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defiler Mad Hermit Wayward Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Derik Wildstar Congrats defiler on hitting the 3mil milestone! Thanks. Originally by: Keyserr Soze just wondering what the top dogs here are using for hardware? I'm using an i7 960 and a GTX 480. The SMP client runs 24/7 but I only start the GPU3 when I'll be AFK for more than an hour or so. (notify) Lurking Device II is already ForumLurking.
lagrange gormo Gallente Ares Itg.	Posted - 2011.01.18 04:54:00 - [32] I'd been thinking about joining one of the @home projects for while now. As cool as talking with aliens might sound I figure the Folding one is going to provide more useful data than the SETI one. Hope my small contribution will help.
defiler Mad Hermit Wayward Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.18 05:37:00 - [33] Welcome aboard, and of course your contribution will help - both us and science. And I don't see much point in SETI either, but proteins... there we have some potential real-world applications. (notify) Lurking Device II is already ForumLurking.
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.18 10:05:00 - [34] Edited by: Master Blade on 18/01/2011 10:05:55 Originally by: defiler I'm using an i7 960 and a GTX 480. The SMP client runs 24/7 but I only start the GPU3 when I'll be AFK for more than an hour or so. interesting. im considering an sr-2 build shortly if i can squeeze out a few extra bucks. will be exciting to see what 24 cores can do! currently I can't run smp and 2 eve clients at the same time with present hardware. prob need to become a shareholder with my local power company to fuel the beast. lol
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.18 12:55:00 - [35] What a pointless waste of energy (CO2 etc.). Why would anyone want to help such projects with his electricity bill and reduce the life expectancy of his PC (permanently high CPU usage) for this? How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:04:00 - [36] well, I want to do it because it is a good excuse to buy new hardware. Its a tax write-off for me, and it will be a showcase for a product i sell. on top of all that it does contribute slightly toward a worthwile scientific cause.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Master Blade in the case of a simple client running in background on most late model computers, you would notice next to no increase in power consumption and over the course of an expected 3 year lifetime, no aditional wear. That's completely wrong. Modern CPUs power down parts of the CPU cores dynamically based on utilization, so even one busy core doing nothing but SSE/MMX that would otherwise do nothing at all, will have a noticeable effect on your power bill. A typical desktop PC with e.g. 4 cores will often double its electricity usage if you keep just 1 core busy permanently, e.g. the CPU will use ~20W mostly idle = typical desktop user browsing the web etc. and an additional 20-30W just for 1 busy core with SETI etc.. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:39:00 - [38] yah, about a buck a day....nothing
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Master Blade the excitement of building powerful computers and actually being able to use them to thier fullest potential isnt something you want to do, then that would be a reason not to fold. What does the excitement of building (or buying) them have to do with it? I find it pointless to use a computer that way, I might just as well run burnMMX on one core for kicks. The point of powerful computers is to have the power when you need it, not to waste it when you don't. Just like with cars. Or do you attempt to drive at 250Km/h all the time because your car can do it? How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:05:00 - [40] People's personal motivation makes no difference to the quality of science produced. Each one of us, for whatever reason, is making a small contribution to projects that some of us believe have genuine merit, and we think it's worth the cost. That's a little more productive than running burnMMX. If you're sceptical, I suggest you have a look at some of the papers that have been produced as a result of the projects run via folding@home. There are links on the first page of this thread. Wear and tear are mitigated if your PC is adequately cooled and regularly cleared of dust. The extra energy costs depend very much on the hardware you have and the price you pay for your electricity, but are not generally substantial, and you can, in theory, negate some of your other fuel expenses if you keep the PC in a room with thermostatic heating. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
helmeo Caldari Redwaffe	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:24:00 - [41] muhaha, i am moving on up, running this on graphics card is pretty awesome.
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Pan Crastus Just like with cars. Or do you attempt to drive at 250Km/h all the time because your car can do it? If my hobbies included building very specialized automobiles for high speed, then I absolutly would keep it at a track and drive it as fast as i posably could every chance available
Derik Wildstar	Posted - 2011.01.19 06:14:00 - [43] Yay for trolls keeping us on the frontpage!!! Thanks for the help and extra notice we will hopefully get. To your troll... each their own this a project that I find worthwhile, I may never see, understand, or gain direct benefit from it but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone. Added bonus keeps the karma shark at bay Cheers and thanks again.
NeoShocker Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.20 07:01:00 - [44] Been contributing :) Up 40k. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.20 23:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Derik Wildstar but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone yup, your local electricity provider. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Derik Wildstar	Posted - 2011.01.21 00:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Derik Wildstar but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone yup, your local electricity provider. Well I wouldn't want them going out of business then I couldn't fold anymore .... I suppose your right I will purchase additional gpu's to fold more to increase my electricity bill to support the employees of the utility company. Oh snap trickle down theory I just helped the coal miners since they will have to mine more, helped the doctors who have to treat them for black lung, the insurance companies as they raise rates to offset the cost of insuring coal miners, the tree hugging hippie agenda as they scream for carbon balancing.... can't believe I didn't realize this sooner I'm saving the world and increasing the quality of life for thousands of people... I am going to sleep well tonight!!!
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:21:00 - [47] lol, Pan. what happened? someone from the folding comunity sleep with your wife? why all the negativity?
Derik Wildstar	Posted - 2011.01.24 02:29:00 - [48] So... just got home and I see this on our stats page... DuramaxDiesels -11 189,114 -220,634 01.24.11, 4pm / 20.6 Hours we are getting passed by diesel truck enthusiasts that also fold Apparently the local sample I've been exposed to was not representative of the group as whole but I'm having difficulty picturing Bubba, Billy, and Buck in their country getup, discussing the best way to skin a varmit, how their baccer crop is fairing this year, and blowing out my eardrums as they gun the light in a hurry to get home to check on their folding clients. I'm guilty of stereotyping and cultural profiling apparently and need to go pay my dues to the karma shark.
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.24 05:00:00 - [49] interesting, the diesel team is about the same size as us with 10 members doing over 10k ppd. not sure how folding 'deliverance' style works but they seem to be pulling it off so have we ever gotten any intrest from ccp regarding this project? Im sure if they kicked in a node or 2 we could regain our status over the banjo playing element. doing a little reserch and it seems that the sr-2 is considered to be one of the ultimate single rig machines for folding. looking forward to starting my build. saw a guy getting over 200k ppd on an sr-2 with 8 gpu's
Derik Wildstar	Posted - 2011.01.24 05:25:00 - [50] Edited by: Derik Wildstar on 24/01/2011 05:29:54 edit: CCP, never asked but I doubt they would be willing to spare any time lest they invoke the rage of their denizens. Might look at advertising in EON not sure how that works or ingame having an event/tourney or something to drum up new folders. Originally by: Master Blade doing a little reserch and it seems that the sr-2 is considered to be one of the ultimate single rig machines for folding. looking forward to starting my build. saw a guy getting over 200k ppd on an sr-2 with 8 gpu's Lol I think your going to spend alot of cash, board was running around $600, no idea what the xeons that go in it cost, then naturally your going to fill it to brimming over with GTX 580s ($500x8) , prolly need some water cooling, a wall of PSU's to drive it, and several 20amp breakers just to turn it on We expect a build log with lots of sexy pictures... I keep teasing defiler I'm going to add another GTX 470 on my end but I'm "that guy" everyone brings their comps and parts to when they don't want them so I've cobbled together a decent mobo with 2 x16 slots, an old dual core cpu, and some junk memory... have it on burn in now to test it out.... let it run for a week or two and if it stays stable I might have to run up a bill with newegg for a pair of gtx570's.... going to have to do a little house wiring and bring a fresh 20amp plug out. I often wonder what the thermal image of my house looks like from one of those drug choppers.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.24 06:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Master Blade lol, Pan. what happened? someone from the folding comunity sleep with your wife? why all the negativity? Impressive line of argument there, you almost convinced me! Seriously, how hard is it to grasp the notion of millions(?) of people increasing their electricity consumption stupidly, who would instantly stop doing that if they ever calculated the amount of money it costs them and thought about whether it's actually worth it? It was kinda fun with the DES Challenges and distributed.net (even I participated, back then idle time wasn't saving you much energy though) and after that just stupid with SETI, Folding@Home etc. ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.24 06:46:00 - [52] Edited by: Master Blade on 24/01/2011 06:50:33 you still here pan? how bout you make yourself usefull and post with your main so I can see how many points per minute I get while podding your ass edit: I 'get' what your saying although i feel you are just trolling at this point. If you look at my responses to your questions, you will notice that I have a differant opinion. anyway, yah, i will def post a build log when I get around to buying the components. will be fun.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.24 08:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Master Blade Edited by: Master Blade on 24/01/2011 06:50:33 you still here pan? how bout you make yourself usefull and post with your main so I can see how many points per minute I get while podding your ass Is this a silly attempt to troll me into posting with my "main" just because your PVP track record with "Master Blade" is unimpressive? Try harder. Quote: edit: I 'get' what your saying although i feel you are just trolling at this point. Nope, I made a perfectly valid point and since you "get" it, you might as well have refrained from trying to counter it with dumb ad hominem attacks. My only reason for posting was to correct the wrong opinion that such background tasks that use "spare" CPU cycles are essentially "free". They are not and it probably better to donate the extra money you'd spend on the electricity bill to some better cause (and skip the CO2 emission too). That's all and yes, you are entitled to your opinion as well. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.24 08:44:00 - [54] way to avoid the guantlet ive thrown down, lol. no one ever said anything was free. if you bother to notice, I have stated that I enjoy spending money on things related to my hobbies. I simply could not care less about the impact of burning(in my case) an extra 2k watts or so will make as opposed to the benafit it gives me personaly spread over the variety of reasons i like to participate. but on the other hand, I could spend the money on hookers in vegas. that would also be entertaining.
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.24 09:10:00 - [55] hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel. 1v1, winner reserves the right to post his opinion in this thread. loser loses that right. rules: bring whatever alt you feel has an advantage. no meta-gaming with repping alts or anything construed as something other than 1v1. you can add to the terms if you like. location and other terms tbd upon acceptance. your move
defiler Mad Hermit Wayward Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.24 15:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Master Blade hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel. 1v1, winner reserves the right to post his opinion in this thread. loser loses that right. Can't stop picturing you two in an old-fashioned gentleman's duel now. Fancy ships (faction?), only ammo for one volley and HP gimped enough that a decent hit will be a kill. You fly, say, two MWD cycles away from each other, come to a complete stop and fire. (notify) Lurking Device II is already ForumLurking.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.01.24 16:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Master Blade hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel. rules: bring whatever alt you feel has an advantage. no meta-gaming with repping alts or anything construed as something other than 1v1. Cute, a rock-paper-scissors duel. But no, since it's just a matter of investing enough ISK (you like wasting money/ISK, right?). How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Master Blade	Posted - 2011.01.24 19:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Pan Crastus a rock-paper-scissors duel. [/quote ok I accept. please post rules so I can be assured you wont cheat. But seriously...if you need a little isk....just ask, I may try to help a fellow eve player out who needs a little charity.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.01.24 20:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Pan Crastus My only reason for posting was to correct the wrong opinion that such background tasks that use "spare" CPU cycles are essentially "free". They are not and it probably better to donate the extra money you'd spend on the electricity bill to some better cause (and skip the CO2 emission too). Idle cycles are free only in the sense that as long as a task doesn't hog significant amounts of any other system resources, it won't prevent you from running any other applications. Originally by: Pan Crastus Seriously, how hard is it to grasp the notion of millions(?) of people increasing their electricity consumption stupidly, who would instantly stop doing that if they ever calculated the amount of money it costs them and thought about whether it's actually worth it? It was kinda fun with the DES Challenges and distributed.net (even I participated, back then idle time wasn't saving you much energy though) and after that just stupid with SETI, Folding@Home etc. ... If you want to attempt such a calculation, I suggest you start here. Looking at some of the numbers, it would appear that quite a few people have followed your line of thought on the matter - out of all the processors that have made contributions over the lifetime of the project, only about 10% are currently active. This is a misleading figure on its own, however, due to the rather skewed cumulative distribution of f@h output per user - a small fraction of users and teams account for a highly disproportionate share of the total points value of work completed, which is (roughly) proportional to the amount of power consumed. I suspect that within the top 20% or so of contributors, there is a much higher level of awareness of the associated costs than there is elsewhere. People have gone to some lengths to devise appropriate metrics for building dedicated folding machines, and to work out which components provide the corresponding optimal returns. Currently, I understand that the ideal machine in terms of (points per day) / (cost over 3 years inc. power) is held to be some sort of dual socket server equipped with a very efficent pair of multi-core Xeon CPUs. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2011.01.24 20:57:00 - [60] just pushes up your electricity bill and wears out your pc for no reason other than the minute advancement of some long schemed science project

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