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Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.11.27 20:21:00 - [31] Originally by: BlackBlades P.S. It would be nice if a dev responded with insurances to the community that this is not a change of principle, the game is not going through a slow simplification, and that complexity will continue to be a focus of the team. Are you really that dumb? Simplification increases playerbase which increases revenue. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. The few bitter vets who quit are irrelevant in comparison to the hordes of new players a simpler game will bring in.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.11.27 20:39:00 - [32] Learning skills and faction ship contracts aren't complex, they're just obtuse and annoying, especially to newer players. These comments remind me of the people that say Everquest was hardcore and complex because you had to sit at a camp for 20 hours straight in shifts to get a chance at a drop. Eve is still complex. Wormholes are much more complex PVE than missions, and PI is much more complex than mining. Invention and T3 production is much more complex than T1 production. The game is getting more and more complex, and that's a good thing imo.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.27 21:05:00 - [33] I'll post it again here. In the days of old there was a choice to train learning, or to not train learning. You would get them to say 3 or 4 and then stop (most of these came per learned with your race). Some players would then spend 4/5 months for a long term advantage/payoff, while other players would go for just getting useful short term skills. And so the long term investment players would start with about 1200 sp/hour training time and slowly ramp up to 2100sp/hr (about) Then one day they changed the way training worked, giving players X2 training speed for the 1st 1.6 million sp. This shortened the 5 month learning path down to... 1.5 months. Much faster than half like you might think with double training speed. But then you think about the math... implants like +5 have double the effect. Meaning a +5 give you +10 effectively increasing your sp/hour Now let me ask you a truth or flase question. With the new change each point of learning takes half the time to train. FALSE The 1st level takes half the time. But it gives you 2 points instead of one because of the double training time. So level 2 takes even less than half the time. Which gives you 2 more points. And so on. Meaning that 5 months to increase your SP/hour becomes 1.5 months! even shorts with those +10 implants, more like 5/6 weeks total. Now that's 3.5 months of effective sp being trained over the old system at the rate it would take 5 months to get to. So WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PLAYERS THAT DON'T TRAIN LEARNING SKILLS IN THE 1ST 1.6 million sp??????? They are ****ED ROYALLY. In the old system it was a choice, because training early took you just as long as training them later more or less. But by making learning skills train 6 times faster if you do them early, it STOPS BECOMING A CHOICE.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.11.27 21:52:00 - [34] this is the same game that is adding ambulation :p won't be long before they let you add animal parts to your avatar. expect more dumbing down, and furries, lots of furries.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.27 22:33:00 - [35] The game is very complex without the game getting in the way of itself. Even if you start training NON-learning skills on day 1, it will still take you a long time to max anything out, but you might have more fun early on. As faction ships not being on the market, that was always silly. If it ain't illegal, why can't you sell it on the market. All this does is potential limit the isk revenue of scamming ho bags. =============================== \|\| Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. \|\| ===============================
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.27 22:36:00 - [36] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto won't be long before they let you add animal parts to your avatar NEKOMIMI! - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Sporked	Posted - 2010.11.27 22:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto won't be long before they let you add animal parts to your avatar NEKOMIMI! Please don't say you are going to make yourself into a Suiseiseki-alike come Incarna
SC13NC3	Posted - 2010.11.27 23:14:00 - [38] Originally by: BlackBlades I have not been around long, so please excuse me if IÆm off base. S'OK BRO. YOU'RE EXCUSED!
Rhes Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.28 00:16:00 - [39] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto this is the same game that is adding ambulation :p won't be long before they let you add animal parts to your avatar. expect more dumbing down, and furries, lots of furries. Furries are a plague and they ruin everything they touch. Ban furries!
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.11.28 00:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Skillgrinding is not 'complexity' or 'depth'.
Lord Helghast	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:06:00 - [41] its not simplification its fixing something that was stupid, the boost of attribs will reduce learning times across the board... thats what learning skills did learning skills were just additional grind and a time waste for players... and the biggest reason was stupidity... YOU CANT LEARN ABOUT LEARNING FASTER!
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Ash Donai Simplification increases playerbase which increases revenue. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. The few bitter vets who quit are irrelevant in comparison to the hordes of new players a simpler game will bring in. You shouldn't really call it simplification because that suggests that learning skills added 'complexity'. What they actually did was make new players go 'it's going to cost me 15 dollars and at least a month before I can even start to do things? I'll go pound nails through my **** instead.'
Master Flakattack	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Tres Farmer What's complex in choosing 'the most bang for the buck' I would think very little, yet everyone insists that 1 month of learning skills is mandatory, so apparently there is some complexity there. Yup, it's a complex choice to make: do it and get increased training speed, or don't do it and get left behind. Real hard choice. Assuming you are really damn hungry that day, it's sort of like getting one burger for $3 or two for $3.25; there is nothing complex about that choice.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Master Flakattack left behind It's for moments like this I made these. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Evelgrivion Ignatium.	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:02:00 - [45] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/11/2010 02:03:49 Learning skills are a prime example of Fake Difficulty. Fake difficulty saps the fun out of the game by creating a barrier to progress in the form of withholding critical information or wasting the player's time; in Eve, this exists on top of the abundant content that already requires a guide book just to learn properly.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Evelgrivion a barrier to progress Learing skills made you progress faster. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Evelgrivion a barrier to progress Learing skills made you progress faster. Not while you are training them.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Gallians Not while you are training them. No skills do anything while you train them. Shall we remove them all? - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Evelgrivion a barrier to progress Learing skills made you progress faster. àonce you were past the barrier. Incidentallyà Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Master Flakattack left behind It's for moments like this I made these. àthat's also why they made little to no sense. A huge part of the argument for keeping them is based on the "I got them to skill better than those who didn't get them" line of thinking, which falls into the exact same trap. If there is no race, and just a matter of getting the training over with a bit faster, the best solution would be to make everyone train a bit faster. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gallians Not while you are training them. No skills do anything while you train them. Shall we remove them all? Nah, just the ones that do nothing in themselves and work only as a speed bump about.. say 5 months long to actually playing the game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Gallians Nah, just the ones that do nothing in themselves and work only as a speed bump about.. say 5 months long to actually playing the game. There is nothing about this that isn't wrong. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gallians Nah, just the ones that do nothing in themselves and work only as a speed bump about.. say 5 months long to actually playing the game. There is nothing about this that isn't wrong. Thats just like, your opinion man. It would seem that most of the playerbase, CCP, and reality would disagree with it. But hey!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gallians Nah, just the ones that do nothing in themselves and work only as a speed bump about.. say 5 months long to actually playing the game. There is nothing about this that isn't wrong. your right there isn't. the problem is it doesn't take 5 months if you do it in your 1st 1.6 million skill points. it takes 1.5 months. and then if you didn't train them at 1st, it will take 5 months down the line.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Gallians I'm right and you're wrong. I've seen this somewhere before. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gallians I'm right and you're wrong. No, you. Seems familiar, doesn't it? Still like the sigs.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:18:00 - [56] Originally by: Gallians Still like the sigs. <3 - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:20:00 - [57] Crumplecorn, for a person who's claimed indifference to learning skills removal, you sure do make a lot of posts in favor of the opposition. Just Saiyan.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gallians Not while you are training them. No skills do anything while you train them. Shall we remove them all? ur dum
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:25:00 - [59] Originally by: MotherMoon the problem is it doesn't take 5 months if you do it in your 1st 1.6 million skill points. it takes 1.5 months. and then if you didn't train them at 1st, it will take 5 months down the line. Then I would suggest that, since the learning skills were there first, that the initial training bonus is a poorly designed addition. Originally by: Black Dranzer Crumplecorn, for a person who's claimed indifference to learning skills removal, you sure do make a lot of posts in favor of the opposition. Just Saiyan. I am fairly indifferent to their removal. But have you seen how many threads aren't about the learning skills? Not many. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:25:00 - [60] You could always make a thread thats not about them!

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