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Claudia Heti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:07:00 -
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I am here to ask what everyone thinks about corps who war dec a mining/indy corp/alliance to stop them from doing their normal activities like mining, misisoning, ratting ect. and also so they can get a few easy kills in between. Also for allot of new players it can be somewhat scary for them as they will just sit in the station all day because they are too scared to undock incase they get blown up. Not only new players are affected, people who have just skilled in the indy side of things won't exactly be up for undocking to get blown up either cause they may not have the skills to fight back or just not have experience to fight the attackers. This is not a fun way to play the game.
Now I know it's not just us it is happening to, it is happening to many many other corps/alliances and to be honest it is really really annoying allot of us.
I know there may be allot of people against me on this but this has to stop, it has gone too far now. This ontop of hulkageddon is making miners angry and frustrated. Personally for me the game is no longer fun, I know many people who feels the same way and it is all because of these idiots who think it is fun to grief us and other miners alike.
Now what is your opinion and what can we do about it?
PS. dropping out of corp/alliance is out of question.
Yes this is an alt. |

Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:07:00 -
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Working as intended. FIght back or hire mercs. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:08:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:I am here to ask what everyone thinks about corps who war dec a mining/indy corp/alliance to stop them from doing their normal activities like mining, misisoning, ratting ect. and also so they can get a few easy kills in between. You asked, so...
I like them! 
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Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
194
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:09:00 -
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sorry mate but this is eve
hire mercs or disband your corp
its part of eve |

Togg Bott
One Clone Gang
39
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:10:00 -
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economic warfare is a viable tactic... EvE is working as intended. learn to fight them off.. or hire mercs to do it for you. |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
468
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:12:00 -
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Don't you now have the option to bring allies into a war if you are incapable or refuse to do anything about it yourself? Post with your monkey. |

Quaaid
EVE Pilot Help Center
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:12:00 -
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First: a lot
Second: Mining and Industrial play needs risk to be at all a worthwhile endeavor. This is a game, not a job. Think of the easy PVE content as a spoil of war for those willing to fight for the privledge. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:16:00 -
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What's an GÇ£allotGÇ¥?
Other than that, working as intended. There are a number of mechanics and strategies in place to deal with it. If you don't want to deal with wardecs, then don't have a corp. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:18:00 -
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OP, please post on your main so I can help you. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:18:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:Now what is your opinion and what can we do about it? . It's almost working as intended. (wars are still not right and need a total overhaul)
Hire mercs.
Edit: Oh and it's not griefing. 
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:18:00 -
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Stay in NPC corps, create a private channel for your corpies to talk in. Indy guys probably won't notice 11% tax anyways... |

Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:21:00 -
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Non-consensual PvP is the essence of EVE. deal with it, or I will find you, and slaughter your corpmates,,,in my rookie ship because thats all I fly ofc. |

Claudia Heti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:21:00 -
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Thanks for the replys so far, keep 'em coming. |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:21:00 -
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Well sense it is happening to allot of you then ban together and help each other out. That is the whole reason behind the new system, to be able to call in help. And it doesn't have to be merc's
I suggest you do so.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
266
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:21:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Working as intended. FIght back or hire mercs.
This.
The fighting back part works surprisingly well at times. Don't fight in anything pricey though. Encourage you corp mates to team get into cheap and expendable t1 frigates. They're even better now with the recent buffs. So basically even if you die in a fire the only thing you're really in danger of is actually having fun. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
602
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:22:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote: Now what is your opinion and what can we do about it?
Grow a pair or hire mercs. The ally system was built for players like you. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10002
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:22:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Well sense it is happening to allot of you then ban together and help each other out. That is the whole reason behind the new system, to be able to call in help. And it doesn't have to be merc's
I suggest you do so.
I see what you did there.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
234
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:22:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:I am here to ask what everyone thinks about corps who war dec a mining/indy corp/alliance to stop them from doing their normal activities like mining, misisoning, ratting ect. and also so they can get a few easy kills in between. Also for allot of new players it can be somewhat scary for them as they will just sit in the station all day because they are too scared to undock incase they get blown up. Not only new players are affected, people who have just skilled in the indy side of things won't exactly be up for undocking to get blown up either cause they may not have the skills to fight back or just not have experience to fight the attackers. This is not a fun way to play the game.
Now I know it's not just us it is happening to, it is happening to many many other corps/alliances and to be honest it is really really annoying allot of us.
I know there may be allot of people against me on this but this has to stop, it has gone too far now. This ontop of hulkageddon is making miners angry and frustrated. Personally for me the game is no longer fun, I know many people who feels the same way and it is all because of these idiots who think it is fun to grief us and other miners alike.
Now what is your opinion and what can we do about it?
PS. dropping out of corp/alliance is out of question.
Yes this is an alt.
My opinion on it? It's perfectly acceptable, we don't need to do anything about it.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say anyone who suggests we have to do anything about it doesn't understand the effing game and should stick to hello kitty online. EVE is PVP. Deal with it. As long as those mission runners and miners are capable of influencing the economy (which they do to huge effect, currently) then they are fair game, since their actions affect a lot of other players.
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smokess
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:25:00 -
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A corporation/alliance is a wonderful social tool. This game however, unlike others, imposes certain disadvantages when making use of its social organisation mechanics.
One of those is war declarations.
Live with it, or drop corp. End. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:25:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:I am here to ask what everyone thinks about corps who war dec a mining/indy corp/alliance to stop them from doing their normal activities like mining, misisoning, ratting ect. and also so they can get a few easy kills in between. Also for allot of new players it can be somewhat scary for them as they will just sit in the station all day because they are too scared to undock incase they get blown up. Not only new players are affected, people who have just skilled in the indy side of things won't exactly be up for undocking to get blown up either cause they may not have the skills to fight back or just not have experience to fight the attackers. This is not a fun way to play the game.
Now I know it's not just us it is happening to, it is happening to many many other corps/alliances and to be honest it is really really annoying allot of us.
I know there may be allot of people against me on this but this has to stop, it has gone too far now. This ontop of hulkageddon is making miners angry and frustrated. Personally for me the game is no longer fun, I know many people who feels the same way and it is all because of these idiots who think it is fun to grief us and other miners alike.
Now what is your opinion and what can we do about it?
PS. dropping out of corp/alliance is out of question.
Yes this is an alt.
Please tell me this is a poor attempt at trolling.
If not, wel,l may your god have mercy on you, because Eve pilots won't. You want fries with that? |

Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:27:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:I am here to ask what everyone thinks about corps who war dec a mining/indy corp/alliance to stop them from doing their normal activities like mining, misisoning, ratting ect. and also so they can get a few easy kills in between.
A "industry" corp that is unable to defend itself is fail in a pvp game. U know this is a PVP game, right? Maybe u don't want to take part in pvp but others will for sure. If i would be in your shoes i would think about how to defend my corp, with mercs or with combatskills for example. If u jump into the sea with a wound, well knowing that there are many sharks around... u dont blame the shark if u get bitten. You blame the idiot who went swimming.
Claudia Heti wrote:Also for allot of new players it can be somewhat scary for them as they will just sit in the station all day because they are too scared to undock incase they get blown up. Not only new players are affected, people who have just skilled in the indy side of things won't exactly be up for undocking to get blown up either cause they may not have the skills to fight back or just not have experience to fight the attackers. This is not a fun way to play the game.
Again, "all" players have the same problems that u experience now. Why should ccp make a change for you if others dont have problems with that? Train your newbies, tell them that this is not a sologame and that this is not 100% about industry. You have to defend yourself or your mates sooner or later. Better learn that quick.
Claudia Heti wrote:Now I know it's not just us it is happening to, it is happening to many many other corps/alliances and to be honest it is really really annoying allot of us.
Then u should look for another game?
Claudia Heti wrote:I know there may be allot of people against me on this but this has to stop, it has gone too far now. This ontop of hulkageddon is making miners angry and frustrated. Personally for me the game is no longer fun, I know many people who feels the same way and it is all because of these idiots who think it is fun to grief us and other miners alike.
The only problem i see here is that u think wrong about this game and that u suddenly realized that this is not "hello kitty online".
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Claudia Heti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:32:00 -
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I should probably state this is based on a personal problem but not all the scenarios apply to us, like the sitting docked up, we are fully willing to stand up for ourselfs. What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP, we enjoy doing other things but can't do it if we are war deced. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8963
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:35:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP Actually, you pretty much should. It's one of the cornerstones of the game. If you want to do those other things, you have to take the necessary steps to secure your playground, because no matter what, PvP is everywhere and combat will always be a possibility whether you personally want to engage in it or not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
604
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:35:00 -
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Nobody is forcing you to pvp. You have many options available and you are intentionally marking them as invalid to make your situation seem more dire than it really is. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:37:00 -
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Don't listen to any of them. They all just want to help their fellow PVP neanderthal buddies get kills.
1) Just don't play, or play on alts. They'll get bored and frustrated. Tough for them.
2) Warp stabs. Sacrifice a little performance for some good old fashioned warp stabalizers, especially on blockade runners and the like!
3) If you need things moved, hire Red Frog Freight or other trusted moving services.
4) Do NOT trust mercs. They can just take your money and run or help the other guys. No predictability with pvp-tards.
5) If mining, ensure you are 32km+ away from the belt warp in zone and always alligned somewhere, gate or otherwise. Dock, jump in pods, move 4 systems away, and do something else. Done. Deny them any pleasure :) If they can try to force you from enjoying PvE, you can try to force them to be unable to PvP.
6) Get in a pod and fly a few systems away, buy another ship, and continue in your life. Simply treat the little worms like the street rats they are, a minor annoyance at BEST. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
604
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:41:00 -
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Anslo wrote: 5) Get in a pod and fly a few systems away, buy another ship, and continue in your life. Simply treat the little worms like the street rats they are, a minor annoyance at BEST.
Yeah that will delay me for all of 2 minutes. There is no where you can go where somebody like me can't find you. As long as you're online I will track you. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:43:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Anslo wrote: 5) Get in a pod and fly a few systems away, buy another ship, and continue in your life. Simply treat the little worms like the street rats they are, a minor annoyance at BEST.
Yeah that will delay me for all of 2 minutes. There is no where you can go where somebody like me can't find you. As long as you're online I will track you.
Fine. There's plenty of other ways I can deal with you. But just to annoy you further I could just keep flying away or jump clone~, I don't care :) If you're willing to fly 45+ jumps just to try to maybe get a kill well...you got some issues ;) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8963
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Don't listen to any of them. Why not? Unlike your advice, what others have said might actually workGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Anslo wrote:Don't listen to any of them. Why not? Unlike your advice, what others have said might actually workGǪ 
My ways work just as well as "fighting back" or hiring mercs. If they aren't pvp centered, then they won't fight effectively and just end up on a KB. Maybe they can't afford mercs, and if they can there's no guarantee they'll keep their end of the bargain. And disbanding a corp is just shameful, it makes the griefers win.
My methods allow them to continue playing while avoiding the griefers relatively easy, while your "methods" just seem like passe pro-pvp solutions to get them killed or shamed faster. |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
440
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:50:00 -
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Claudia Heti wrote:I should probably state this is based on a personal problem but not all the scenarios apply to us, like the sitting docked up, we are fully willing to stand up for ourselfs. What I am trying to say is we shouldn't be forced to PvP, we enjoy doing other things but can't do it if we are war deced.
Change locations, set the people who war dec'd you on a watch list so you know when they log on. There are multiple ways to deal with war dec's that are within the rules, and you don't have to fight if you don't want too.
BUT
This is a PvP game so you are forced to interact with other players. If that means setting up jump clones a jumping to another region of space when you get war dec'd then that is your call. Get creative but this is an online game EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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