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Marie C1
Caldari Main Federal Bank Reserve
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Posted - 2010.11.30 07:32:00 -
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The forcefield is intended to disrupt target locking, but ships inside it can still be attacked by any area of effect type weapons and thus receive a PvP aggression timer, without being aware of it. So i mean , i can use smartbomb or ECM Burst against ships which is under the POS shield to get them aggro , and after they logged i can kill them ?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.11.30 07:42:00 -
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Nyx down?
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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kano donn
Revolution.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 07:51:00 -
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the moment you enter a pos shield, you are safe from anything. you can not be damaged by bombs, smartbombs, burst ecm, and old school titan DD.
Your not safe from warp bubbles, insults, or a spy changing the password so as to bumb every individual out of the pos.
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Matrix Massim
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:05:00 -
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it has been reported several times that ECM bursts do get aggression timers inside pos's. the thread is usually:
didnt even know I was aggressed and logged in pos blue bumped me out and my ship got popped some little frig cloaky with an ECM burst was sitting by the pos waiting for me.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:16:00 -
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Petition to see what the GMs say. But in the end it does not really matter.
The general rule of thumb is that CCP is real weak on exploits and way too lenient on exploiters. So you can happily abuse this mechanic as much as you want. Eventually after a few months CCP will be aware of it but even so they will either disable ECM burst inside FFs or just announce it is an exploit and even if you have been doing it over 9,000 times before it is announced as an exploit you will never get banned.
I pray for the return of Oveur and the banhammer every day. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:21:00 -
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hahah finally a thread was made about this, I must say it took you guys long enough
PL ftw
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:23:00 -
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Bitter previous NC SC owner detected.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.11.30 08:29:00 -
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How can you be bitter about losing an SC to an obvious exploit?
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:20:00 -
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Confirming that you are correct in your assessment of how aggro through POS shields works.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:08:00 -
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Even with aggro, how does the SC come out of the FF after the owner has logged? The only way this works is, when someone bumps it..
In the other thread covering this, this exact part hadn't been explained either. Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer Even with aggro, how does the SC come out of the FF after the owner has logged? The only way this works is, when someone bumps it..
In the other thread covering this, this exact part hadn't been explained either.
im guessing that the ships warps to a safe when he logs off in space, and gets scanned down pretty quickly
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Tres Farmer Even with aggro, how does the SC come out of the FF after the owner has logged? The only way this works is, when someone bumps it..
In the other thread covering this, this exact part hadn't been explained either.
im guessing that the ships warps to a safe when he logs off in space, and gets scanned down pretty quickly
That is incorrect. If you log inside POS shield you will remain inside POS shields until you disappear from space. However when you log back in after disappearing from space you will appear 1 million km away and then warp back to POS, that can end up not that good experience if POS has been bubbled in the meanwhile.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: kano donn the moment you enter a pos shield, you are safe from anything. you can not be damaged by bombs, smartbombs, burst ecm, and old school titan DD.
Your not safe from warp bubbles, insults, or a spy changing the password so as to bumb every individual out of the pos.
not true missiles will still follow u into a force field if they were fired while your ship was locakable.
Bombs/smartbombs will still damage your ship if your ship in the pos bubble is close the edge of the bubble.
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Marie C1
Caldari Main Federal Bank Reserve
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Posted - 2010.11.30 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Marie C1 on 30/11/2010 12:55:43 The reason i'm asking , to find out , is such tactics legal .
Because when u using ECM on the ship which is under the POS shield , pilot does gets aggro , but timer not showing on pilots screen . It was tested on sisi.
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Yes, i lost a super capital ship due to this , so if it's legal tactics - fine , i will just build new one , but if not , should i go at war with CCP .
Would be nice if GM would leave his opinion here .
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Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:02:00 -
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pandemic legion uses this ecm burst cheat tactic all the time and reaps countless supercarrier kills. after all they have done can you like ban that whole ***gy exploiter alliance allready?
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Br41n
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.11.30 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Marie C1 Edited by: Marie C1 on 30/11/2010 12:55:43 The reason i'm asking , to find out , is such tactics legal .
Because when u using ECM on the ship which is under the POS shield , pilot does gets aggro , but timer not showing on pilots screen . It was tested on sisi.
edit:
Yes, i lost a super capital ship due to this , so if it's legal tactics - fine , i will just build new one , but if not , should i go at war with CCP .
Would be nice if GM would leave his opinion here .
Petition it for a GM answer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: kano donn the moment you enter a pos shield, you are safe from anything. you can not be damaged by bombs, smartbombs, burst ecm, and old school titan DD.
Your not safe from warp bubbles, insults, or a spy changing the password so as to bumb every individual out of the pos.
If it's true, which I doubt, it changed recently. Missiles locked on you before you entered the force field will follow you and hit you. Many prairie dogging people got popped that way.
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Marie C1
Caldari Main Federal Bank Reserve
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Posted - 2010.11.30 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Marie C1 Edited by: Marie C1 on 30/11/2010 12:55:43 The reason i'm asking , to find out , is such tactics legal .
Because when u using ECM on the ship which is under the POS shield , pilot does gets aggro , but timer not showing on pilots screen . It was tested on sisi.
edit:
Yes, i lost a super capital ship due to this , so if it's legal tactics - fine , i will just build new one , but if not , should i go at war with CCP .
Would be nice if GM would leave his opinion here .
Petition it for a GM answer
Yes , but i want to know what eve players think and what their thoughts . |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Marie C1
Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Marie C1 Edited by: Marie C1 on 30/11/2010 12:55:43 The reason i'm asking , to find out , is such tactics legal .
Because when u using ECM on the ship which is under the POS shield , pilot does gets aggro , but timer not showing on pilots screen . It was tested on sisi.
edit:
Yes, i lost a super capital ship due to this , so if it's legal tactics - fine , i will just build new one , but if not , should i go at war with CCP .
Would be nice if GM would leave his opinion here .
Petition it for a GM answer
Yes , but i want to know what eve players think and what their thoughts .
It doesn't matter what players think, it matters what CCP thinks only.
Sadly, theres no way to know if your client was desynched or if you were TRULY in the POS shields, so I guess we'll never know will we.
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Marie C1
Caldari Main Federal Bank Reserve
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Posted - 2010.11.30 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Marie C1
Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Marie C1 Edited by: Marie C1 on 30/11/2010 12:55:43 The reason i'm asking , to find out , is such tactics legal .
Because when u using ECM on the ship which is under the POS shield , pilot does gets aggro , but timer not showing on pilots screen . It was tested on sisi.
edit:
Yes, i lost a super capital ship due to this , so if it's legal tactics - fine , i will just build new one , but if not , should i go at war with CCP .
Would be nice if GM would leave his opinion here .
Petition it for a GM answer
Yes , but i want to know what eve players think and what their thoughts .
It doesn't matter what players think, it matters what CCP thinks only.
Sadly, theres no way to know if your client was desynched or if you were TRULY in the POS shields, so I guess we'll never know will we.
From one side i would agree with you , but , but there is something i have in my pocket ;)
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.11.30 21:39:00 -
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I'm glad you posted
It sounds like a decent tactic if legal but a real crappy exploit if not.
The really crappy part is if you truly don't have a way of seeing the timer.
Also, it seems like a pretty harsh treatment of some-one who got camped in a pos, continually forced to an agressed state and who effectively can't log off from the game or gosh forbid have their internet go down.
Although, I guess the real take-away is:
if its legal and intended, then super caps have nowhere to hide if caught logged on in a system vs a skilled gang?
If they were aligned, I guess they could warp to a safe and log off immediately when landing? Is that it... pretty much need to log off if you're in a super cap and any hostiles are in system with any scanning or aoe power?
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Marie C1 but there is something i have in my pocket ;)
you just turned into a scary, scary person. .
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Marie C1
Caldari Main Federal Bank Reserve
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: Marie C1 but there is something i have in my pocket ;)
you just turned into a scary, scary person.
South Park FTW
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KristineKochanski
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Posted - 2010.12.18 14:50:00 -
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Daft question but why would you be aggressed as you did not commit an aggressive act? A ship playing docking games isn't aggressed if it is fired on, nor is a ship on a gate?
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2010.12.18 17:55:00 -
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Given that any particular GM can make a ruling that is pulled from their anal orifice, I'd escalate any answer I got on any petition immediately upon reply.
The sad fact is that GMs all-too-rarely understand the mechanics involved in any particular petitionable situation and, rather than ask for help (and show that they do not know), they will make a ruling on the spot, even if it is completely wrong.
Likewise, there is a certain element of aggrieved parties submitting petitions without full and complete details, then rushing to the forums to complain loudly. I suppose they think that getting players on their side will somehow influence the outcome, but this is so... wrong... that I have come to almost never believe the story as presented.
At any rate, as stated by a previous poster, whinging on the forums and getting player opinions simply doesn't matter. It's a huge waste of time and reminds one of the perps on those cop shows that ALWAYS say they 'weren't doing nothing', even when the camera has just seen them doing the exact thing they are accused of.
In the case of these SC (or any other ship) losses that all revolve around logging off after getting aggro, then getting probed out and popped, well, it wouldn't happen without the logoffski, so the player has to assume at least SOME responsibility. There is no nanny state in Eve.
Sad, just sad.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.18 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If they were aligned, I guess they could warp to a safe and log off immediately when landing? Is that it... pretty much need to log off if you're in a super cap and any hostiles are in system with any scanning or aoe power?
Or god forbid, you know, fight back with a support fleet.
If this happened to one of ours, we would cyno a ton of triage carriers in to save it, and bridge a load of angry pew pew ships in to kill the bumpers. This would result in lots of pretty ship explosions, and that thing called fun.
Supers should never be on their own, this is the bit that is going over the NC's head.
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