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Telemachus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.01.12 20:44:00 -
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ok im wondering wats the best assult frig between caldari, gallente and amar in damage and defenses?
Im thinking between Enyo and Harpy but PLEASE need some advice for a PVP dmaage assult frig, thanks
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.01.12 20:47:00 -
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Well, for PVP, I would have to say the Enyo, but I personally fly a Retribution, with a webber in the mid slot, this thing can put the hurtin' on people.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.01.12 20:59:00 -
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Enyo and harpy rules
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:51:00 -
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I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.12 21:52:00 -
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But a harpy with ~150 mil in named stuff will own a enyo.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.01.12 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 12/01/2005 22:33:18
enyo with tech2 gear on is a beast of a ship with half decent skills. Offers a little bit more flexibility than a retribution imo as it has 2 mids. Tracking + range bonus makes it great for rails and it tanks well too (which is surprising for a gall ship)
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Drogon
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Posted - 2005.01.12 23:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Hamatitio
I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes.
yep i watched the whole thing it was amazing 
seeing 15 drones circling around that enyo until the butix got into range with it's blasters was awesome.
/me starts training gallente frig 5
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Ocularis
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Posted - 2005.01.12 23:34:00 -
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I like my Retribution for the armor tank side.. did almost faint when my shields went down in 1 shot from a rat though... but the energized armor hardners and a tech 2 armor repair kept me laughing - and the firepower aint bad either.
I actually really like my Vengance... its got good shields that you can tank for em/thermal with the slots you have available, and if the shield tank breaks, you can have an armor tank too....Also has a launcher which you can fit with defenders or such like so its a good little ship... i love it... well i love them both! 
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:02:00 -
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I only have experience with Gallente assaults, but the Enyo is a lovely ship. Does excellent damage, tanks well. I hunt battleships in 0.0 with my t2 setup.
No pvp experience with it yet, but it should be good. Vulnerable to some things of course (EW mainly) and slow, but no ship is perfect. Fly it like a mini-cruiser, not like an interceptor, and you should be golden.
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ubikar
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:12:00 -
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Enyo is a wonderful ship, able to deal much damage and to tank insanely.
Harpy is better for sniping if I'm right.
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2005.01.13 10:42:00 -
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I was playing around in my Harpy against a Retribution a mate of mine had, I couldn't do **** to him and he just pwnd me  I've never used the Harpy again, but I might try it again soon 
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Custodian
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Posted - 2005.01.13 11:15:00 -
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The retribution has a great tank. Testing against other assults in corp i found i can match any other assult........apart from the enyo. Its just has that little bit extra, and kicks my ass every time.
But i would still go with my retro, being able to run 2 small Tech II amour rep is just crazy! 
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.01.13 12:11:00 -
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A corp m8 of mine has an Enyo and I have a Retribution. Tbh none of the other Assaults makes me feel small 
With being able to run 2 tech 2 repairers forever and guns aswell with a ****load of damage I think the Retribution rox. Havent tried an Enyo but if everyone else think it is best it might be. Mind I also got 900 armor HP witch is more than some cruisers and very good resistance on top of that makes a tank worth mentioning.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.01.13 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
I think enyo is best, with cheap gear it can tank incredibly. I tanked 1 crow 1 brutix w/ drones and 1 thorax w/ drones for nearly 2 minutes.
In corp sparring I broke the tanks in less then 30 seconds on both a Harpy and an Enyo (Harpy was down to a 1/4 armour in about 20 seconds when it tried a warp in and approach from 30) using my Prophecy. And I only started training for the Prophecy less then a week ago. Man Brutix must really suck lol
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.01.13 13:17:00 -
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IMO the harpy is the best... because it does the job its meant to extremely well, sit in the middle of a big blob of bs and own every frig within 60km
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.13 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
In corp sparring I broke the tanks in less then 30 seconds on both a Harpy and an Enyo (Harpy was down to a 1/4 armour in about 20 seconds when it tried a warp in and approach from 30) using my Prophecy. And I only started training for the Prophecy less then a week ago. Man Brutix must really suck lol
I have a feeling that assault frigates are very dependant on your skills (and setup), you need high skills in order to fly them properly (this means all relevant gunnery, mechanics, engineering to lvl4 at least, pref 5). With proper skills and equipment they rock, but I suspect with mediocre skills and/or standard modules you won't get that much out of them. Not saying this was the case here, just saying I see a lot of variance in what people are reporting. Some say assaults suck, some (me included) think they are wonderful. Weird.
The Enyo is easily my favorite ship at the moment, though that might change when I get the skills for the heavy assaults
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Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2005.01.13 14:08:00 -
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Have any of you tried the Ishkur?
one of my friends use it with 10 light drones and 3 named light neutron blasters....
it make me feel VERY little.... damn it hurts
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Nekhad Jormuzzar
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Posted - 2005.01.13 14:56:00 -
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I love my little Enyo, but if I had caldari frigate V, I would probably be flying a Harpy. It's range is simply amazing.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.13 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 13/01/2005 15:06:04
Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar
Have any of you tried the Ishkur?
one of my friends use it with 10 light drones and 3 named light neutron blasters....
it make me feel VERY little.... damn it hurts
I have an Ishkur (too) and while it looks cool, I haven't found anything I'm totally happy with yet for it.
Tried rails, it's ok but the Enyo is simply much better.
Tried blasters, it works better but there's the problem of propulsion. Using MWD paints you into a big huge target and kills you cap. No go. Using OAB is impossible because of the small grid. Using AB II seems to be the best best (like for Enyo), but for a blaster boat something like 650 m/s is a bit problematic... sure, if someone comes into your web range you can do something, but if someone orbits outside web range all you have to fall back on is your drones. Maybe they are enough, but... dunno. Will have to test some more. In addition, I found I was 0.5 grid short (duh!) so had to fit small acco repair instead of t2. And if you want to fit damage mod, you have to either sacrifice hardener or cpr, neither of which I'd like to do. Oh well.
If anyone has a setup for the Ishkur (blaster or otherwise) that works well, please tell.
For the reference, my most successful setup was something like this (from memory):
3 x t2 ions, named nosferatu
named web, t2 ab, cap recharger
small acco repair, energized nano membrane, cpr
Worked ok and could run armor repair nonstop, which is very nice, but I'm still concerned about the combination of slow ship speed and short range of blasters.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.01.13 15:09:00 -
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I fly a retribution, which is great if set up right. I have to say though, that the enyo or harpy probably beats it overall due to the single midslot. The fact that it can't fit a rocket launcher for defenders makes it a little more vulnerable against big ships too.
In balance, I'd vote enyo. The harpy would win it except for the fact that fitting it's mid slots for PVP (i.e web & scram) leaves it with a lesser tank than the enyo or retribution. Enyo can easily tank across all four damage, fit web & scram and do good damage (either with rails or blasters).
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.01.13 15:26:00 -
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Sad that the Enyo was actually designed to be a blaster ship, if it had a MWD cap need reduction like on the thorax (and deimos) it coule fill in its role perfect.
I fly an ishkur sometimes with blasters (!), small drones can catch ceptors and if they get close u blast them off, other than that I killed couple cruisers like thorax and rupture with the use of EW.
I hear lots of good comments about the harpy, but I would prefer a vengeance over a harpy anytime. I think the problem many ppl are facing is that we try to fit them like frigates, AFs are quite a special class for them selves IMO.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.14 21:50:00 -
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Id use it as a blaster with 1 more mid, 2 isnt enough.
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Nighthawk
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Posted - 2005.01.14 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nighthawk on 14/01/2005 22:16:19
i gotta say i love my harpy..... prefer it over the hawk by a long way.... the only problem is i still fear lasers (hence why a prophecy would break a harpys tank pretty fast as was mentioned earlier), as a single tac shield only gives 50% em resistance :(
i just wish i could afford a gistii type-a shield booster cause then itd be rather a lot better at tanking.....
not gotten round to testing any of the other races assault frigates yet, tho i can fly them all so its jsut a matter of time :)
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.01.14 22:48:00 -
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Retribution is a lot of fun (pretty invulnerable in most situation)... Have only used in in PvE though - it's wonderful for missions... (can do ALL lvl3s practically AFK - and many lvl4s with ease)...
But... You shouldn't discount the Minmatar assaults:
Wolf:
Great for 1 shotting frigs... w 5 highs all filled with weapons... throw a 20km disruptor and webber on there and you will kill anything cruiser < that comes in 20km. You can hit effectively for max damage out to 35km or so easily (further depending on setup/ammo - but good damage with uranium) and happily kill small targets that refuse to come in you range...
Jaguar:
More flexible with 4/3/3 setup... and the boosted resists on the shields are em and thermal - so you can imagine the shield tank - and have lots of slots left over for whatever.
Few frigates are setup to handle the multiple damage types that projectiles deal.
Plus - they're cheap as hell compared to the other assaults!
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Therus Krei
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Posted - 2005.01.15 00:31:00 -
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The enyo is great - good tanking - the a launcher can take care of heavy missiles and u can get good hits at 25k with iridium if u have decent skills which is beyind the range of small missiles
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Black 1
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Posted - 2005.01.15 00:35:00 -
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From what i've seen the Amarr AFs anit that gd... the enyo would be the best bet
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.15 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56
Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead!
I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :)
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.01.16 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56
Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead!
I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :)
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.16 17:08:00 -
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Whatchya rollin your eyes at silly?
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Damajink
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Posted - 2005.01.16 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
Edited by: Hamatitio on 15/01/2005 07:23:56
Honestly, every minmatar AF i have come across has been horrible. I accidentally took a jag into structure in my taranis...didnt realise it was an AF till i was nearly dead!
I Took out a wolf before i had to hit my shield booster on my harpy. So, yeah maybe they are good for 1 shotting frigs, but not good at much else. :)
Min AFs are weakest to kinetic, Harpy and Enyo do kinetic damage
Try taking out a wolf in an Amarr ship, it won't be quite as easy 
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