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Madlynn Martigan
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Posted - 2010.11.29 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Madlynn Martigan on 29/11/2010 04:36:52
I know this is going to make most people who read this scratch their heads in disbelief . . . but one of things I used to have fun doing in EVE was Courier Missions.
Mass Courier Missions . . .
I just came back from a little break so I don't know how long ago CCP changed up Courier Missions (again! grrr) but one of the things I enjoyed doing was multiple, long range, small cargo Courier Missions. I'd scout out a system that had a fair amount of Level 1 Courier type Agents in it . . . fit out a cruiser for a balance of speed, cargo, and low sec gate running . . . grab as many Level 1 missions as I could accept and head out for a Courier Mission expedition. Ideally, I'd head out with 8 missions loaded and an optimized route. With luck I'd be able to pick up new Courier Missions at my destination stations and would try to keep the run going for as many (play) days as I could . . . optimizing routes, juggling cargoes, and surviving low sec gate and station camps.
Now, I resub and find all the Courier Missions I'm offered are 1 or 2 jumps away and the cargo sizes are just nuts. Even worse, the missions offered by a specific agent seem to always go to the same exact station . . . so if that destination station doesn't have an available courier agent the expedition ends very quickly. That Courier Runner feel is gone, replaced by the feeling of just being a 2 jump PvE hauler (yawn).
I don't know why CCP changed the focus of Courier missions. I've adapted my ship/fits for the new short range / large cargo mission focus. But, why remove the old long range / small cargo offerings? Isn't there room in EVE for both types of Courier missions?
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CycoChick
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:55:00 -
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CCP really doesnt want you to do them missions, They want you to fly around 0.0 or **** over small corps or gank new players in empire and **** them off tell they quiet.
SO GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
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Nicky's Tomb
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Posted - 2010.11.29 12:20:00 -
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I got caught out by with this too.
My indy alt was happily running courier missions to gain standings with the likes of Douvile and Roden in an Atron speed tanked and cloaky for low sec rapid penetrataion and retreat.
Now after I've been away 8 months when I try this I get mostly cargo of 300m3->5000m3 doing level 2 couriers, so I have to keep going back and getting the Interon 4.... which I am not willing to take into low sec for a few thousand credits for the mission.
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VIP Ares
Minmatar
BALKAN EXPRESS
B A L E X
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Posted - 2010.12.03 07:39:00 -
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Because 99% of courier level 1 missions are bot frigates running around 24/7 ?
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Madlynn Martigan
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Posted - 2010.12.03 08:50:00 -
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Well, CCP went a little overboard in their attempt to thwart those no-good botters (w/out any actual affect on them I would think).
Before you'd get a small size cargo to a random destination station. You'd often get missions that sent you 8 or more jumps away so there was always the risk of low sec routes even if you were in a largely green zone area.
Now, you get large size cargo and the destinations a specific agent sends you to seems to be chosen randomly from no more than 2 or 3 destinations . . . and they're always 3 jumps or less away. That seems to be a boon to these so-called botters. The cargo sizes aren't really a problem once you make the adjustment for it. You can get a destroyer in the 800 m3 range, a cruiser into 1000's, and you've still got indys and trnasports for the truly insane size cargoes (which are now Level 2 missions . . . 1000+ m3 for 10,000 isk and 10 LP lol).
Switch the random distribution of destinations back to how it was before . . . cut cargo sizes in half (at least), payouts and LP in half . . . and let me get back to my low sec Courier Expeditions while I wait for 10d trains to tick off, please
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Madlynn Martigan
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Posted - 2010.12.03 09:05:00 -
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I just popped on over to my Courier system . . .
Picked up 6 lvl 1 and 2 courier missions . . . 5 of them are to the same exact station 2 jumps away.
How is that bad for botters?
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Obsession Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.12.03 11:44:00 -
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All courier missions above level 1 -> lowsec. Botter paradise... I mean... Pirate paradise.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.03 15:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Obsession Paranoia
All courier missions above level 1 -> lowsec. Botter paradise... I mean... Pirate paradise.
Yea, you can never have too many crates of security tapes. I miss the good old days myself. It was nice to be able to run several missions in low sec at one time. Now it's one mission at a time in my blockade runner. Way too much flying for too little return.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.03 16:04:00 -
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Honestly the change came because Gal mission agents suck so much that CCP noticed that more missions were being run for Gal faction than any other.
And rather than reaching the obvious conclusion (Gal needed more HQ Combat agents) they instead decided that Gal Courier missions were OP and as such screwed us again.
I mean I really wonder sometimes why they even created the Gal race since they seem to hate it so much. We get the short end on our primary weapon system we get crappy agents with mostly crappy lp options we get cast as the bad guys in the fiction and in the Tyranis trailer when they ask about ruling tyranically it's Gal ships they switch to (after showing Caldari ships for the benevolent clip)
Further the last time they added agents to supposedly spread mission runners around they added double the number of caldari agents (even though the problem was all the people concentrated in Caldari space)
The whole load balancing nonsense was yet another misguided bit of bull**** which pretty much destroyed my one mission hub because it had a single isolated low sec system adjacent to it so 50% of the missions I'd draw were trying to send me there.
Lets look at the number of high sec level 4 combat agents by faction
Minmatar 18
Gal 26
Amarr 34
Caldari 78!!!
There are as many high sec L4 combat agents for Caldari as there are for all the other factions combined.
And they wonder why most of the population resides in Caldari space?
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 06/12/2010 19:38:04
As an aside, Obsession Paranoia has a solid point about bots in low sec. There are epic stories of those times such as a smartbombing mothership killing something like 700 industrials in Ingunn without moving an inch. And there were billions of units of trit to move out of low sec. I recall selling 1000 units of quafe ultra at a time.
Thinking about it, I imagine this was why courier missions got nerfed so badly. The low sec areas where hundreds of macros used to roam are now desolate, but macro free.
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De Kaffe
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Posted - 2010.12.08 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
Edited by: Tasko Pal on 06/12/2010 19:38:04
As an aside, Obsession Paranoia has a solid point about bots in low sec. There are epic stories of those times such as a smartbombing mothership killing something like 700 industrials in Ingunn without moving an inch. And there were billions of units of trit to move out of low sec. I recall selling 1000 units of quafe ultra at a time.
Thinking about it, I imagine this was why courier missions got nerfed so badly. The low sec areas where hundreds of macros used to roam are now desolate, but macro free.
That's just great. So now where are we supposed to go to if we want to smart bomb industrials?
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.08 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: De Kaffe
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Edited by: Tasko Pal on 06/12/2010 19:38:04
As an aside, Obsession Paranoia has a solid point about bots in low sec. There are epic stories of those times such as a smartbombing mothership killing something like 700 industrials in Ingunn without moving an inch. And there were billions of units of trit to move out of low sec. I recall selling 1000 units of quafe ultra at a time.
Thinking about it, I imagine this was why courier missions got nerfed so badly. The low sec areas where hundreds of macros used to roam are now desolate, but macro free.
That's just great. So now where are we supposed to go to if we want to smart bomb industrials?
Jita 4/4. Do I have to do all your thinking for you? 
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DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 03/12/2010 16:54:07
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I mean I really wonder sometimes why they even created the Gal race since they seem to hate it so much. We get the short end on our primary weapon system we get crappy agents with mostly crappy lp options we get cast as the bad guys in the fiction and in the Tyranis trailer when they ask about ruling tyranically it's Gal ships they switch to (after showing Caldari ships for the benevolent clip)
Uh.. because Gal uses drones that make server hamsters hiccup?
It's always the Caldari screwing over Gallente.
That's why I crosstrained to Amarr. EM on the ***, Caldari scum!
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Kaya Divine
Gallente
Kittens Factory
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Posted - 2010.12.09 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: CycoChick
CCP really doesnt want you to do them missions, They want you to fly around 0.0 or **** over small corps or gank new players in empire and **** them off tell they quiet.
SO GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
This is sadly true.
ALL CCP developers have characters ONLY in 0.0 corporations, they couldn't care less about other things.
Sadly for them, they cant just change (nerf) everything in one expansion, because they would lose 70% of player base, which means profit would be reduced to about 3m euros per year..which is great reduction from current profit.
So they, little by little are spoiling anything that is connected with stuff in high sec, because for them EvE is all about being ganked by players with 100m+ SP. And for them that is all fun players could have in EvE. I will not say that they are stupid. I will say that they are mentally unable to comprehend idea, that for others who are not like them EvE is so much more.
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LifeHatesMe
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 03/12/2010 16:54:07[...]Lets look at the number of high sec level 4 combat agents by faction
Minmatar 18
Gal 26
Amarr 34
Caldari 78!!!
Ouch, I wonder if they ever plan on fixing this?
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Aureus
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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aureus on 09/12/2010 20:10:37
Originally by: LifeHatesMe
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 03/12/2010 16:54:07[...]Lets look at the number of high sec level 4 combat agents by faction
Minmatar 18
Gal 26
Amarr 34
Caldari 78!!!
Ouch, I wonder if they ever plan on fixing this?
Yeah WTF - why such an imbalance?
And I think the R&D agents for Gal are the worst too, no? You need to work up standings in so many corps to get access to good Gal agents
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