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Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 15:26:00 -
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Ok guys, some theorycrafting for you cus i dont know what it is.
Iam doing anomalies (sanctums) and killing Blood Raiders. I have thanatos with 12 fighters and EFT is telling me i have 1400 DPS.
Than iam dualboxing and my other pilot is Abaddon without tank and only with pulses and dmg modes (iam repping him with carrier) and EFT tells me he got 700 DPS.
So when i have 2 BSes and the fighters start hitting them, iam starting guns on another BS with same kind and same range. Iam killing both these BS at +- the same time.
How is this possible ? The carrier should have double the dmg.
Someone told me iam using bad fighters .... currently iam using Firbolgs which do therm dmg and they said i should be using Templars with EM dmg, cus BR are more vulnerable to EM dmg. Ok, that can be true, but i doubt it will be THAT big difference.
Can someone pls try to explain me this ?
And question nm. 2 : iam getting some sweet SP boost and i was thinking what ship would be best as the second ship in anomly. Iam starting to doubt if double carrier with +- 27 fighters is the best idea ... because the thing that slows me most is the little crap. So what do you think is the best duo for the carrier ?
Thanks !
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WizWaz
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Posted - 2010.12.02 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: WizWaz on 02/12/2010 15:57:29 your issue is that your fighters have to travel to the target, thus they spend 90% of their time moving to the target, then annihilate it in a few seconds, whereas ur abaddon is shooting it the entire time :P
Also, not that Id completely reccomend it, but target painters can help quite a bit on smaller and even larger targets (yes for fighters).
[EDIT: The only reason I know this is because in a bit of free time I knew someone who briefly used a wyvern for ratting when he was bored....he had 2 factions TP's on it cause they apparently helped him when he ganked subcap targets with FB's...think instapopping battleships and stationary cyno commandships *wink*]
As far as second ship, if your abaddon pilot already has good skills, Id suggest getting caldari BS/Shield tanking skills, which will give you access to the nightmare. Nightmare has a tracking bonus and does amazing DPS. Not sure how ur dps compares to the abaddon, but u could throw on a lot of sentries for the insta dps, I always found fighters to be better tho.
Now getting slightly off topic, I would not suggest ratting as a primary source of isk, as its rather ****. Do a bit of research in the game and/or shoot me a mail and Id be happy to throw you some pointers, but you might have to do some saving, theres a reason why EVERYONE doesnt do some of the more lucrative ways of making isk :)
-Wiz
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MWDrive
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:45:00 -
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Fighters need to travel and your abaddons damage is instant. Also, yes you should be using templars which are a lot better for bloods. Actually, you should be using sentry drones.
Since you are dual boxing, your damage is very high and fighters waste too much time traveling. So, put sentry rigs on your carrier, omnidirectional links, remote sensor boosters and tracking links, assign sentries to abaddon and enjoy.
You can upgrade abaddon to nightmare. DPS should remain the same, but you'll have much better tracking. That combo is superior to 2x carrier. |
Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:52:00 -
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That is what i pointed .... i wait when the fighters start doing dmg and THAN start shooting with abaddon and its still same speeed. That is the reason i could compare the dmg.
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:16:00 -
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fighters have crap tracking, alot of the hits miss so dps is negated. This fit may seem silly but it works way better than most. use fighters for bs within 10km, over that deploy 14 sentry
[Archon, anoms] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capital Armor Repairer I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot]
Garde II x14 Bouncer II x14 Curator II x14
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Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:18:00 -
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Hmmm, but BR usually orbit at 51km so i need one drone link augmentor atleast.
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Lord Rapture
Amarr Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pracovnik Hmmm, but BR usually orbit at 51km so i need one drone link augmentor atleast.
train electronics warfare drone interfacing to level4. gives you 57km
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Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:41:00 -
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That bonus apply to all drones or only to the warfare drones ?
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:52:00 -
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In my experience, fighters (Templars) work faster than sentry drones for carrier ratting, at least if you have a couple target painters. I guess it depends on your level of the Fighters skill. Whatever. My alliance has since banned us from ratting in carriers. Where do you rat with your carrier? What system and time zone?
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Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:54:00 -
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Iam not that stupid.
Well, carrier cost 500M build + fighters etc. so lets say 900M for whole carrier ?
You can make that in one day no problem :) So its no big loss, it only looks stupid on KB cus ,,its capital,, but its not expensive anymore.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pracovnik That bonus apply to all drones or only to the warfare drones ?
It applies to all drones
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Steppa
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pracovnik Iam not that stupid.
Well, carrier cost 500M build + fighters etc. so lets say 900M for whole carrier ?
You can make that in one day no problem :) So its no big loss, it only looks stupid on KB cus ,,its capital,, but its not expensive anymore.
How can you make that in one day? More importantly, if it's possible, as a returning player (been gone a long time) how are people doing these long deadspace/mission pockets? It seems like the lucrative one's are all in low-sec...which means you will get popped if you stay in one place for long.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pracovnik Well, carrier cost 500M build + fighters etc. so lets say 900M for whole carrier ?
You can make that in one day no problem :) So its no big loss, it only looks stupid on KB cus ,,its capital,, but its not expensive anymore.
Sure you can make 900mil in a day... the one day out of 365 that you stumble across a Nightmare BPC. Doing it every day, now that'd be a nice trick.
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Pracovnik
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Pracovnik on 02/12/2010 20:17:24 Edited by: Pracovnik on 02/12/2010 20:16:14 Upgraded military systems, chaining sanctums .... with my current dual box setting iam making 120M a hour only bounty, and if i set up someone who loot with me and gives me share its even more.
There is only 2 sanctums in the system, when you finish one the second respawn, so you have allways sanctum to do.
Of coz it involves 7 hours of playing and i cant do that everyday, it will drive me crazy, but its no problem to pull that number every day. And there is also the way of Dark Blood spawns, which increase it even more.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:52:00 -
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So history lesson:
Back in the day Fighters were nasty. Their expensiveness was generally worth it. If your ship got fighters on it. It died quick. But Carriers were too good. You could pretty much be a nasty pvp fit and be transport ship. So they decided to nerf fighters' tracking so they were only good in swarms or against other capships. Which means they are basically no good for anything. Later carriers got nerfed hard on being transport ships. Pretty much left carriers as RR only.
TLDR: Use t2 curator sentries; because ur not going to get much dps out of them. Tracking on fighters is awful to the point they are useless to use. Especially so when you consider how expensive and fragile they are. Devs really need to unnerf tracking. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.03 05:57:00 -
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Curious.
Carrier+Battleship vs. Marauder+T2sentry/Drone Dominix
How do they compare speed wise? |
mama guru
Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.03 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: F0rum Tr0ll Curious.
Honestly, whatever gives the most effective dps. I prefer ishtars, this is what I run with for sanctums in deklein:
[Ishtar, Armor Sentries] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Magnetic Membrane II Energized Magnetic Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x5
Thanatos:
[Thanatos, Anomalies] Capital Armor Repairer I Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Target Painter II Target Painter II
Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Improved Cloaking Device II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Firbolg x12
No point in using dragonfly since they have terrible tracking.
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Sfynx
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.03 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: F0rum Tr0ll Curious.
Honestly, whatever gives the most effective dps. I prefer ishtars, this is what I run with for sanctums in deklein:
[Ishtar, Armor Sentries] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Magnetic Membrane II Energized Magnetic Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma S
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x5
I used an Ishtar and/or Gila for agile Guristas ratting too before I discovered the Tengu. With heavy missiles and the right subsystems it is much better both DPS and range wise (you get sick bonuses from these subsystems in dps and tanking) Yeah a bit more expensive as well, but meh :P Probably the best cruiser-sized Guristas pwnboat in the game.
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