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Sean Arek Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.26 05:50:00 - [1] Very slight boost needed to make this ship not "the worse pirate faction" cruiser in eve. There is a reason these ships are always cheaper than Gila's, Cynabals, whatever you name it. Simply put it is underwhelming - which is a disappointing considering it may be one of the coolest looking ships in the game. 1. Add some PG so it can fit a proper shield tank without mods and/or rigs. 2. Increase speed or 3. Boost cap or 4. Something else to make it a little sweeter, but 5. No need to make it OP. I just want to fly it b/c it looks cool - but it sucks otherwise. At least give it a slight boost to PG so it can fit a proper shield tank without having to fit a PDU II or sacrifice a rig. That's it!
BobbiDaBuilder	Posted - 2010.11.26 08:50:00 - [2] I agree but I also think the specific buff should be an optimal range bonus to the phantasm. Why? All factions cruisers are similar to their t2 counterpart with different advantages and disadvantages. The cynaabal is equivalent to the vagabond, gila to the ishtar and vigilant to the deimos. Only the ashimmu and phantasm are the oddman out. The ashimmu is a weird curse with lasers gets the neut and web bonus and the phantasm is....a shield tanking harbinger? Giving the phantasm the range, or close, of a zealot with a tracking bonus and better shield tank would go along way for making it a useful ship.
Paridoth Trannyz Republic Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.26 13:02:00 - [3] yes sweet jesus please fix it. it is so god dam cool looking. and would be great in drake fleets if it wasnt so terribad as it is. imo a huge boost to base cap would be a start. a pg boost as well. as it is it super tight on grid and requires a cap inejector efectivly making it a 5 mid 3 low ship which sucks.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.11.26 14:26:00 - [4] bring back the old shield HP it had before the faction ships rebalancing and the phantasm is ok
Victor Dreadwolf	Posted - 2010.11.26 17:21:00 - [5] Phantasm only has 14 slots. Every other pirate cruiser has 15 slots. Give us our missing low!
Sean Arek Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.26 22:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Paridoth Edited by: Paridoth on 26/11/2010 13:17:24 yes sweet jesus please fix it. it is so god dam cool looking. and would be great in drake fleets if it wasnt so terribad as it is. imo a huge boost to base cap would be a start. a pg boost as well. as it is it super tight on grid and requires a cap injector efectivly making it a 5 mid 3 low ship which sucks. This pretty much sums it up; poor cap and low power grid make for a "terribad" combination effectively gimping this ship to a nice station spinner and nothing more.
Astald Ohtar The Moishe Co Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.11.27 00:06:00 - [7] Edited by: Astald Ohtar on 27/11/2010 00:07:33 1 more low slots will make it good ! Originally by: Sean Arek 1. Add some PG so it can fit a proper shield tank without mods and/or rigs. 2. Increase speed or 3. Boost cap or 4. Something else to make it a little sweeter, but 5. No need to make it OP. One PDS on that 4 low slots and its good =)
Hra Neuvosto The 8th Order BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.11.27 01:48:00 - [8] 25 drone bandwidth would be nice as well.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.11.27 11:19:00 - [9] Another turret hardpoint along with another low would be sweet. Still don't know if it'd be as good as the others (poor poor ashimmu would still be screwed if it got like 23425 more slots) with those changes, though.
Candente Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.27 16:51:00 - [10] Sorry for off-topic... is it true that the Nightmare will be nerfed in Incursion? ------------- rawr~

Kanatta Jing	Posted - 2010.11.27 17:38:00 - [11] If the Nightmare is nerfed any more then it is currently, they'll have to start seeding a BPO. Thus I doubt it.
Astald Ohtar The Moishe Co Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Candente Sorry for off-topic... is it true that the Nightmare will be nerfed in Incursion? an attempt to down its price a bit ?
Moroccan Tourist	Posted - 2010.11.29 15:08:00 - [13] just a handful of players trying to make this go through, we aint going anywhere , moar post please !
nihlanth Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.29 17:45:00 - [14] The phantasm needs a little improvement. Nothing drastic - maybe a bit more speed would do the trick.
Captain Alcatraz Muppet Ninja's	Posted - 2010.11.29 18:15:00 - [15] the phantasm nerf wasnt needed in the first place, especialy when they buff the other pirate ships brigning back the old hp is a must the you could - add a bit of pg so it can fit a rack of HPL w/o fitting mod - increase speed / agi - give it a 4th low slot
Sean Arek Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:51:00 - [16] Seriously - why did they nerf arguably the coolest looking ship in the game? Cynabal - vaga on steroids Vigilant - deimos of doom; death to anything in its sights Gila - An ishtar with missiles. Good pvp and even pve uses. Phantasm - no faster than a zealot. Less cap stable, less dps. Has a tiny drone bay that does not compensate. Sesame Street reasoning even highlights the issue ("One of these ships is not like the others . . .").
Reddx Panther	Posted - 2010.11.29 21:18:00 - [17] Yes, make Phantasm at more viable, I fiddled with the fittings a bit, but I don't see for what it would be useful. I'd say Zealot, even Cerberus outperform it under most circumstances. It's one of those things where you might come to the conclusion that because it has Caldari written on it they made it extra****ty.
bassie12's alt	Posted - 2010.11.29 21:52:00 - [18] Might be a nice chance to take a look at the sansha ships. Maybe use that other frigate model to make a interceptor like ship.
CHEERWlNE	Posted - 2010.11.29 22:20:00 - [19] Edited by: CHEERWlNE on 29/11/2010 22:20:41 Yes the Phantasm needs fixing, right now it sucks which is a shame because I love it, it's kind of ironic how it says in the description it has an awesome power grid too when in fact the pg is so tight it's nearly impossible to get a decent fit.
Astald Ohtar The Moishe Co Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.11.29 22:22:00 - [20] Old stats Armor hit points : 2406 Shield hit points : 3188 Capacity : 1500 Maximum targeting range : 55 km Radar sensor strength : 15 points Signature radius : 135 m Present stats Armor hit points : 2175 Shield hit points : 2434 Capacity : 1695 Maximum targeting range : 59 km Radar sensor strength : 20 points Signature radius : 130 m less armor less shield and gets a bit more cap , and they buffed almost all other faction ship

xxxak Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:49:00 - [21] Yes, please do this!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.12.15 19:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Victor Dreadwolf Phantasm only has 14 slots. Every other pirate cruiser has 15 slots. Give us our missing low! woah, I never noticed that. and still even with this missing low it used to be considered one of the best ships in the game. I think just adding the missing low would fix the ship for sure.
frsd Caldari Kleinrock Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.12.16 16:18:00 - [23] No love for ashimmu? IMO it's the worse pirate cruiser combining the worst parts of a Curse and Zealot failing to deliver.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.16 16:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 16/12/2010 16:24:59 Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 16/12/2010 16:24:23 Originally by: frsd No love for ashimmu? IMO it's the worse pirate cruiser combining the worst parts of a Curse and Zealot failing to deliver. I'd even be happy with replacing the "medium energy turret damage" with "energy turret damage" bonus That huge PG absolutely begs to be abused! Some extra drone space could be nice too .. or speed .. or .... a web range bonus or ...


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