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Telemachus Maximus	Posted - 2005.01.12 20:44:00 - [1] ok im wondering wats the best assult frig between caldari, gallente and amar in damage and defenses? Im thinking between Enyo and Harpy but PLEASE need some advice for a PVP dmaage assult frig, thanks
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.01.12 20:47:00 - [2] Well, for PVP, I would have to say the Enyo, but I personally fly a Retribution, with a webber in the mid slot, this thing can put the hurtin' on people. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.12 20:59:00 - [3] Enyo and harpy rules B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.12 21:51:00 - [4] I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes. -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.12 21:52:00 - [5] But a harpy with ~150 mil in named stuff will own a enyo. -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.01.12 22:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 12/01/2005 22:33:18 enyo with tech2 gear on is a beast of a ship with half decent skills. Offers a little bit more flexibility than a retribution imo as it has 2 mids. Tracking + range bonus makes it great for rails and it tanks well too (which is surprising for a gall ship) Forums: Sharks - MC
Drogon	Posted - 2005.01.12 23:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Hamatitio I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes. yep i watched the whole thing it was amazing seeing 15 drones circling around that enyo until the butix got into range with it's blasters was awesome. /me starts training gallente frig 5 Director, Divine Retribution
Ocularis	Posted - 2005.01.12 23:34:00 - [8] I like my Retribution for the armor tank side.. did almost faint when my shields went down in 1 shot from a rat though... but the energized armor hardners and a tech 2 armor repair kept me laughing - and the firepower aint bad either. I actually really like my Vengance... its got good shields that you can tank for em/thermal with the slots you have available, and if the shield tank breaks, you can have an armor tank too....Also has a launcher which you can fit with defenders or such like so its a good little ship... i love it... well i love them both!
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.01.13 10:02:00 - [9] I only have experience with Gallente assaults, but the Enyo is a lovely ship. Does excellent damage, tanks well. I hunt battleships in 0.0 with my t2 setup. No pvp experience with it yet, but it should be good. Vulnerable to some things of course (EW mainly) and slow, but no ship is perfect. Fly it like a mini-cruiser, not like an interceptor, and you should be golden.
ubikar	Posted - 2005.01.13 10:12:00 - [10] Enyo is a wonderful ship, able to deal much damage and to tank insanely. Harpy is better for sniping if I'm right.
Cuebick	Posted - 2005.01.13 10:42:00 - [11] I was playing around in my Harpy against a Retribution a mate of mine had, I couldn't do **** to him and he just pwnd me I've never used the Harpy again, but I might try it again soon ____________________________________
Custodian	Posted - 2005.01.13 11:15:00 - [12] The retribution has a great tank. Testing against other assults in corp i found i can match any other assult........apart from the enyo. Its just has that little bit extra, and kicks my ass every time. But i would still go with my retro, being able to run 2 small Tech II amour rep is just crazy!
MrRookie	Posted - 2005.01.13 12:11:00 - [13] A corp m8 of mine has an Enyo and I have a Retribution. Tbh none of the other Assaults makes me feel small With being able to run 2 tech 2 repairers forever and guns aswell with a ****load of damage I think the Retribution rox. Havent tried an Enyo but if everyone else think it is best it might be. Mind I also got 900 armor HP witch is more than some cruisers and very good resistance on top of that makes a tank worth mentioning. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.01.13 13:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Hamatitio I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes. In corp sparring I broke the tanks in less then 30 seconds on both a Harpy and an Enyo (Harpy was down to a 1/4 armour in about 20 seconds when it tried a warp in and approach from 30) using my Prophecy. And I only started training for the Prophecy less then a week ago. Man Brutix must really suck lol --------------------------------------------------
Grut	Posted - 2005.01.13 13:17:00 - [15] IMO the harpy is the best... because it does the job its meant to extremely well, sit in the middle of a big blob of bs and own every frig within 60km Mostly harmless
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.01.13 13:18:00 - [16] Originally by: theRaptor In corp sparring I broke the tanks in less then 30 seconds on both a Harpy and an Enyo (Harpy was down to a 1/4 armour in about 20 seconds when it tried a warp in and approach from 30) using my Prophecy. And I only started training for the Prophecy less then a week ago. Man Brutix must really suck lol I have a feeling that assault frigates are very dependant on your skills (and setup), you need high skills in order to fly them properly (this means all relevant gunnery, mechanics, engineering to lvl4 at least, pref 5). With proper skills and equipment they rock, but I suspect with mediocre skills and/or standard modules you won't get that much out of them. Not saying this was the case here, just saying I see a lot of variance in what people are reporting. Some say assaults suck, some (me included) think they are wonderful. Weird. The Enyo is easily my favorite ship at the moment, though that might change when I get the skills for the heavy assaults
Marcus Alkhaar	Posted - 2005.01.13 14:08:00 - [17] Have any of you tried the Ishkur? one of my friends use it with 10 light drones and 3 named light neutron blasters.... it make me feel VERY little.... damn it hurts
Nekhad Jormuzzar	Posted - 2005.01.13 14:56:00 - [18] I love my little Enyo, but if I had caldari frigate V, I would probably be flying a Harpy. It's range is simply amazing.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.01.13 15:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 13/01/2005 15:06:04 Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Have any of you tried the Ishkur? one of my friends use it with 10 light drones and 3 named light neutron blasters.... it make me feel VERY little.... damn it hurts I have an Ishkur (too) and while it looks cool, I haven't found anything I'm totally happy with yet for it. Tried rails, it's ok but the Enyo is simply much better. Tried blasters, it works better but there's the problem of propulsion. Using MWD paints you into a big huge target and kills you cap. No go. Using OAB is impossible because of the small grid. Using AB II seems to be the best best (like for Enyo), but for a blaster boat something like 650 m/s is a bit problematic... sure, if someone comes into your web range you can do something, but if someone orbits outside web range all you have to fall back on is your drones. Maybe they are enough, but... dunno. Will have to test some more. In addition, I found I was 0.5 grid short (duh!) so had to fit small acco repair instead of t2. And if you want to fit damage mod, you have to either sacrifice hardener or cpr, neither of which I'd like to do. Oh well. If anyone has a setup for the Ishkur (blaster or otherwise) that works well, please tell. For the reference, my most successful setup was something like this (from memory): 3 x t2 ions, named nosferatu named web, t2 ab, cap recharger small acco repair, energized nano membrane, cpr Worked ok and could run armor repair nonstop, which is very nice, but I'm still concerned about the combination of slow ship speed and short range of blasters.
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2005.01.13 15:09:00 - [20] I fly a retribution, which is great if set up right. I have to say though, that the enyo or harpy probably beats it overall due to the single midslot. The fact that it can't fit a rocket launcher for defenders makes it a little more vulnerable against big ships too. In balance, I'd vote enyo. The harpy would win it except for the fact that fitting it's mid slots for PVP (i.e web & scram) leaves it with a lesser tank than the enyo or retribution. Enyo can easily tank across all four damage, fit web & scram and do good damage (either with rails or blasters).
Kunming	Posted - 2005.01.13 15:26:00 - [21] Sad that the Enyo was actually designed to be a blaster ship, if it had a MWD cap need reduction like on the thorax (and deimos) it coule fill in its role perfect. I fly an ishkur sometimes with blasters (!), small drones can catch ceptors and if they get close u blast them off, other than that I killed couple cruisers like thorax and rupture with the use of EW. I hear lots of good comments about the harpy, but I would prefer a vengeance over a harpy anytime. I think the problem many ppl are facing is that we try to fit them like frigates, AFs are quite a special class for them selves IMO. Intercepting since BETA
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.14 21:50:00 - [22] Id use it as a blaster with 1 more mid, 2 isnt enough. -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Nighthawk	Posted - 2005.01.14 22:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Nighthawk on 14/01/2005 22:16:19 i gotta say i love my harpy..... prefer it over the hawk by a long way.... the only problem is i still fear lasers (hence why a prophecy would break a harpys tank pretty fast as was mentioned earlier), as a single tac shield only gives 50% em resistance :( i just wish i could afford a gistii type-a shield booster cause then itd be rather a lot better at tanking..... not gotten round to testing any of the other races assault frigates yet, tho i can fly them all so its jsut a matter of time :) --- All hail to the mighty space hamster!!! ---
Weirda	Posted - 2005.01.14 22:48:00 - [24] Retribution is a lot of fun (pretty invulnerable in most situation)... Have only used in in PvE though - it's wonderful for missions... (can do ALL lvl3s practically AFK - and many lvl4s with ease)... But... You shouldn't discount the Minmatar assaults: Wolf: Great for 1 shotting frigs... w 5 highs all filled with weapons... throw a 20km disruptor and webber on there and you will kill anything cruiser < that comes in 20km. You can hit effectively for max damage out to 35km or so easily (further depending on setup/ammo - but good damage with uranium) and happily kill small targets that refuse to come in you range... Jaguar: More flexible with 4/3/3 setup... and the boosted resists on the shields are em and thermal - so you can imagine the shield tank - and have lots of slots left over for whatever. Few frigates are setup to handle the multiple damage types that projectiles deal. Plus - they're cheap as hell compared to the other assaults! -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Therus Krei	Posted - 2005.01.15 00:31:00 - [25] The enyo is great - good tanking - the a launcher can take care of heavy missiles and u can get good hits at 25k with iridium if u have decent skills which is beyind the range of small missiles
Black 1	Posted - 2005.01.15 00:35:00 - [26] From what i've seen the Amarr AFs anit that gd... the enyo would be the best bet -----------
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.15 07:23:00 - [27] Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56 Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead! I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :) -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.01.16 16:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Hamatitio Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56 Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead! I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :) -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.16 17:08:00 - [29] Whatchya rollin your eyes at silly? -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Damajink	Posted - 2005.01.16 17:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Hamatitio Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56 Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead! I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :) Min AFs are weakest to kinetic, Harpy and Enyo do kinetic damage Try taking out a wolf in an Amarr ship, it won't be quite as easy
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.16 18:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Grimpak on 16/01/2005 18:20:11 Originally by: Damajink Originally by: Hamatitio Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56 Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead! I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :) Min AFs are weakest to kinetic, Harpy and Enyo do kinetic damage Try taking out a wolf in an Amarr ship, it won't be quite as easy Quote: 2005.01.16 15:16:00 Victim: Elric TheWhite Corporation: Alcohol Fuelled Destroyed Type: Malediction Solar System: Alentene System Security Level: 0.9 Involved parties: Name: Grimpak (laid the final blow) Security Status: 2.4 Corporation: The Company Ship Type: Jaguar Weapon Type: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II Destroyed items: Type: Medium Pulse Laser II (Fitted - High slot) Type: Multifrequency S (Fitted - High slot) Quantity: 1 Type: Multifrequency S (Fitted - High slot) Quantity: 1 Type: Reactor Control Unit I (Fitted - Low slot) Type: Medium Pulse Laser II (Fitted - High slot) Type: Medium Pulse Laser II (Fitted - High slot) no webs no nothing. engaged at arround 7km range. 1st time I went into PvP in a jag. Only thing I had on was a mild shield tank with a T1 kinetic shield amp (passive one), T2 small shield booster and a T2 low slot traking mod. Heck the ship was fresh out of the station. Imagine my surprise (and his) when my 3 T2 280 howies punctured his ship like a hot knife in a butter, while his lasers didn't go past the 70/80% of my shields tank them properly and they are good Afrigs. and I grew specially fond of my jag with this encounter. a bit easier to fit than the wolf, and good for long range (and short, with that nasty tracking bonus ) ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.01.16 18:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Damajink Originally by: Hamatitio Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56 Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead! I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :) Min AFs are weakest to kinetic, Harpy and Enyo do kinetic damage Try taking out a wolf in an Amarr ship, it won't be quite as easy I forgot who it was, but some xetic guy was using autocannons on his jaguar, I couldn't help but laugh as he was only doing around 2-5 damage per shot, my retribution got him to structure in no time but I hadnt no scrambler at the time ------------------------------------------
Weirda	Posted - 2005.01.16 19:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Hamatitio Whatchya rollin your eyes at silly? Just that you statement can be made about any kind of ship. Who hasn't had that kind of experience? Weirda have killed a close range tarinis with a claw - he didn't even have weirda to armor... Does that mean Tarinis suck and claws are king? No... The Jag should have been shield tanking... (though you post sound like the Jag almost had you) - had you webbed and scrambled... if he didn't - then well... no wonder you got out... The Wolf is hard to fit - but can easily take down an Enyo (just as an Enyo can easily take down a Wolf) - it all depend on the engagement. is because you made blanket statement on a race of Assault Frigs based on 2 engagements... Either way - just trying to get all the AF into the discussion... -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.16 19:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Weirda Originally by: Hamatitio Whatchya rollin your eyes at silly? Just that you statement can be made about any kind of ship. Who hasn't had that kind of experience? Weirda have killed a close range tarinis with a claw - he didn't even have weirda to armor... Does that mean Tarinis suck and claws are king? No... The Jag should have been shield tanking... (though you post sound like the Jag almost had you) - had you webbed and scrambled... if he didn't - then well... no wonder you got out... The Wolf is hard to fit - but can easily take down an Enyo (just as an Enyo can easily take down a Wolf) - it all depend on the engagement. is because you made blanket statement on a race of Assault Frigs based on 2 engagements... Either way - just trying to get all the AF into the discussion... this is why I love to see Weirda's posts ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.01.16 23:23:00 - [35] i like how everyone misses out minmatar in their posts, lol uh.
Cracken	Posted - 2005.01.17 02:13:00 - [36] With the projectile damage increase minmatar af's are gonna be even stronger, hell my thrasher took on an angel 75k cruiser and supporting frigates and won 280mm howies hurt extremely much, tech2 hurt even worse. Get assault frigates too 5 with the new damage boost and the af's tracking bonus things get incredibly hairy for any ship facing them seeing every shot my howies took land on anything I shot at was music too my ears.
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.01.17 02:17:00 - [37] I like the harpy. I have fought a few enyos and won. Problem is the Harpy tends to die rather quickly in certain fights, where as a Hawk wins. For me it depends on who or what I'm doing. Harpys are good for sniping and tacking out tacklers. I prefer the Hawk for solo fighting. I have killed Harpys and enyos using a Hawk, go figure. "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.01.17 02:53:00 - [38] Well I'm just talking form my experiences, I guess all the AF pilots I meet are noobs -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Selim	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:43:00 - [39] I'd say Enyo and Harpy are the better ones. I fly an Enyo of those two, but to be honest I'd rather fly a Harpy - the tracking bonus on the Enyo doesn't help much while the extra optimal on a Harpy rules... and 4 medslots can make for a perfectly decent shield tank while also webbing and scrambling. I flew a Retribution once, it tanked really good. The one medslot is a pain in the ass, though, the Retribution's uses are limited at best. Vengeance is the best tanker of all the assault frigs. The shields last a decent amount of time with its kinetic resistance, the armor is much better though. Like all the amarr assault ships, it just needs a thermal hardener to be super, and its got great cap. It doesn't do very good damage, though. I suppose that isn't much of an issue. The Ishkur is pretty versatile. I don't have much experience with them, but I did find the drones to be a pain. It dealt decent damage and tanked reasonably well but I'd rather go with an Enyo. I don't have any experience with a Hawk, but it seems like a great shield tanker. The minmatar ones are where I have mixed feelings. The Wolf is not a good tank. Its only got two medslots so it can't shield tank, and its resistances for armor are not good. However its good because its got the best first-volley damage and some leeway in choosing damage types. Big problem with it is its poor cap, and the fact that Gallente and Caldari ships have no trouble destroying it since it has no kinetic resistance. Jaguar is more versatile, its a better tank, but it does less damage and has even less cap. Its pretty fast for an AF, though. I'd say most of them have their uses. As far as the resistances go, I'd say any resistance to kinetic is the most useful, followed by thermal. This is because they are the most used damage types in weapons. EM is next with explosive last. EM is third because, now, generally more people use lasers than projectiles. However, due to the fact that the minmatar can't really fit shield tanking equipment, its probably tied with explosive.
Marcus Alkhaar	Posted - 2005.01.20 18:29:00 - [40] Ishkur Setup: Hi: 2xT2 light Neutron - Modal Light Neutron, Named small Nos Med: 1MN AB II, Named Webber/scrambler, Cap Recharger II/scrambler Low: Small armor Repair II, Magnetic Field Stabilizer II, Reactor Control Unit II Drones: 5 Acolyte,5 Warrior / 10 Warrior / 10 Acolyte (depends on what you fight) I am sure that it will deal SOME damage, but I dont know how much it will deal.... I cant fly AF yet, got 1,5 mil Skill points so I havent tried it Tell me what you think about it
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.20 19:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Ishkur Setup: Hi: 2xT2 light Neutron - Modal Light Neutron, Named small Nos Med: 1MN AB II, Named Webber/scrambler, Cap Recharger II/scrambler Low: Small armor Repair II, Magnetic Field Stabilizer II, Reactor Control Unit II Drones: 5 Acolyte,5 Warrior / 10 Warrior / 10 Acolyte (depends on what you fight) I am sure that it will deal SOME damage, but I dont know how much it will deal.... I cant fly AF yet, got 1,5 mil Skill points so I havent tried it Tell me what you think about it AF is 2 slow for blasters, especialy when you use ab;) B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.20 19:06:00 - [42] oh and IShkur is great ship 2.... powns frigs and intys very easy with right setup B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Sangxianc	Posted - 2005.01.20 19:07:00 - [43] Edited by: Sangxianc on 20/01/2005 19:08:32 Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Ishkur Setup: Hi: 2xT2 light Neutron - Modal Light Neutron, Named small Nos Med: 1MN AB II, Named Webber/scrambler, Cap Recharger II/scrambler Low: Small armor Repair II, Magnetic Field Stabilizer II, Reactor Control Unit II Drones: 5 Acolyte,5 Warrior / 10 Warrior / 10 Acolyte (depends on what you fight) I am sure that it will deal SOME damage, but I dont know how much it will deal.... I cant fly AF yet, got 1,5 mil Skill points so I havent tried it Tell me what you think about it I think you'd be better off replacing the Neutrons with T2 Ions and the RCU for an Energized Adaptive Nanoplate (or a thermic one and just avoid Minmatar ships). Although 125mm Rails might also be a better choice, since closing in the distance for blasters would be tricky with an Assault Frigate. - Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Von Korona	Posted - 2005.01.20 19:16:00 - [44] I like the look of the Retribution. In my opinion AFs are for lending massive extra firepower to frigate packs. The retribution basically looses its ability to scramble and web and trades it for added defence and offence. With some wingmen to scramble I think it would probably be the best. If you want to hunt solo I would recomend a ceptor due to their added speed and mobility.
Marcus Alkhaar	Posted - 2005.01.21 13:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Sangxianc Edited by: Sangxianc on 20/01/2005 19:08:32 Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Ishkur Setup: Hi: 2xT2 light Neutron - Modal Light Neutron, Named small Nos Med: 1MN AB II, Named Webber/scrambler, Cap Recharger II/scrambler Low: Small armor Repair II, Magnetic Field Stabilizer II, Reactor Control Unit II Drones: 5 Acolyte,5 Warrior / 10 Warrior / 10 Acolyte (depends on what you fight) I am sure that it will deal SOME damage, but I dont know how much it will deal.... I cant fly AF yet, got 1,5 mil Skill points so I havent tried it Tell me what you think about it I think you'd be better off replacing the Neutrons with T2 Ions and the RCU for an Energized Adaptive Nanoplate (or a thermic one and just avoid Minmatar ships). Although 125mm Rails might also be a better choice, since closing in the distance for blasters would be tricky with an Assault Frigate. ------------------------------------------------------------ AF dont need more Resist! But if you get close (10 KM), then you can web them and use the small nos (5750 M).... then they will be peace of cake... no armor repair no shooting or shield boosting.... And, an AB II, with max speed skills, will be able to get you at 765 M/s! BTW, What setup do you suggest!?
MrRookie	Posted - 2005.01.21 14:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Von Korona I like the look of the Retribution. In my opinion AFs are for lending massive extra firepower to frigate packs. The retribution basically looses its ability to scramble and web and trades it for added defence and offence. With some wingmen to scramble I think it would probably be the best. If you want to hunt solo I would recomend a ceptor due to their added speed and mobility. As soon as the Retribution gets lock and have a ceptor in range it doesnt take many seconds before its dead so the scrambler sint nesecerly. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
tenp1	Posted - 2005.01.21 22:11:00 - [47] Edited by: tenp1 on 21/01/2005 22:12:19 I would say, versus other assaults the retribution only get any real trouble from a full drone filled ishkur. Tho even then the ishkur can't out tank the ret's damage, so it has to hope it can kill the ret quick. Versus and enyo or harpy it has little trouble. With 2 armour repaires running and a tech II thermal membrane (I use a true sansha 40% one), the harpy and enyo need to dish out consitently 160+ damage every 4.5 seconds, or 80 every 2.25 seconds (Armour repairer 5) to break the tank. I have had a retribution sitting still while I fire on it constantly with an enyo or harpy. Niether can get it below 70% armour. The retribution can easily dish out over 80 over 4.5 seconds, which breaks the enyo and harpy tank. On the other hand, the enyo and harpy are both far more flexible than the ret as they don't have that 1 sad little mid.

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