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Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:35:00 -
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You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees? Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

pussnheels
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:39:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
What simplicity , GAWD why are people convinced that CCP is trying to dumb down the game , only thing they are trying to do is to make it more accesible for new players , it is STIL the SAME game as 4 years ago
and lets be honest , EVE isn't really that hard to learn , there is just so much to learn thatit sometimes overwhelms new players I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:43:00 -
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yep quality of life changes make the game easier for the bads. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:44:00 -
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I don't believe CCP is trying to dumb down the game they are just trying to lessen the initial learning curve that most people run into and run away from almost immediately.
There also fixing the crappy balance issues and hopefully a lot of the faulty designs we have had to live with for years. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:44:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
First, with a tin foil hat, I must say I hope they don't child it down. I love a scary game personally.
Second, refugees will look for promising games and if eve sparks their interest, then yes, they will get refugees.
Third, Why am I talking in numbers?
Fourth, ???
Fifth: Make it funner, easier to find people to play with, since the social aspect is so huge. I miss being in a non-tax evasion corp. :(
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veritas primus
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:45:00 -
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The thing killing Blizzard is a bunch of bean counters making game decisions that don't play games.
When Activision "merged" with Blizzard it was the beginning of the End for that company.
I would like to think CCP makes better decisions...true they changed a few things but if it was Blizzard buffing lets say .. Mining barges they would have just thrown in a flat shield/armor hitpoint buff and rolled on. CCP makes it interesting, always has.....always will.
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
292
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:46:00 -
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OP: "Yeah, if I've had to play a ****** game for 8 years, everyone else should too! CCP should never improve anything! /bittervet"
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
377
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:47:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I don't believe CCP is trying to dumb down the game they are just trying to lessen the initial learning curve that most people run into and run away from almost immediately.
There also fixing the crappy balance issues and hopefully a lot of the faulty designs we have had to live with for years.
While the first part is a goal, and not really a bad one. The second parts requires reworking the code. I'm sure there is some nasty stuff in there if you get down to it. Making it easier to make changes later on will make it faster to apply updates and add new things and edit/balance existing ones.
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Jess Maine
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
12
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:49:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "I'm unsubbing" thread. |

Pilna Vcelka
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:52:00 -
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I dont think WoW is losing subs to EVE. Its GW2 that both WoW and EVE will lose a big chunk of playerbase to.
Also, its good theyre making the game better for new players. Nobody cares about bitter vets really.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:55:00 -
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wow is just losing subs because it's such an old game that's going stale and offering nothing new or interesting. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:56:00 -
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This is by far the stupidest thread I've seen... today. I'll keep an eye on these forums and maybe something even dumber will come along. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
474
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:58:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I don't believe CCP is trying to dumb down the game they are just trying to lessen the initial learning curve that most people run into and run away from almost immediately.
There also fixing the crappy balance issues and hopefully a lot of the faulty designs we have had to live with for years. While the first part is a goal, and not really a bad one. The second parts requires reworking the code. I'm sure there is some nasty stuff in there if you get down to it. Making it easier to make changes later on will make it faster to apply updates and add new things and edit/balance existing ones. Yeah they have said some of there old code is a mess and that it would be less work to re-write it rather than try to fix the old code. Like the POS code. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
220
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:01:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
If CCP wanted millions of subs, all they had to do was remove non-consensual PvP. That's all it would take for EVE's population to jump up by an order of magnitude. See Ultima Online and Trammel. |

Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
283
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:03:00 -
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It takes a special kind of person to believe that interface improvements are dumbing down the game (and are meant to). An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |

Vel'drinn
EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing
17
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:03:00 -
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I appreciate devs changing things that remove pointless clicking or sub menus. Plenty more optimization left to go but they're moving in the right direction.
Go CCP  |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:03:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
Troll, pure and simple. You want fries with that? |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:09:00 -
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hurr hurr stoopid kidz tooturial mekin me luk less herd cere. y so fael wow players, u mad u mad UMAD??? |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:11:00 -
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I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
In case you don't know me, which you probably don't, and thus cannot infer implied meaning from my text: This is obvious sarcasm. @CCP_PrismX EVE Database Developer and Expert Ranter |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:13:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees? If CCP wanted millions of subs, all they had to do was remove non-consensual PvP. That's all it would take for EVE's population to jump up by an order of magnitude. See Ultima Online and Trammel.
Yes it's puzzling that CCP don't want EVE to emulate the runaway success story that is UO. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Metal Icarus
A.M. Rebellion
245
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:17:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
In case you don't know me, which you probably don't, and thus cannot infer implied meaning from my text: This is obvious sarcasm.
You guys need a new forum font:
Sarcastica |

El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
46
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:18:00 -
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You also realize even though they lost a million subs, that Diablo sales were up? They even said, we believe most players that left WoW came to Diablo 3.... Plus this loss was recent, and wouldnt even have time to effect CCP policy.... |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
654
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:20:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
In case you don't know me, which you probably don't, and thus cannot infer implied meaning from my text: This is obvious sarcasm.
While you don't look at that, which is most welcome btw could you also don't look at BPO lock down management? I once locked 250 blueprints down then had to move. Manually unlocking all Blueprints one by one having some fail to unlock for days was the highlight of my EVE career.  Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
220
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees? If CCP wanted millions of subs, all they had to do was remove non-consensual PvP. That's all it would take for EVE's population to jump up by an order of magnitude. See Ultima Online and Trammel. Yes it's puzzling that CCP don't want EVE to emulate the runaway success story that is UO.
Whatcha talkin' 'bout?
Back when UO came out, it was doing great. Keep in mind, this was late 90s, aside from first world countries Internet penetration was almost nonexistent, and even amongst first world countries, in many people did not have internet at home yet. There was also precious little competition for UO, which was another plus.
But because of its PvP mechanics (FFA, full loot, stealing), the game wasn't going so well. It was basically stagnating. In a few years they finally worked out why, and introduced Trammel (PvE copy of the game world), and the population started to go up. By 2003, it had over 250k subs. Of course in 2004 WoW came out and we all know how that went. But for 2003, UO subscription numbers weren't bad. EVE had what, 50k-75k that year? And only now, 9 years later, reaching 450k?
I don't know, relatively speaking I would rank UO as a much bigger success than EVE.
Seriously, if someone is going to cry wolf that EVE is being dumbed down to get more players in, there's only one thing you need to worry about - removal of non-consensual PvP. Beyond that, there's absolutely nothing CCP can do to lure people in here and make them stay. Well, there is one thing, namely boobs, but that attracts a questionable crowd you might not enjoy once you got them, not to mention the things it would do to the game's reputation after the gaming media was done with the story. So for all intents and purposes, PvP is the only thing. |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
733

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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:44:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Whatcha talkin' 'bout? You're forgetting the important part where EQ came along and was much better at being what UO tried to be with the schism.
UO did enjoy a net growth after the schism. Primarly due to an influx of what we now call carebears. UO lost that growth once EQ hit the shelves. UO had already lost a lot of their veteran followers due to the schism. UO died as a result of changing its design paradigm and thus attempting to compete with other games on their home turf. Of course EQ wasn't when the schism happened so you cannot really blame anybody.
But I believe that's what Malcanis is referring to. @CCP_PrismX EVE Database Developer and Expert Ranter |
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DeadDuck
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
21
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:04:00 -
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EVE will only start to loose significant chunks of subscribers when their competion manages to lauch a MMORPG based on Internet Spaceships. As far as I know there isn't a single game under development that resembles EVE.
Thats why when CCP started to go to WiS there was a riot. Eve subscribers don't care about dungeons, pvp RP monsters, warriors, magicians, or fancy outfits. The main bulk doesnt care about you avatar apearence but they care about how the Machariel looks. They want Internet spaceships.
Games like GW2, Diablo 3, will catch a lot of subscribers from the adventure MMORPG like WoW, but EVE is unique at the moment, so will take a lot of effort to CCP to destroy the game if they continue to offer their member base Internet Spaceships.
They started to go on the worng direction with WiS but they saw the error in time and even more important, they managed to recover from the error very very well with the new expansions. |

Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:14:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
Your point would be a good one if you weren't using it as a forum for: (1) Stale old WoW bashing that nobody cares about anymore; and (2) tasteless metaphor. |

Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:14:00 -
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Why can't everyone see that they are just making the game easier to get into , from what i've seen the only thing they have changed is to make certain information easier to access. The mechanics are all still there. People whining because you don't need to whip out a calculator anymore to see what optimal your missiles have is silly.
Also , ccp has stated several time they expect an influx of player from dust 514 release , which, i suspect is why they have done these changes. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8963
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:19:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Whatcha talkin' 'bout? You're forgetting the important part where EQ came along and was much better at being what UO tried to be with the schism. UO did enjoy a net growth after the schism. Primarly due to an influx of what we now call carebears. UO lost that growth once EQ hit the shelves. UO had already lost a lot of their veteran followers due to the schism. UO died as a result of changing its design paradigm and thus attempting to compete with other games on their home turf. Of course EQ wasn't when the schism happened so you cannot really blame anybody. But I believe that's what Malcanis is referring to. GǪand as for the initial success of UO, let's remember that they were taking this new-fangled and fast-growing concept of online gaming and applying it to a 16 year old, very popular IP, and that at the time, the only alternative (if you could call it that) was The Realm, from that other evil competing firm in the adventure/rpg genre: Sierra.
No true Origin gamer would sully their hands with that.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:28:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Whatcha talkin' 'bout? You're forgetting the important part where EQ came along and was much better at being what UO tried to be with the schism. UO did enjoy a net growth after the schism. Primarly due to an influx of what we now call carebears. UO lost that growth once EQ hit the shelves. UO had already lost a lot of their veteran followers due to the schism. UO died as a result of changing its design paradigm and thus attempting to compete with other games on their home turf. Of course EQ wasn't when the schism happened so you cannot really blame anybody. But I believe that's what Malcanis is referring to.
GIVE PRISM X ALL THE LIKES Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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