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Annoitte
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:15:00 -
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This is probably a horrible idea, but I still want to get a little feedback on it.
How about introducing Tech II Battleships that reduce weapon hardpoints in favor of larger drone bays and higher drone bandwidth?
I'm not thinking about thousands of cubic meters here, maybe something like 200 to 250, with enough bandwidth to control more than three heavy drones.
I know some of the Tech I BS's already have that capability, but having a mini-carrier for each race would be a nice adition, I think. I certainly wouldn't mind giving up a few turrets on my Maelstrom to gain a few more drones and the adaptability that would bring.
I'm also completely unsure of what bonuses these ships should get. Extra drone control range? Higher drone HP and Damage, maybe? I dunno. Been thinking about it for a while, and haven't fully fleshed it out, really.
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Lukesf3
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:26:00 -
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its a good idea, could use some altering, but a good idea none the less, though i would think that the mini carriers would be T3 instead of T2 :P
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:32:00 -
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This idea has never been had before. -
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Lukesf3
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lukesf3 on 02/12/2010 03:36:00 7. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
seems as though your trolling Will, you might want to stop soon
edit: I'm going to post this under everything he trolls on since he irked me
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:36:00 -
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why? what would they do that a lot of the existing battleships don't do already?
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Annoitte
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Posted - 2010.12.02 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: superteds why? what would they do that a lot of the existing battleships don't do already?
Honestly, I have no clue. I got on the idea after looking at all the Tech II ships, and I went, "I want a new Tech II Battleship." Then I started thinking about what it would be, and what could be done with existing Tech I hulls.
Seriously, the Maelstrom, the Rokh, and the Abaddon already look carrier-ish, and that's what popped into my head.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:08:00 -
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Its a good idea. Need a gap filler between battleships and dreads / carriers. Too big of a jump in both skill point training and ehp / dps as well as price.
T2 Dominix that fields 5 fighters would be very cool.
Sig ---
Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lukesf3
Originally by: William Cooly This idea has never been had before.
7. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
seems as though your trolling Will, you might want to stop soon
edit: I'm going to post this under everything he trolls on since he irked me
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:18:00 -
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I would personally like to see a mini-carrier literally: a ship that fields more than 5 drones, but not fighters/bombers. Probably only up to 10 tops.
In other words...Guardian Vexor anyone? That ship is incredibly rare of course, but the concept behind it is good. Make ships similar to the Domi and with OP idea: less hardpoints, heavier reliance on drones. Why 5 heavies when you could field 10? Or Sentries...or even lights?
These new ships would be susceptible to anti-drone ships of course, so there is a balance there. Adds a new layer of strategy on the battleship hulls, and hisec war as a whole. Maybe even mirror the current carrier attributes roughly: gallente version would have higher dmg output, where as the utility of the minmatar version outshines the others. Stats along those lines.
The main reason I like this idea is that it fills the gap between capitals and battleships a little. Think of them as mini-capitals without the advantages (or disadvantages) of a jump-drive, but more gang oriented nonetheless.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:25:00 -
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More on topic I would like to see a Battleship Sized Ship that has the following.
* 150000-200000EHP Tank T2 Fit T1 Rigs * Can Feild 1 Extra Drone Per Level * To Big to Effectively MWD. Like the Orca * A Small RR Bonus and a 10% Drone Dmg Bonus * Very Low Speed * 600-900m Drone Bay * 350-450 Million * Orca Sized Matenence Bay * Can not enter Level 4 Missions * 250 Bandwith
Though I have no Idea how it would balance and it is far from a neccesity.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alias 6322A I would personally like to see a mini-carrier literally: a ship that fields more than 5 drones, but not fighters/bombers. Probably only up to 10 tops.
In other words...Guardian Vexor anyone? That ship is incredibly rare of course, but the concept behind it is good. Make ships similar to the Domi and with OP idea: less hardpoints, heavier reliance on drones. Why 5 heavies when you could field 10? Or Sentries...or even lights?
These new ships would be susceptible to anti-drone ships of course, so there is a balance there. Adds a new layer of strategy on the battleship hulls, and hisec war as a whole. Maybe even mirror the current carrier attributes roughly: gallente version would have higher dmg output, where as the utility of the minmatar version outshines the others. Stats along those lines.
The main reason I like this idea is that it fills the gap between capitals and battleships a little. Think of them as mini-capitals without the advantages (or disadvantages) of a jump-drive, but more gang oriented nonetheless.
Why not fighters? 5 fighters does 1/3 the dps of a carrier and slightly less then double the dps of a dominix (less than doubling the dominix's 5 drones to 10). Sig ---
Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:30:00 -
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True it is not a necessity, but this ship could open up the potential for lvl 5 hisec missions: lower paying of course, but gives incentive to create gang-missions (that actually need a gang). LVL 4's are all soloable, and it would be nice to see missions in hisec that encourage gang ops - this ship type could be the backbone of that, or for those with less cash the usual logistic and such. Gives logistic pilots something to upgrade into if they want, and for those seeking capital training and joining up with a low/null corp in the future.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.12.02 05:24:00 -
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Want a drone boat not a carrier....x-train gallente. Or x-train caldari/gallente for fine assortment of gurista ships (well worm not really a boost technically, jsut has a very large bay for a frigate).
Want a carrier....get one.
There are mods and rigs for drone performance....seek and you shall find.
Every race has its thing. If you wanted drones, you picked the wrong one. Look on the brightside, with gallente x-train you get some very nice pirate ships options.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.02 05:28:00 -
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Not a drone dedicated ship, but a ship with expanded drone usage. All four races have drone cruisers. Gallente just have bigger bays and ships that trade local dmg/tank for external dmg/tank...i.e. drones. You're right that the gallente should always be those liberty drone-lovin' freaks. But this is more of a discussion of a potential hull-type between battleships and capitals, or just a new Tech II class for the battleships. (For example, all four races have three battleships but only two have Tech II versions? Same applies to battlecruisers - one has a T2 and the other does not.)
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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
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Posted - 2010.12.02 06:30:00 -
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I don't think we need a mini-carrier as we have plenty of 500mil ships. What I would like is a 3-5 bil cap ship that is dockable. Something between a carrier and super carrier. That would be a great isk sink and give something more to word towards.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.02 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Prefekt I don't think we need a mini-carrier as we have plenty of 500mil ships. What I would like is a 3-5 bil cap ship that is dockable. Something between a carrier and super carrier. That would be a great isk sink and give something more to word towards.
Isk is irrelevent imo. Whats relevent is there is a gap between battleships and the next larger ships. The difference between battleships and carriers is approximately 300% more damage, 1000 to 1500% more EHP and a few thousand % more training time then between bc and bs. Sig ---
Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:10:00 -
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Quote: Isk is irrelevent imo. Whats relevent is there is a gap between battleships and the next larger ships. The difference between battleships and carriers is approximately 300% more damage, 1000 to 1500% more EHP and a few thousand % more training time then between bc and bs.
This is a good point: EVE is pretty good for having a steady curve in regards to ship class. Training? Of course not (recalls cliff picture) but it seems sensible that a hull could be developed in between capitals and battleships. It adds a new layer of options and strategies in PvP and PvE (if the ships could be used for PvE anyways).
Playing opposition though: Adding a mid-class takes away from the importance and prestige behind capitals, as well as their primary role as "the big guns" only "big corps" can usually afford (referring more to supers and titans than carriers). Carriers aren't all that expensive imho, but do to the way they are built soloing in one is rather silly if not dangerous. This is where a mid-ship hull could come in.
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:09:00 -
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A mini carrier should only have 5 fighters and no other form of DPS.
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Fried'chickenisha
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:15:00 -
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Idea has come up before and I like it, as long as it can go into highsec.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fried'chickenisha Idea has come up before and I like it, as long as it can go into highsec.
I think that would be the main point, yes.
Personally, I would like to see
+1 drone/+25 mbit per level of <skillname>
No fighters - those should still be reserved to capital ships. 10 heavies/sentries should be enough. --Vel
I'm more of a care-badger. |
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 02/12/2010 20:00:43 Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 02/12/2010 20:00:05
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Fried'chickenisha Idea has come up before and I like it, as long as it can go into highsec.
I think that would be the main point, yes.
Personally, I would like to see
+1 drone/+25 mbit per level of <skillname>
No fighters - those should still be reserved to capital ships. 10 heavies/sentries should be enough.
Problem with 10 drones is they would absolutely own everything T1 battleship and lower. Fighters wouldn't. |
Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.02 22:03:00 -
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You are right 10 drones is very powerful...so the main question is if you go this route of a "mini-carrier" how can you set it up to have inherent defects like all ships, i.e. balanced for combat.
-Restrict Heavy and Sentry to 5 drones? This leans the ship towards a drone-oriented frigate/cruiser breaker. -Opposite ^^^? This makes the ship vulnerable to anti-BS ships that are smaller, and gives it a top-heavy role. -Try a setup where the 10 drones must be the same class? Only lights, only mediums...etc...making the ship very specialized in what it can do WHEN it utilizes this unique arsenal.
Just ideas for how you would balance it.
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galphi
Gallente Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:54:00 -
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I was thinking of this a while back too (the idea has been around for a while). Instead of drones though, the t2 battleship/carrier should use 5 fighters instead. Their damage isn't too much (500dps at level 5 skills) and it adds the functionality of fighters being able to warp after targets etc.
During the ship design contest there were many of these designs submitted. A lot of them were really nice, it's a pity none of them won
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:58:00 -
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The Sin is definitely not a mini carrier. Wait. Yes it is.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.03 00:29:00 -
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How about mini-mini-mini-carriers? I'm envisioning a new class of destroyer that can field ten to fifteen light combat drones.
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Ultralord Megaforce
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Posted - 2010.12.03 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alias 6322A You are right 10 drones is very powerful...so the main question is if you go this route of a "mini-carrier" how can you set it up to have inherent defects like all ships, i.e. balanced for combat.
-Restrict Heavy and Sentry to 5 drones? This leans the ship towards a drone-oriented frigate/cruiser breaker. -Opposite ^^^? This makes the ship vulnerable to anti-BS ships that are smaller, and gives it a top-heavy role. -Try a setup where the 10 drones must be the same class? Only lights, only mediums...etc...making the ship very specialized in what it can do WHEN it utilizes this unique arsenal.
Just ideas for how you would balance it.
How about making bandwidth the only restriction to the number of drones you can deploy?
With 125 bandwidth, you can deploy 5 Heavy/Sentry drones.
With 125 bandwidth, you can deploy 12 Medium drones.
With 125 bandwidth, you can deploy 25 Light drones.
It would absolutely **** frigates.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Yonnoth Assassination Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.03 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour The Sin is definitely not a mini carrier. Wait. Yes it is.
Nah the sin is a BC with nerfed recon like abiities that somehow got given a battleship graphic. Its a support vessel not a combat ship. Sig ---
Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
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GizzyBoy
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Posted - 2010.12.03 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker How about mini-mini-mini-carriers? I'm envisioning a new class of destroyer that can field ten to fifteen light combat drones.
THIS
but combat only drones? the EWar potential could be pretty devastating
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Aidan Patrick
Zero Point Group
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Posted - 2010.12.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: GizzyBoy
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker How about mini-mini-mini-carriers? I'm envisioning a new class of destroyer that can field ten to fifteen light combat drones.
THIS
but combat only drones? the EWar potential could be pretty devastating
This would be awesome. But instead of the drone destroyer getting a damage bonus, it would receive a 10% bonus to drone EWar effects. 50m3 bay, and 50m3 bandwidth.
Could you imagine an anti frig dessie that's capable of boasting 5 webber drones with 5 warriors? mmm. - Aidan Patrick |
Shin Dari
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Posted - 2010.12.03 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Fried'chickenisha Idea has come up before and I like it, as long as it can go into highsec.
I think that would be the main point, yes.
Personally, I would like to see
+1 drone/+25 mbit per level of <skillname>
No fighters - those should still be reserved to capital ships. 10 heavies/sentries should be enough.
Please no Drones, there are plenty of drone ships already.
Having 5 fighters in an sub-cap hull that can enter high-sec would make a lot of people wanting to train for fighters.
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