses. A dog and pony show.

No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"

You're too intelligent to post nonsense like this, so I will remind you one more time to avoid doing so.

lol I think every1 wih sense is semi-AFK mining with retrievers due to their not being worth it to gank or the payout's over T2 exhumors like I figured they would 2 weeks ago, huh?

No decent software company relies on unpaid, likely unqualified third party testers as their Q&A process. I suggest you do some more research into software development processes before making nonsensical claims about "the glory of the motherland"

And those updates don't have bugs? Anyway, CCP is competing in the MMO world, where the standard is Subs+Expansion.

Then what are all these "Beta Tests" I keep hearing big gaming companies inviting people to participate in?

What, not being blindly cynical is not a sign of being stupid now? Ok.

Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Umm Microsoft,

And they are competing in the larger software world, where subscription rates are directly tied to game innovation and progression.

Very few people would be playing Eve if it was the 2005 version today. CCP knows that.


Beta testing is different than launching unqualified patches. Are you remotely familiar with Q&A methodologies?


It has nothing to do with your level of cynicism, but rather your desire to spin the conversation from facts of the situation into abstract tradeoffs and false dilemmas.

It's below you, you're brighter than that.

You're getting free expansions, unlike most other MMOs where you have to pay for expansions on top of your subscription. Oh, and they still get nasty bugs all the time (one of which the CDC has had some fun studying).

Improving EVE is a collaborative process between a small company and its customers. More people stress testing new code = better chance of catching bugs.

If you wan't to talk about "endorsing failure," saying that voting or testing doesn't matter fits the bill, since not trying is an absolute assurance of failure.

I said decent software company (and your example is nonsequitur anyway).

Look, if you're going to reply, make it a good one. Don't waste my time or the time of others here.

Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

3) And yeah, if you don't vote, you don't get to complain about who's in office.

If you don't hunt bugs, you don't get to complain that you find the bugs after they get to TQ.

Decisions are made by those who show up.

If you show up and are ignored, then feel free to complain.

What's your Definition of "Decent?"

Not Windows ME or Vista.

You're going on ignore.

Oh and if you Don't Vote, You are in fact voting for your Candidate Silence.. If you can not be bothered voting why the hell should you have a say in the process? You chose to opt out of it!

Sure you do.

If you can't vote for any candidate, including none of the above, then you're options to vote are incredibly limited.

You may like participating in a dog and pony show with contestants you have no control over, who have no accountability to you, and who you cannot select.

I see it for the farce it is. And I love to criticize people who believe they are participating in some noble civil process.

You're making the same childish error Ruby is making. You're confusing being asked your opinion with actually having an impact.

I said decent software company (and your example is nonsequitur anyway).

Look, if you're going to reply, make it a good one. Don't waste my time or the time of others here.

3) And yeah, if you don't vote, you don't get to complain about who's in office. If you don't hunt bugs, you don't get to complain that you find the bugs after they get to TQ. Decisions are made by those who show up. If you show up and are ignored, then feel free to complain.

Your having a laugh aren't you ? and why did you remove the "every Games publisher for the last 10 years" from your quoted reply.

If your going to argue a point don't come in with an argument you cant back up and can be ripped to shreds by anyone that feels like it.

Tal

Heck, the Cathode Ray Tube Amusement Device of 1947 probably had bugs (possibly literal).

Sorry, I can't agree with this one. You're saying that my money alone isn't enough to complain about the game's bugs. It is, and when it stops being enough I'll send it elsewhere.

Just because you don't vote doesn't count you out of the right to express your opinions about the politicians. It's still your country, and they're the ones running it.

It's not enough to complain about the fact that bugs make it into TQ. If they're not fixed in a timely manner, you have every right to complain, and I'll be right there with you. (Bringing them to CCP's attention, is of course, a great idea.)

Not voting means you gave up your right to complain about the politicians who were elected because you chose not to participate in the process that elected them.

I think CCP does a good job. You'd never know it from reading the forums.

And if some politician is sending the country to hell in a handbasket, everyone has a right to complain, whether they voted or not. To say otherwise is a way to start to censor the general public.

I don't mean that you lose the Right to Speak, just the moral authority that comes from being able to say "I tried to stop this jackass from getting into power," instead of having to say "I didn't vote, so this jackass had an easier time getting into power, but now that he's in power, I'm upset that a process that I was too lazy to participate in elected someone whom I disagree with."

Have you been on SISI testing and filing bug reports?

Past 10 years? You're being optimistic. Pac-Man has some significant bugs in it. Pong probably has bugs.

Heck, the Cathode Ray Tube Amusement Device of 1947 probably had bugs (possibly literal).

This quote seems rather apt in light of his (sadly) recent demise:

GÇ£It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the peopleGÇ¥
Gore Vidal

Combined with a previous posters signature:

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec.
CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.


On the wider point of voting in a representative democracy, remind yourself of ancient greek history. I don't have time to give you a lesson on philosophy or critical thinking but it is widely understood that representative democracy is simply a synonym for elected dictatorship. The illusion of choice. It has little relevance to actual democracy as originally conceived.

One vote is meaningless against a tide of ignorant voters, at best it is a moderating force and you get something mediocre and not particularly fit for purpose. Much like the governments in any country you can name. You'll have a much greater affect motivating others than actually voting yourself (which is almost entirely irrelevant).

Don't buy into the popular media's view (a view which benefits them by engaging you in the process from which they thrive) that participating in the same system within which you have no impact repeatedly gives you some sort of moral authority, it doesn't. It merely reveals you to be insane.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Stupidity or insanity? You pick.

I hope you come to understand the nature of representitive democracy in the future, fly safe o/

If you're unhappy with the way the leadership of the country you choose to live in is selected, there are ~190 other countries to choose from.

Meanwhile, proudly saying "I don't want to participate in improving the government, but I want to whine that I'm unhappy with the results" is ridiculous. If you don't feel that it's worth your time to vote, that's fine. But you're intentionally not participating, you don't get to complain that you're unhappy with the results.

If you're spending the time motivating others to vote, you might as well vote yourself.


Oh, and your EvE Demographics are wrong. That's the number of characters that were in each area during a snapshot. That has very little relation to the number of players.