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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:35:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:It is not easy in the least to stick it to someone that doesn't want to be probed (sexual innuendo, best innuendo!) .. maxed skills, implants, CovOps and rigging just to be eligible .. then comes the actual probing part. One problem with off-grid bonuses is that they force a very specific play as that CovOps is the only real counter to it .. a counter that is not "normally" found outside blob/fleet-fests (ie. low-sec/roams). Keeping status quo (or the stingy compromise of 'not in POS') and simply add even more mandatory 'alt required' mechanics ... more accounts, more dinero for CCP = good for game .. right? Another problem with off-grid bonuses is the magnitude. With the correct hull, implant and modules you are looking at amplifying a given groups performance by 50%+ which is staggeringly OP .. particularly since you have just the one above mentioned counter. Consider that we pay millions, even billions, to get just a few percentage points advantage on our individual ships by using bling .. links provide more than 10x (probably closer to 20x) that across an entire fleet (Ex. one ship with just one link magically transforms all T2 disruptors in the entire fleet into RF disruptors .. that is before commandship/T3 hull specific bonuses are even applied mind you). Yet another problem with off-grid bonuses is that they represent the most heinous of game design where one can influence events with no active participation, indeed without even being present..
I can't agree more. The response that people need to get an scanning alt to counter other peoples boosting alt is terrible. I hate dual boxing. Its pretty immersion breaking.
And before you say "get friends" Let me just say that anyone who wants to just scan on on their main without an alt must have brain damage. I will do it but its really boring and tedious play.
No off grid booster No boosting from inside a pos boosters show up on km. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.09 23:13:00 -
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David Devant wrote:I have a booster alt and I like it. Sure it's given be the advantage in "1v1s" (boo hoo), but it's also given me the confidence to throw ships in to daft situations (and loose). T3s vastly broadened the envelope of possibility for solo and small gang warfare.
Regardless of how much you might disagree, you're all mental if you think CCP will remove off-grid boosters. "I know, let's make it so lots of people unsub their second account!" :eye roll:
It does not open the possibilitys for solo. Using 2 ships in a fight is not solo any more than dual boxing 2 dps ships is solo. It looks like your solo on your killboard but your not.
As far as people unsubbing a second account I think ccp would gain accounts. No one really wants to sign up for "alts online." Having to dual box not only ruins the immersion it turns the game into a chore.
The offgrid boosters give such huge benefits its crazy. I am actually almost done with one myself so I can be competitive. I haven't used it yet but really I am dreading using it. Between alt scanning scouts, and alt boosters, this game is getting less and less fun.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:48:00 -
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David Devant wrote:I think you'll like it Cearain seeing as you get ganked so often. .
I don't mind the ganks. Minmatar need to feel good about themselves and if ganks are all they can achieve in pvp that is ok. Goals should accord with ability.
But as a frequent solo pilot in faction war it would be nice if the blob wasn't quite so fast to catch up to me due to thier offgrid booster. And it would be nice if the blobs points didn't stretch so far and lock so fast due to thier off grid booster.
David Devant wrote: To be fair to you people, I can see why you're pissed as you feel you have to pay 2x as much to be competitive in a 1v1. I just think that as the game currently stands this would make few vs many pvp a lot harder and encourage meat grinder nonsense. .
As gangs get larger they are more likely to have off grid boosts. They tend to be much more serious than the small groups who just want to jump in a ship and shoot people.
David Devant wrote:As for "you're not solo", I don't really care and would be happy for boosts to show on my mails, hence my quite publicly declaring this unpopular view. I just like good pvp, and what ever you say, boosts often do facilitate this.
In theory I really do not mind the boosts. I do like the added layer they add to how you can fit your ship. I just hate the idea of having to dual box an alt. It turns eve into a chore and pvp is supposed to be the fun part of the game.
Give me a crew that I can buy that matches what a booster offers and I will be fine. I don't mind that it might cost more isk in the long run. (as long as it is not ridiculous - perhaps in line with tech 2 mods) I recomended that ccp just make different racial crews you can buy to match the racial boosts. They would die with the ship. They could add academies to pi or something.
Am I pissed that I have to pay 2xs as much to be competive in pvp? I guess its "pay to win" and I am sure lots of people are upset by that. But thats not really my issue. I am just not interested in playing "alts online." So until ccp either changes things or gives an alternative (like the crew option) I am not so thrilled with eve.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:10:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Cearain wrote:I don't mind the ganks. Minmatar need to feel good about themselves and if ganks are all they can achieve in pvp that is ok. Goals should accord with ability. As an evil blobbing Minmatar, I should point out that I have never, ever, ever been blobbed by [I.LAW]. Ever. Nope. The "but it can be probed down" excuse that offgrid boosts are balanced is on even worse footing than the "but you can fit ECCM" excuse that ECM is balanced in small gangs. In a small gang, particularly of sub-BC ships with limited slots/fittings, you can't afford to gimp every ship by fitting ECCM to it just in the event you run into a Falcon. That is, with the chance that the Falcon will jam you anyway, because ECM is the only ewar which can't be completely mitigated by flying better. But that's another issue. In the same way, you can't afford to sacrifice one of your higher-skilled and richer pilots (for a covops ship, great scanning skills, and a Virtue set) just in the event that he maybe might be able to probe down that neutral Loki... which might just warp away. In large engagements/fleets, it's completely reasonable. In smaller ones, not so much. On top of that, this doesn't even take into account:
- Boosting from a POS
- Boosting from a station
- Boosting from a gate - particularly if equipped with MWD/Cloak
- Neutral boosting in hisec - try countering that one
- Neutral boosting in lowsec - whose booster is that? Is it just an AFK guy in a POS?
- Cloak-MWD trick elsewhere in space, or just covert T3; maybe toss in interdiction-nullified in there.
- So many people in system that you can't reliably tell whose booster it is
Or any number of ways that mitigate the risk of being scanned down, on top of making your boosting ship incredibly hard to scan down (via sensor strength, etc). The only other thing as safe as this is neutral scouting - which is actually just a subset of the roles that an offgrid boosting alt can fulfill. Neutral scouting is balanced. Offgrid boosting is not. Most of these questions can be solved by proper scouting and intel cathering. You are one of those who want that CCP does all scouting for you.
I am not interested in getting a "scanning alt" to counter the "booster alts" if that is what you mean.
But yeah scouting/roaming around for hours looking for something to kill is boring. Pretty much every aspect of eve pvp requires this, and its too bad. It would be nice if eve had some part of the game that had a bit faster paced pvp.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:03:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Either get rid of off-grid boosters, or put them on killmails. Either way is fine with me.
Preferably both. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:01:00 -
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Vytone wrote:They might, and that's the point. People should stop whining and utilize the tactics available instead of trying to eliminate them because they don't, won't or can't . And back to your question about the bigger gang having boosts, it happens to us all the time, but we still will usually take the fight, and find a way to be competitive.
That makes no sense. Then just make all the ships faster and have longer point ranges etc.
Vytone wrote: Now imagine for a moment we didn't have our boosts, we would be effectively rofflestomped. And then I would be all over the forums crying about bigger gangs using offgrid boosters. Nope not gonna happen. Adapt, diversify, change tactics because the battlefield is an ever changing environment.
You forgot, get your own alt and dual box the game alts online. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:03:00 -
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Vytone wrote:Another FW dude responds. Get into 0.0 and get blobbed and titan bridged on for a change. Go 40 jumps into 0.0 on your regular roams dude and get out of The Bleak Lands for once in your life.
If your big concern is blobs why are you in null sec? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:59:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Lev Arturis wrote:Off-grid boosting needs to go. We didn't need those in all the years before to fight vs. the odds. Learn to probe.
Yeah, dontcha know you need a probing alt to find the other guys boosting alt in "alts online." Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.21 22:37:00 -
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Vytone wrote:Cearain wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Lev Arturis wrote:Off-grid boosting needs to go. We didn't need those in all the years before to fight vs. the odds. Learn to probe. Yeah, dontcha know you need a probing alt to find the other guys boosting alt in "alts online." I thought we already agreed it should be "Whine on the forums because you can't cope till ccp change the mechanics for you online." Carebear tears, best tears!
Ah I see, because this mechanic is so bad you can't really defend it, you resort to name calling. Everyone who realizes this is a **** mechanic must just be a whiney carebear.
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:45:00 -
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Valea Silpha wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:
But I must repeat my thesis, that OGB cry havoc has source in blobbears who dont want to be annoyed by smaller gangs (which is probably the most fun of EVE, when you can show the blob middlefinger and try to pick weak and stupid from the blob).
I SAY DONT LISTEN TO THE BLOB, LISTEN TO THE PILOTS!
You're actually wrong. OGB's both reward and punish blobs in equal measure, depending on the situation. A big fleet wants/needs its boosters running whenever possible and is it a huge disadvantage if it doesn't have them. OGBs basically reward defenders over attackers regardless of fleet size, and I can't say if thats a good thing or not to be honest, just that it is what it is.
Blobs will almost always have a booster ship. Small groups usualy don't. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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